Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Yosharian]

I already figured it out pretty much

 

[Desiderius]

Looks like some Spectres and Soul Eaters were added to the color switch tomb (as well as another blue door so you didn’t have to go back and forth with the yellow/green switch).

 

[oldmanpaco]

I already figured it out pretty much

Whats to know? Trad for Punchy Monk and SF for Staffy Monk. The way Pink Eye went on about them you'd think they were the most complicated build the entire game.

 

[Desiderius]

I already figured it out pretty much

Whats to know? Trad for Punchy Monk and SF for Staffy Monk. The way Pink Eye went on about them you'd think they were the most complicated build the entire game.

There is a happy medium between the two of you. The other two options are also quite viable as well.

 

[Yosharian]

Monk monk just doesn't seem to have any good options work giving up strong Will saves for, compared to Trad Monk.

 

[Desiderius]

Monk monk just doesn't seem to have any good options work giving up strong Will saves for, compared to Trad Monk.

It’s only +2. I’d have to look closely but I think a couple of picks the trad monk makes aren’t very good and you miss out on something important?

I’ll check tonight.

 

[Desiderius]

Monk gets nine ki powers of your choice, Trad gets six and most of those are shitty

Trad for splash (on WIS toon), Monk for full

 

[Desiderius]

Full Sensei does things no other class can. I'll get to that later today, but the other Monk options are very viable straight-up in ways that beat your Frankenstein monster build (STR-based SS of course dominant) due the action economy of free Trips, extra attax, and Pounce. The ki powers are... uneven, but if you test them you'll find uses there that are uniquely powerful as well. Spit Venom as no save/resistance Blind at range for instance.

 

[Desiderius]

Okay, Serious_Business, here's the screenshots you requested, whippersnapper:

Grenadier MC using Touch AC to Blind Soul Eaters in Switch Tomb:

Can see Feyspeaker Val's Smilodon working them over in the background. Detail:

Crusader's Edge applying Sicken and doing big extra damage. Snowball from Val, Slow from Linzi. One nice thing about Blindness is that it lets summons do some damage:

Linzi is focused on upping her DC with Enchantments this run:

Curse is from MC Grenadier Bomb. Probably best Bomb in the game. Harrim's Touch of Chaos makes him roll twice and take the worst.

This is a negative save on Unfair:

Not something you see everyday. Here's a recipe on the Bulette map (Blood Furrows) that it is easy to miss.

The Defaced Sister Barb Camp fight on Unfair. Got hit exactly once. No stats drained.

Here's the once. Turnabout is fair play:

Fight was made for CleaveBooter. Rare appearance of Forest Knight's Bracers (looks like I forgot to cast Good Hope again)

Tristian and Linzi cleaning up after the fight is in hand:

All that spam from Val is Cave Fangs which does a nice job slowing everybody down and getting a lot of free AoOs.

 

[Desiderius]

Funny x 1
The Great ThunThun

Fextralife-release-day-level take noted.

 

[John Keel]

I just got the joyous news that Pink Eye left the Codex... anyone knows why?

AFAIK he did not leave, mighty DU Self-ejected him (see site feedback thread @ kalin)

LannTheStupid You are a retard, we have access to 99% of the code, just shut the fuck up

 

[LannTheStupid]

When old men are storming Owlcat datacentres...

 

[Desiderius]

Funny x 1
The Great ThunThun

Fextralife-release-day-level take noted.

hey! I remember you. Aren't you the same idiot who said that Dex Magi are the only way to go? I see you changed your stance. I wonder if you even played the build I am talking about.

No

 

[The_Mask]

Question 1: Does anyone know what exactly the Silverstep region upgrade "Jewelry Center" does?

Q2: I'm thinking of playing a Thundercaller bard. Is there any class or ability that can influence the weather?

 

[RK47]

I'd just roll a druid.

 

[Yosharian]

No, it is NOT merely +2. I've tested it - the in-game save progression chart is wrong (big fucking surprise). The Traditional Monk gets strong Will saves which ends up being a significant difference later on (and the build is pure monk). The ki powers are mostly bad, only the one that gives you a speed boost and the shout one are any good from what I can see, and I'd rather have faster access to the better powers and strong Will saves.

 

[Yosharian]

And as far as I can see, Trad Monk also gets full BAB progression which is bizarre but is another feather in its cap

 

[Sarathiour]

Question 1: Does anyone know what exactly the Silverstep region upgrade "Jewelry Center" does?

Q2: I'm thinking of playing a Thundercaller bard. Is there any class or ability that can influence the weather?

Q1: Nothing, it's for larping purpose

Q2: Apart from call ligthing, nothing in the base game. You can change the weather with bag of trick, so i guess there is either a mod, or the possibility to larp it yourself.

 

[Desiderius]

Question 1: Does anyone know what exactly the Silverstep region upgrade "Jewelry Center" does?

Q2: I'm thinking of playing a Thundercaller bard. Is there any class or ability that can influence the weather?

Q1: Nothing, it's for larping purpose

Q2: Apart from call ligthing, nothing in the base game. You can change the weather with bag of trick, so i guess there is either a mod, or the possibility to larp it yourself.

Q1: Do you have confirmation from the code?

I’ve always gotten it and the artisan masterpiece shortly thereafter.

 

[Desiderius]

And as far as I can see, Trad Monk also gets full BAB progression which is bizarre but is another feather in its cap

Another reminder that Yosh has some gaps in his knowledge. All Monks get full BAB. Unlike Rogue for instance, Thun.

I’ll test the saves as well but since you’re a WIS-based class Will saves shouldn’t be that big of a problem.

Ki power full Barkskin lasts forever and beats any equipment. True Strike will guarantee landing a CM (try Dirty Trick on Hargulka), Disease Immunity is a unique effect in the game and essential against the hardest foe (Ghost Mage), and Spit Venom is ranged no save, no resistance Blind.

If you think those suck you suck.

 

[Technomancer]

Desiderius can you confirm that for me:

Your number of sneak attack dice cannot exceed half your character level (rounded up).

It means that its capped in-game and I can go only as high as 10d6 at level 20?

 

[Sarathiour]

Q1: Do you have confirmation from the code?

I’ve always gotten it and the artisan masterpiece shortly thereafter.

Nope, but from what i gathered, there is a lot of rule regarding masterpiece : they are tied to many factor ( kingdom rank, quest , time, god know what ...) . Also, it seems that only one masterpieces can be in production at any given time in the total pool of artisan . Only once the one who was "crafting" it deliver it to you, can another artisan attempt to craft his own masterpiece.

Edit: checked the save of my previous playtrough, did jewelry center, but i did not received mim's masterpiece. Well, we all know that kingdom management is very unpolished, so who know if it's a bug or a feature.

 

[Doktor Best]

So will i lose out if i set kingdom management to auto? I'm growing tired of it. It will only do the 4x layer for me and i will still get to talk to the envoys and give my rulings, right?

 

[Desiderius]

Q1: Do you have confirmation from the code?

I’ve always gotten it and the artisan masterpiece shortly thereafter.

Nope, but from what i gathered, there is a lot of rule regarding masterpiece : they are tied to many factor ( kingdom rank, quest , time, god know what ...) . Also, it seems that only one masterpieces can be in production at any given time in the total pool of artisan . Only once the one who was "crafting" it deliver it to you, can another artisan attempt to craft his own masterpiece.

Edit: checked the save of my previous playtrough, did jewelry center, but i did not received mim's masterpiece. Well, we all know that kingdom management is very unpolished, so who know if it's a bug or a feature.

I had all MPs by ch 6 last playthrough, so doubt the simultaneous rule applied.

 

[Desiderius]

So will i lose out if i set kingdom management to auto? I'm growing tired of it. It will only do the 4x layer for me and i will still get to talk to the envoys and give my rulings, right?

You’ll lose out on all the benefits, which are substantial. One I got the hang of it it was my favorite part.