Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Dishonoredbr]

Just got Wildcards. Think gonna hold buying the rest..

especially if you’re planning on just one playthrough.

I'm planning in make a Tiefling character after..But i still early on my first one lol. Hopefully Tieflings are avaiable from the start next game.

Btw Smiloodon or Leopard ? Both seems pretty nuts for a ranger.

 

[Xamenos]

Is any of the DLC worth getting?
I thinking about the Tiefling Girl DLC because i dig Tiefling (maybe even reset my save just to play as one) and it's pretty cheap but the rest looks pretty meh.

Wildcards is mandatory imho. Kineticist is a great class and the tiefling sisters are great companions and the best romance in the game.
Varnhold's Lot is very optional. It's a side mini campaign with a whole new party that shows you what happens at a neighbouring barony during the main campaign's chapter 3. It also adds some items and a small dungeon to the main campaign connected to those events.
Beneath the Stolen Lands's worth is not so clear cut. It adds a roguelike mode that's useful if you want to mess around with custom parties. I never bothered with it though. It also adds a huge dungeon in the main campaign that had nifty loot, some decent challenge and perhaps the best boss fight in the game. Up to you whether you care about either.

edit: Smilodon is better than Leopard and arguably the best animal companion in the game.

 

[The_Mask]

Btw Smiloodon or Leopard ? Both seems pretty nuts for a ranger.

Each pet offers a specific advantage, as far as I can tell. Haven't tried all of them to know. Maybe someone else here can expand on my post, but...

Cats are usually about lots of hits. The elephants are about range and trampling (my favourite). The bear seems to be meta-gaming where you're going druid, and are using a scimitar.

 

[Desiderius]

That’s not a very ambitious meta game.

Smilodon is probably a little too good. Leopard is a nice balance.

 

[bec de corbin]

Is any of the DLC worth getting?
I thinking about the Tiefling Girl DLC because i dig Tiefling (maybe even reset my save just to play as one) and it's pretty cheap but the rest looks pretty meh.

Wildcards is good, but the other ones aren't really necessary unless you've already played through the game and want more. And don't forget to grab the free dlc, it adds a few new spells

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Thanks for the info guys.

Gonna stick with Wildcards until my , probably , second playthought. The other two sounds more like something like would be better for second time playing.

 

[Nano]

Pretty sure the game comes packaged with all of the paid DLCs since the Definitive update, no? Only ones you have to install separately are Arcane Unleashed and Bloody Mess.

 

[Trashos]

I am mostly a power gamer myself. Not in skill, but in attitude. A wannabe power gamer, so to speak.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Pretty sure the game comes packaged with all of the paid DLCs since the Definitive update, no? Only ones you have to install separately are Arcane Unleashed and Bloody Mess.

I couldn't find the definitive edition on PC, only the Enhanced Editon that doesn't come with all paid DLC. I think Definitive Editon is console exclusive or some bs.

Anyway. Hyped to get home , install the dlc and get my pet then smash some tiefling sisters.

 

[Alienman]

We’re not power gamers either but a lot of us restarted so many times before we got to Pitax that we felt like pros before we got there.

What is the one annoying skill? Are you talking about the rat room?

No, the hill top thingy, that got trivialized with the right kind of spell!

I know I'm ranting is all over the place, but my point more or less was - I find it a bit immersion shattering that this one human guy is 10 times stronger than any one of my team. While I have nothing against monsters being strong as hell, since they are monsters, but these random dudes that (at least what I know) don't have any lore to them being this damn strong. That is why I feel high level d&d feels a bit off, you have basically reached god tier and at this level so monsters and daemons should be your go to - not some random military guy that could solo Armags tomb if he wanted to

Well, at least I'm fighting a shit ton of weird fey creatures now, so the level suits the settings I guess (now if I wouldn't get cursed, stunned and paralyzed after each battle ).

 

[Desiderius]

We have no idea who you're talking about and haven't experienced anyone like that. There is no human guy ten times stronger than your team.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Definitive Editon is console exclusive or some bs.

Version 2.0+ is considered Enhanced Edition+ on the PC and if you have all the DLC it will be the same as Definitive Ed. on the cucksoles.

 

[Alienman]

We have no idea who you're talking about and haven't experienced anyone like that. There is no human guy ten times stronger than your team.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...the_city_guard_in_pitax_have_apparently_been/

This guy.

 

[smaug]

Level 8, ran into Primal Hydra and 3 Nixies plus lots of mounds. Managed to spam glitterdust and faerie fire to murder hydra then killed the rest, hard but worth the EXP.

Took a couple reloads.

 

[Desiderius]

We have no idea who you're talking about and haven't experienced anyone like that. There is no human guy ten times stronger than your team.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...the_city_guard_in_pitax_have_apparently_been/

This guy.

Was almost back there but switching to wrath alpha for survey. There are trolls and zombies in previous chapters that can hit harder than that on Unfair but if that isn't Unfair sounds like they added a new boss. Haplo has pics of himself doing 1,000 damage with one hit so it's about time the mobs got in on the act.

 

[RK47]

Octavia dancing for the boners by the campsite

 

[Cyberarmy]

We have no idea who you're talking about and haven't experienced anyone like that. There is no human guy ten times stronger than your team.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...the_city_guard_in_pitax_have_apparently_been/

This guy.

This is a normal crit from a two handed fighter though? Rookie numbers.

 

[Haplo]

We have no idea who you're talking about and haven't experienced anyone like that. There is no human guy ten times stronger than your team.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder...the_city_guard_in_pitax_have_apparently_been/

This guy.

This is a normal crit from a two handed fighter though? Rookie numbers.

I'd say fair game.
"Normal" crit?

...well, not quite. Using Perfect Strike and Perfect Critical. Still nice.

 

[Haplo]

That’s not a very ambitious meta game.

Smilodon is probably a little too good. Leopard is a nice balance.

Wolf/dog is interesting if you like tripping. A late bloomer, though. All his bites attempt trips... and he apparently eventually gets iterative bites...

 

[Trashos]

I have discussed here before that one theme in this game is "What does one story matter"? The main evidence I used to reach this conclusion were the Storyteller, Shaynih'a, Linzi's quest/book, and possibly King Lantern himself. Those are occasions where this theme comes to the forefront and is pretty obvious (especially in the first 3 cases, King Lantern is debatable, I guess).

I am going through Ch5 right now, and Linzi just confronted Eobald (her teacher) about the "omissions" in his story. Linzi said something like "You always told me that the world is not made of things -it is made of stories". Pretty powerful line for a bard to say, isn't it?

In light of this new evidence, I am upgrading this theme ("What does one story matter?" or, in the game's own words, "The world is not made of things -it is made of stories") to a main theme in this game, along with the other main theme of "How to be a king". I have talked ITT about dozens of themes in this game, but I believe that these two themes are the heart and the skeleton of the whole thing.

 

[Desiderius]

Pretty sure the loyalty/mercy theme is pretty central. Going both ways as in Lantern King Nyrissa.

To some extent reducible to tit for tat/Prisoner’s Dilemma but not entirely.

 

[Trashos]

Pretty sure the loyalty/mercy theme is pretty central. Going both ways as in Lantern King Nyrissa.
To some extent reducible to tit for tat/Prisoner’s Dilemma but not entirely.

Agreed, but I'd put those right under the "How to be a King" theme. So, as far as I am concerned, mercy and loyalty are two prominent subthemes -maybe the two most prominent subthemes- but still subthemes.

 

[LannTheStupid]

"How to be a King"

1. Kill all disloyal subjects.
2. Kill all the subjects who do not like (1).
3. If there are not enough peasants, raise some of the dead as undead farmers.

 

[Desiderius]

"How to be a King"

1. Kill all disloyal subjects.
2. Kill all the subjects who do not like (1).
3. If there are not enough peasants, raise some of the dead as undead farmers.

4. Pine impotently after the superior valor of the lowliest squire in the armies of LG who fights for his progeny and legacy rather than vain immortality and thus is not subject to the venal cowardice of the lackeys of evil overlords.

 

[Xamenos]

I agree the influence of stories, as well as mercy/forgiveness (and the loyalty it inspires) are the game's major themes. You can see one or the other in almost all parts of the main quest, the companion quests (all of which require mercy/forgiveness for the best outcomes), and most of the more involved sidequests. The game practically beats you over the head with it.

I don't really see "how to be a king" as a major theme though. It's there, but it's not fleshed out enough to qualify.