Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Nas92]

>but as it affects party members wouldn't they only be effective in very specific situations?
>Glitterdust seems to me like something that has more of a chance to fuck my party up than any enemy.
Not really. I don't know if you're playing in TB or RTwP. But you can micro your spell caster in a way where the spell doesn't affect allies. It's easy. Hold ctrl then free aim the AoE on the enemies but away from allies.

I had no idea free aim was possible, just tried it out. Certain spells don't seem to allow it, though.

>I'm playing a Sorcerer (Earth bloodline, Evocation focus, primarily meant to be a ranged damage dealer)
>I'm really paranoid about accidentally picking shitty spells
You can always multi class into Arcane Trickster then focus on spells that do touch AC. Also, what's your build looking like so far?

Just pure Sorcerer, level 4. I have all the necessary feats to be a ranged spellcaster (precise shot, point blank shot, greater spell focus evocation). Spells: Magic Missle, Sleep, Grease, Burning Hands (acid), Burning Arc.
Attributes: Str 11, Dex 14 Con 12 Int 12 Wis 12 Cha 20 (originally 19, +1 at lvl4)

 

[Pink Eye]

Looks like you know what you're doing. In regards to early spells, I suggest trying out color spray. It can carry you through chapter 1.

 

[oldmanpaco]

Looks like you know what you're doing. In regards to early spells, I suggest trying out color spray. It can carry you through chapter 1.

Bah all you need is Daze!

 

[Pink Eye]

Daze is good. The problem is that you forget it exists after the prologue, lol.

 

[smaug]

When I played on Hard, the only spell that worked in the beginning was Grease.

 

[Desiderius]

The portrait selection fucking sucks. Only 1 dwarf portrait and 0 monk ones.

There is an easy to find mod that has outstanding portraits for any combination.

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I tried looking at mods but didn't find any portraits for a chad dwarf monk unfortunately.

 

[Desiderius]

I didn't remember the Giant Centepede in Old Sycamore being that difficult. You get lots of indications something bad is near, so I was able to scout it. I used that spell recall feature to re-memorize the Level 2 Delay Poison. Centepedes may be immune to prone (Grease), but they are not immune to Web. Wands and scrolls also really help out in tough fights, especially early on. Kingmaker is generous with them.

Web doesn't do much. Blind is your all purpose condition.

 

[Desiderius]

Crossed out means ineligible for spell. Daze can only target humanoids.

 

[RK47]

Is it feasible to convert the Undead Elf into a tank?
If so, what multiclass should I go for?

 

[Bara]

So with patch 2.1 is anyone running the game with Call of the Wild on and if how is it running?

Gamebreaking bugs or still fully functional?

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Nas92 Enabling free aim permanently in the settings. Impossible to play a mage properly without it. As an Earth Bloodline sorcerer, you'll want to focus on Evocation & Conjuration almost exclusively. You'll get all the CC you really need from those, and they'll make the best use out of your damage oriented bloodline. Increase the DC of those schools with Spell Focus feats and in particular, Elemental Focus. A clean +4 DC is very helpful.

 

[oldmanpaco]

Is it feasible to convert the Undead Elf into a tank?
If so, what multiclass should I go for?

Lot of people use 2H fighter (Wish I had). Only need a few levels though. Her and Val are the two best NPCs.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

RK47 Very. I did for my first play-through, though I don't recommend it. The only time it comes in useful is when you're mid-level and mid-way through the game facing undead. The fear immunity is useful though. Otherwise, her undead status is a chore because she doesn't benefit from your party's healing mechanisms. I made her as a sword and board cleric so I could memorize buffs and some infrequent support/emergency spells, then convert them to inflict spells to heal herself if they weren't needed. I took selective channel, which heals her when she damages enemies with it--not sure if that's an intended feature. Even still, not optimal. I imagine she would make a good Freebooter or Eldritch Scion. The later could be pretty tank'ish while healing with Vampiric Touch.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

I didn't remember the Giant Centepede in Old Sycamore being that difficult. You get lots of indications something bad is near, so I was able to scout it. I used that spell recall feature to re-memorize the Level 2 Delay Poison. Centepedes may be immune to prone (Grease), but they are not immune to Web. Wands and scrolls also really help out in tough fights, especially early on. Kingmaker is generous with them.

Web doesn't do much. Blind is your all purpose condition.

Blindness is a great condition, but you must know your enemies. Great against Fey since it targets Fortitude, not great against large brutish monsters which abound in Kingmaker. Web targets reflex, which is typically effective against that type. Web also functions as difficult terrain. Since all characters should have a ranged weapon, plopping a web between you and a distant enemy can give you lots of time to whittle large opponents down, congregate a mass for AoE, or funnel of a horde so you can aggro them to your desired tank. Having that tank march around the periphery of the spell, while the rest of your troupe assails the enemies with arrows and spells will allow a team to overcome odds they wouldn't normally.

 

[LannTheStupid]

Is it feasible to convert the Undead Elf into a tank?

For which difficulty?

 

[RK47]

Challenging

 

[Haplo]

I didn't remember the Giant Centepede in Old Sycamore being that difficult. You get lots of indications something bad is near, so I was able to scout it. I used that spell recall feature to re-memorize the Level 2 Delay Poison. Centepedes may be immune to prone (Grease), but they are not immune to Web. Wands and scrolls also really help out in tough fights, especially early on. Kingmaker is generous with them.

Web doesn't do much. Blind is your all purpose condition.

Blindness is a great condition, but you must know your enemies. Great against Fey since it targets Fortitude, not great against large brutish monsters which abound in Kingmaker. Web targets reflex, which is typically effective against that type. Web also functions as difficult terrain. Since all characters should have a ranged weapon, plopping a web between you and a distant enemy can give you lots of time to whittle large opponents down, congregate a mass for AoE, or funnel of a horde so you can aggro them to your desired tank. Having that tank march around the periphery of the spell, while the rest of your troupe assails the enemies with arrows and spells will allow a team to overcome odds they wouldn't normally.

Necromancy Blind is Fortitude, which indeed isn't great against many nasty enemies. Also its single target, I believe.

But Glitterdust is aoe AND the save is Will based! Perfect to handle nearly all animals/beasts and large brutes, such as trolls. Also most non-caster humanoids.

Grease has been rightfully mentioned a lot. Create Pit and its upgrades is another great spell/encounter solver (Reflex). Chains of Light is a boss killer (Reflex).
So yeah, better get that Greater Spell Focus: Conjuration ASAP.
Phantasmal Web is nifty vs enemies susceptible to mind effects (Will).

Edit: Forgot Stinking Cloud. That is damn strong also (Fortitude).

 

[Yosharian]

I don't have a spell list for an Evocation specialist but I do have one for my Conjuration/Necromancy caster, maybe you'll find it useful:

1st: Grease, Mage Armor, Expeditious Retreat, Enlarge Person, Reduce Person
2nd: Glitterdust, Web, Mirror Image, Invisibility, Blur
3rd: Haste, Displacement, Stinking Cloud, Communal Resist Energy
4th: Greater Invisibility, Animate Dead, Greater False Life, Dimension Door
5th: Animal Growth, Icy Prison, Phantasmal Web, Cloudkill
6th: Chains of Light, Sirocco, Undeath to Death
7th: Legendary Proportions, Waves of Exhaustion, Finger of Death
8th: Seamantle, Protection From Spells, Frightful Aspect
9th: Wail of the Banshee, Fiery Body, Mass Icy Prison

However I haven't updated it in a while and it's possible some of these might get replaced by the pit spells

 

[Xamenos]

I didn't remember the Giant Centepede in Old Sycamore being that difficult. You get lots of indications something bad is near, so I was able to scout it. I used that spell recall feature to re-memorize the Level 2 Delay Poison. Centepedes may be immune to prone (Grease), but they are not immune to Web. Wands and scrolls also really help out in tough fights, especially early on. Kingmaker is generous with them.

Web doesn't do much. Blind is your all purpose condition.

Web locks opponents in place so you can murder their friends in peace and then shoot them from afar. It might be useless against ranged opponents, but it takes melee ones out of the fight. It has its uses. Not every centipede is a spitter.

 

[Sentinel]

I had my barbarian prone next to a stunned enemy bandit in threaten range. I got up, but he immediately killed the barbarian with an attack of opportunity. Is stun not supposed to prevent him from doing that?
Another thing: the Owlbear was in threaten range of the Stag Lord, who was using his gay bow. He fired 3 shots, which triggered 0 attacks of opportunity. Are ranged attacks not supposed to always trigger them?

 

[NJClaw]

I had my barbarian prone next to a stunned enemy bandit in threaten range. I got up, but he immediately killed the barbarian with an attack of opportunity. Is stun not supposed to prevent him from doing that?

Yeah, that shouldn't happen.

Another thing: the Owlbear was in threaten range of the Stag Lord, who was using his gay bow. He fired 3 shots, which triggered 0 attacks of opportunity. Are ranged attacks not supposed to always trigger them?

Maybe the owlbear already used up all of its attacks of opportunity, or maybe the Stag Lord has some feat or class features that allows him to avoid attacks of opportunity when shooting in melee. Otherwise, that's a bug.

 

[LannTheStupid]

TheSentinel How do you decide what is in "threaten range" and what is not?

 

[Sentinel]

TheSentinel How do you decide what is in "threaten range" and what is not?

Basically, in this case, two characters being engaged in melee combat. In-game it's represented by the dotted lines when you hover over enemies.
Moving within a certain range of a character (maybe the range is the weapon's attack distance? I'm not sure) will also enter its threaten range. So if you charge past another melee combatant, you'll trigger an AoO (the charge line turns red at the spot where you'll be attacked).

 

[NJClaw]

TheSentinel How do you decide what is in "threaten range" and what is not?

I guess he was attacking the enemy in melee from a certain position, so he expects to be able to also execute attacks of opportunity against him from that same spot.

In PnP it's a bit different, but I don't think PnP fringe cases for AoOs are implemented in Kingmaker.

 

[Pink Eye]

Is it feasible to convert the Undead Elf into a tank?
If so, what multiclass should I go for?

Yeah. It's completely fine to turn her into a tank. Lots of ways to go about it, but the most straight forward way is base fighter. Base fighter gets access to advanced fighter feats, weapon training, and armor training. Give her the best heavy armor set you have, and she'll make for a decent tank. If you want her to have more HP. Throw an item that gives bonus CHA on her. Since for undead CHA = HP.

She'll serve you well as a tank. Since you said you're playing on challenging, it will be fine.