Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[frajaq]

I can't stand people who posit they are "role-playing" and taking Camilia into the party as anything but Neutral Evil/Chaotic Evil. She's insane, sadistic, a cannibal, a possible necrophile, a liar... the list goes on and on. Also, from some datamined dialogue,

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it appears that her redemption path is a red herring, she's faking it all the way, and you'll get a nasty surprise in the endgame/epilogue. Which is why she's so scared shitless of an Aeon.

besides Camilia who can be the Trickery monkey in the party?

 

[Desiderius]

I am having trouble finding Wojif this play through in Chapter 3. The random event with the cultists is not triggering for me and I thot patrolled Camila already.

Anyone know what exactly triggers it?

Pretty sure it’s a location not random and pretty tricky to find SSW of Drezen.

I can't stand people who posit they are "role-playing" and taking Camilia into the party as anything but Neutral Evil/Chaotic Evil. She's insane, sadistic, a cannibal, a possible necrophile, a liar... the list goes on and on. Also, from some datamined dialogue,

Spoiler

it appears that her redemption path is a red herring, she's faking it all the way, and you'll get a nasty surprise in the endgame/epilogue. Which is why she's so scared shitless of an Aeon.

besides Camilia who can be the Trickery monkey in the party?

MC, Wolj



Oops, looks like Nenio better study up fast.

Oh now I remember in Beta you get as many tries as you want.

 

[Percy]

[QUOTE="frajaq, post: 7187411, member: 24388besides Camilia who can be the Trickery monkey in the party?

MC, Wolj



Oops, looks like Nenio better study up fast.

Oh now I remember in Beta you get as many tries as you want.

Some locks get jammed though, so you'll still want to have some one with high trickery.

 

[Shadenuat]

What you expect me to go without Barkskins?

Yes. Principles over buffs.

besides Camilia who can be the Trickery monkey in the party?

Harder to say who cant many of them are high dex. You can turn Nenio into Woljif replacement, she won't be as good but she has a bite attack and can eventually learn a pounce feat.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

I can't stand people who posit they are "role-playing" and taking Camilia into the party as anything but Neutral Evil/Chaotic Evil. She's insane, sadistic, a cannibal, a possible necrophile, a liar... the list goes on and on. Also, from some datamined dialogue,

Spoiler

it appears that her redemption path is a red herring, she's faking it all the way, and you'll get a nasty surprise in the endgame/epilogue. Which is why she's so scared shitless of an Aeon.

Tbf she isn't showing it until Chapter 3 and as you said you can try to redeem her. You can't RP based on leaks, if anything metaknowledge like that is against RP.

Altho tbf she doesn't show any remorse so far even tho you prohibit her from killing. And yeah as Aeon you should know better that one I agree.

12-year-old girl writers can’t resist spilling the beans early. She’s never not a cunt.

Maybe I am looking too much into it but the way she is written I think is intentional. Like I think the direction the writer got for her is "write a femme fatale/vamp like 12 years old would write in his blog". I think her "sadism" is played over the top to become a joke like Harrim "pessimism" is played for a joke as well in Kingmaker.

 

[Efe]

Harrim never sounds out of place as cleric of groetus.
not that i know many but I liked that one

 

[Shadenuat]

It is intentional in a sense that someone intentionally canceled Avellone so noone was there to proofread their shit and an order was probably to "go out on grimdark". And so they did, and now we have about 1.5 companions that you can at least somewhat respect + burned loli maybe (not taking into consideration mythic ones) and others are not just bland or stupid like in PKM, but often bland with overlapping personalities half assed quests [kill undead] [search for his brothers shield] and many don't even feel like they belong in a narrative, even though some simple changes could have fixed it (Valerie could have offered you beer after first victory etc.); and often just kinda fanfiction tier offensive. Why would I want to read a 12 yo fanfic walls of text anyway?

Never think Evil = more Intellectual, it's an all too easy treason for a writer to fall into.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

kingmaker companions were far better, it's not even comparable.
I even liked most of the kingmaker companions I didn't take with me usually

 

[Desiderius]

Never think Evil = more Intellectual, it's an all too easy treason for a writer to fall into.

I'm never topping that one.

Femael brain matures at 13, so that's the level you're going to get when you hire them and are afraid to edit them. That's where the funders think the market is so that's what you're going to get. It was VCs driving Gamergate massacre.

Owlcat's real geniuses designing the encounters and whatnot (but not testing in some obvious cases!) want to keep getting paid so I guess they figure this is the price they have to pay.

What you expect me to go without Barkskins?

Yes. Principles over buffs.

besides Camilia who can be the Trickery monkey in the party?

Harder to say who cant many of them are high dex. You can turn Nenio into Woljif replacement, she won't be as good but she has a bite attack and can eventually learn a pounce feat.

Should have kept Wolj and booted Cam, you're right. Was too attached to LeopardTank by that point. Got punished.

Yeah, Scoundrel is perfect class but you of all people should know what fast spell progression does with that spell book. Plus she makes Mirror Image scrolls for the martials.

kingmaker companions were far better, it's not even comparable.
I even liked most of the kingmaker companions I didn't take with me usually

There's enough to scrape together a party once their classes are fixed but it won't be like P:K mix and match fun.

 

[Desiderius]

Ember gets them, but they didn't pick it as a spell when making her, although they did pick feats for 'em.

I wish they didn't give Ember the Vulnerability Curse / Hex since I'm not seeing any way to properly use it so far. Plus, you get a lot of shit that ignores immunities quite early in the game, like Ascendant Element.

Mythic abilities/feats turn out to be very rare/valuable. I haven't been able to fit that one in yet.

 

[Shadenuat]

Especially on Russian; Leader on Russian states you get 1+whole mythic level to all party initiative and saves. You miss half the bonus if you play on english

 

[Desiderius]

Do multiple characters with that one stack?

 

[Shadenuat]

Nah.

 

[Desiderius]

For those ragging on Daeran and Sosiel’s setups for various reasons healing in combat is both better in Wrath and has more support. It’s still mostly there for casual but it does give you more resilience.

Daeran starts with ranged Heals (all Cure spells actually) and can get Swift or the other way around and there are Bracers that let you autopass Concentration checks on Heals. Alchemist also has mythic ability that gives you ranged Heals/Buffs.

There were already ways to prevent triggering AoOs when standing up (i.e. when getting healed from unconscious) like Swordlord ability but I think there’s more in Wrath?

 

[Parabalus]

Surreal feeling when I’ve discovered that most dips and certainly almost all Monk dips are gimping yourself and people are still calling it cheese.

How high do enemy ABs go? Higher than in KM?

 

[Desiderius]

I’d imagine they will, but you have the tools to deal - first and foremost your own AB and damage - as long as you don’t foolishly delay the development of your class abilities.

 

[CaesarCzech]

Kingmaker needed mods to fix gameplay, this is going to need modded retranslation and rewrite.

 

[CaesarCzech]

Also just realized that if Owlcat didnt go completely simp the whole Camilie thing could be interesting if redemption route has success/fail states and you dont actually know you failed until you are fucked over, would certainly show the risk of going all REDEMPTION without feeling heavy handed and stupid.

 

[Thonius]

Man, reading this thread is really making me want to play the game even though it's still in beta.
I don't like playing unfinished games, but then again I did play Kingmaker on release.
How finished is the game right now compared to release Kingmaker?

Wait until release.
Then wait another six months, since the game will be riddled with bugs.
Then wait another six months for the DLC.
Then another six months for the Eternal/Ultra/Mega Edition.

I'll settle for release.

 

[Thonius]

Especially on Russian; Leader on Russian states you get 1+whole mythic level to all party initiative and saves. You miss half the bonus if you play on english

I Dunno my man I played Alpha on Russian and I found writing way full of jargon and shit. Like very bad fiction.

 

[Testownia]

Also just realized that if Owlcat didnt go completely simp the whole Camilie thing could be interesting if redemption route has success/fail states and you dont actually know you failed until you are fucked over, would certainly show the risk of going all REDEMPTION without feeling heavy handed and stupid.

That's because

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her redemption is bullshit from the get-go. If you play an Aeon, you immediately detect that. In the case of others - whelp, I don't know how many red flags you need, so you have only yourself to blame. I think her whole leitmotif is "some people just can't be helped".

 

[Desiderius]

That’s the theme of the whole game (you see it with Varne and Nurah too) and the Wokelism to which it’s marketed. Literally and intentionally anti-Christ. Real belief in redemption precludes the interahamwe to which things are headed and in some places is already here with overdoses/historically low birth rates and the like.

It’s also as anti-simp as possible and probably sneaks by women who should know better on that basis. Women, every last one, despise simps.

 

[Ontopoly]

Everybody complained about swarms in the first game? here's a swarm boss.

 

[Shadenuat]

Aside from terrible quadratic swarms it's my favorite boss in beta. Well also room is a bit banal looking, it should have been a bit more zerg.

It's like Worm man from PKM but this time he does what you expect zerg to do.

 

[Testownia]

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"I've been waiting for this... the queen says softly. This is not the time or place for confessions. But, on the other hand, any fight on the streets of this damned city may be the last for one of us. I'd rather open my heart now than regret not saying what I should have said."

ROMANCE CONFIRMED, AND INITIATED.

Also, from the datamined scraps it seems the secret romance shall be

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Areelu.

Erm...

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Wendaug looks at you with concern. "Well, look at what's waiting for you. Why are you obsessed with my feet?"