Pathfinder Pathfinder: Kingmaker - Enhanced Plus Edition - now with turn-based combat

[Desiderius]

By the time you get Horrid Wilting you have several other options (none good against that particular foe!) of course, but again back to the original question.

“Play a Wizard” is in fact bad advice for a new player and for exactly the reasons outlined. It is entirely on point and Faarbaute projecting his own personal hang-ups onto it is out of place and counterproductive.

Ive grown to love playing Wizards, especially non-ATs, but they’re the worst for new players because they exacerbate the difficulty of adjusting to what makes P:K different from the games they are used to.

 

[Swole dude]

Thank you for the suggestions bros. Also please no in-fighting, this a peaceful thread and frankly this is unbecoming. Have some class.

That is all.

EDIT: is sorcerer good? Never played one before.

 

[The_Mask]

Also please no in-fighting

Don't tell me what to do! If you piss me off, I'll make Octavia an Alchemist, just to equip Gear's Rule.

Watch'a gonna say about THAT Desiderius?!? Huh?!? Lvl 20 Octavia that can run all map without stopping > all builds.

Come at me, bruh!

 

[Desiderius]

Yes. Try a Sylvan Sorc first time.

 

[Desiderius]

Thank you for the suggestions bros. Also please no in-fighting, this a peaceful thread and frankly this is unbecoming. Have some class.

That is all.

EDIT: is sorcerer good? Never played one before.

Classy men fight all the time. Class is about not holding a grudge not lacking the vigor to ever get one up in the first place.

Read this:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/7190.The_Three_Musketeers

 

[Nano]

Owlcat not bothering to have a full arcane caster NPC is probably due to them realizing how melee-heavy their campaign is.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Owlcat not bothering to have a full arcane caster NPC is probably due to them realizing how melee-heavy their campaign is.

Being able to select your companion's class when recruited from a short thematically-fitting list would have solved a lot of issues.

 

[Desiderius]

You have more options in P:K than Deadfire by a good bit. Most of the splashes you end up with when you do this turn out decent or better (as with Amiri’s Barb level or ten on Freebooter).

Y’all are fixated on Octavia because you like to bitch but her Wiz level ends up being one of the few truly dead ones.

Deadfire is no slouch either - they both are in the happy medium that Wrath hasn’t found yet.

 

[Desiderius]

Owlcat not bothering to have a full arcane caster NPC is probably due to them realizing how melee-heavy their campaign is.

It’s not necessarily melee heavy once you figure out what you’re doing and the decision to make Octavia AT was about action economy not about “not bothering.”

 

[Shadenuat]

EDIT: is sorcerer good? Never played one before.

if you like having a selection of 1-2 spells which are also lower level sure

her Wiz level ends up being one of the few truly dead ones

you're disgusting.

 

[Yosharian]

Being able to select your companion's class when recruited from a short thematically-fitting list would have solved a lot of issues.

 

[Yosharian]

Hello guys.

I played this game a while but my save files were corrupted so I couldn't finish it. Looking to get back into it.

What is the best class for your player character? Any suggestions would be great.

What are the most fun classes to play with?

There's some builds in the link that's in my signature

 

[Shadenuat]

“Play a Wizard” is in fact bad advice for a new player

^this is how I learned to play and so will they.

 

[Desiderius]

R4 are the best levels in the game for DEX melee. You get it all. You can go Saint or EK or even AT10/Wiz6 from there.

But unless you do the latter all that Wiz level is giving you is an Enhancement (non stacking) bonus to a stat and a couple Mage Armors or True Strikes. You’re right, not completely dead.

 

[Shadenuat]

are you trying to make me melt like a witch in wizard of Oz or something, because it is beginning to work.

Owlcat not bothering to have a full arcane caster NPC is probably due to them realizing how melee-heavy their campaign is.

Wrath has 2 both built in some ass backwards way and it's more unfriendly to caster than PKM ever was

 

[Haplo]

Not completely. AT is as much about viable (I.e. idiot-proof) non-spell action economy as it is nuking. The other way for Wiz to get that is a shape spell when you run out of your other ones and the Finesse and Sneak helps there even for non-AT.

That’s important in a setting with limited rest. People who waste a slot on a pure tank and another on a pure healer need the damage.

I’ve found if I just want her nuking I go R4 melee and unleash the cones or R4 Gish with Sword Saint or EK if I don’t need the casting at all.

I'm not saying she's not a good character. She very much is, and pretty idiot-proof as you said. All I'm saying is she's not a full wizard, and cannot do the same job as a full wizard with the same efficiency.

Well, she's the best crowd controller/buffer DnD wizard I've played. Not sure what more you could expect. 1 more caster level? That's really inconsequential compared with what she gains. Incidentally she's also a very effective and fun nuker.

 

[Shadenuat]

but you play sword saints

 

[Xamenos]

Well, she's the best crowd controller/buffer DnD wizard I've played.

In that case, you should play an MC Conjurer 20.

Incidentally she's also a very effective and fun nuker.

I do not dispute that in the least.

 

[Haplo]

Well, she's the best crowd controller/buffer DnD wizard I've played.

In that case, you should play an MC Conjurer 20.

And pray tell, what advantage over Octavia will that bring in CC department?

 

[Haplo]

but you play sword saints

Well, true.
But since I've started using the Turn Based mode, I also started to use the abilities of other characters. Octavia definately was one of the big winners of the Turn Based mode transition.

 

[Xamenos]

And pray tell, what advantage over Octavia will that bring in CC department?

Desiderius spent a few posts explaining the importance of not being a full level behind with your main class features just a few days ago. I expected better of you. But fine, quick example: At L3, a conjurer can cast Web (or Pit uf you prefer). Octavia can't. It's not the only difference, but is that not enough?

 

[Shadenuat]

since I've started using the Turn Based mode, I also started to use the abilities of other characters

woah
nice, slow and steady man.

 

[Haplo]

And pray tell, what advantage over Octavia will that bring in CC department?

Desiderius spent a few posts explaining the importance of not being a full level behind with your main class features just a few days ago. I expected better of you. But fine, quick example: At L3, a conjurer can cast Web (or Pit uf you prefer). Octavia can't. It's not the only difference, but is that not enough?

Don't care about Web. Its too damn annoying. Pit and... Glitterdust - yeah, these are important. Still, I'd expect her to reach level 4 rather soon after recruiting her (party reaches level 5 in Prologue).
With Grease, Glitterdust and Pit, I guess she could help me conquer the entire game, were we stuck at these spell levels for some reason.

 

[Desiderius]

On your MC no reason to restrict yourself, but Octavia covers other bases. It's a wash with the edge to pure Conjuror but not nearly enough to account for all the limpdick hate.

 

[Shadenuat]

there's way more shit than conjuration that serves as a golden key for an encounter x or z.

well nice that Wrath has shit which ignores land effects, immune to poison, and some just straight immune to being flat footed. it would finally make people

just play fighters.