Pathfinder Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous - Game of the Year Edition

[Rhobar121]

I think a fix for too much XP would be to remove the first set of islands from the Midnight Island DLC. Just let the ones you can get in chapter IV and V.

This won't fix the encounter design and it will still be a slog,
Anyway that DLC (campaign mode) is a disaster, I don't think anyone found it enjoyable, not sure why they dropped the ball so much.

The only good DLC they created for the game was the last sarkorians

 

[Desiderius]

I think a fix for too much XP would be to remove the first set of islands from the Midnight Island DLC. Just let the ones you can get in chapter IV and V.

This won't fix the encounter design and it will still be a slog,
Anyway that DLC (campaign mode) is a disaster, I don't think anyone found it enjoyable, not sure why they dropped the ball so much.

Because they were all working on Rogue Trader

 

[Haplo]

I wonder what the Standard single attack Action of the Weretouched werewolf will be: claws... or tripping bite?

 

[Yuber]

Does this game has woke content?
And if I did not like the kingdom management in the first game, can I still like this one?

 

[Rhobar121]

Does this game has woke content?
And if I did not like the kingdom management in the first game, can I still like this one?

1. Yes
2. If you don't mind a boring and pointless filler whose only function is to prolong an already long game. The only advantage is that you can't lose the campaign because of it.

 

[Grunker]

I wonder what the Standard single attack Action of the Weretouched werewolf will be: claws... or tripping bite?

"Dad, what happened to natural attack stacking on the pre-Shifter patch?"

 

[Dishonoredbr]

SPOOKY SKELETONS


they got good with animation in this engine huh..

 

[Desiderius]

Does this game has woke content?
And if I did not like the kingdom management in the first game, can I still like this one?

1. Yes
2. If you don't mind a boring and pointless filler whose only function is to prolong an already long game. The only advantage is that you can't lose the campaign because of it.

Just tell him it's great and then he'll take the time to figure it out and enjoy it if for nothing else to fit in with the crowd that likes it. Now he's going to try to hate it and not take the time (unlike KM there's a good tutorial here) to figure it out and so suck at it so hate it more.

What's the point?

 

[Axel_am]

Considering that combat takes up most of the playtime in this game, yeah, Mythic Powers's problems become exacerbated compared to most other issues. Kingmaker has a lot in common with WoTR, yet seems to (generally) be regarded in a more positive light.

Really now? On what grounds?

Place a level cap on a chapter per chapter basis.

Maybe a mod can do this. Having it implemented in a game as big as any of the Pathfinders would feel wrong.

Does this game has woke content?
And if I did not like the kingdom management in the first game, can I still like this one?

It does have woke content but for me at least it was easy to skip by. Tho once you notice it you'll probably start looking for more of it. Kingdom management is replaced with Crusader management and it's not present in every chapter. It's also toned down to bearable amounts.

 

[Lacrymas]

I'd imagine balance wasn't any kind of priority during development of either Kingmaker or WotR, otherwise they wouldn't have been such nightmare games that haunt me.

 

[Dishonoredbr]

Does this game has woke content?

Define woke? Is someone pushing a agenda or just minority existing? There's Anevia and Irabeth thing that you can avoid (and honestly, i only got to know about their ''secret'' in my second run), there's a few gay and bissexual characters and.. that's about it.

The kingdom/crusade part of the game exist and it isn't much better , but if you play on PC just download a mod to auto win all battle and it's barely going to be a thing.

 

[Desiderius]

Autowin is in-game now if you just buy the army from Irabeth.

 

[Yosharian]

Does this game has woke content?
And if I did not like the kingdom management in the first game, can I still like this one?

Yes, and yes it has shitty crusade mode that is exactly like kingdom management

However, if you turn the crusade to auto mode, and pick the best companions, there's a lot of enjoyment to be had here

Unfortunately there's a lot of filler content too, so you have to take the rough with the smooth with this game

 

[Sarathiour]

Crusade mode is several degree worse than kingdom management.
Kingdom management is inoffensive dice rolling optimisation, crusade rule are arcane BS that everyone end up inevitably ignoring.

 

[ga♥]

I think a fix for too much XP would be to remove the first set of islands from the Midnight Island DLC. Just let the ones you can get in chapter IV and V.

This won't fix the encounter design and it will still be a slog,
Anyway that DLC (campaign mode) is a disaster, I don't think anyone found it enjoyable, not sure why they dropped the ball so much.

The only good DLC they created for the game was the last sarkorians

Well I just played it once, but I feel the broken items it gives as a reward (the spell immunity belt?) are a bit too much, also considering the reward for doing the other companions quests...
Personally I feel it was the least bad, wouldn't call it good.
The twins DLC in kingmaker was done better IMHO, also I don't personally like shifter as a class too much.

 

[scytheavatar]

Crusade mode is several degree worse than kingdom management.
Kingdom management is inoffensive dice rolling optimisation, crusade rule are arcane BS that everyone end up inevitably ignoring.

Kingdom management was fine....... until they started ramping up the difficulty and making the dice rolls ridiculous in latter acts. Then it becomes an exercise in frustration. Similarly Crusade mode is fine if you just use Chief Ageboya and Setsuna Shy. Cause they make Crusade mode easy mode.

 

[Axel_am]

Setsuna Shy is top kek.

 

[Yosharian]

It is not fine, it is boring filler content

 

[ga♥]

Desiderius you really like the HOMM mini crusade game more than the kingdom management card thing? Why?

 

[Average Manatee]

Both of the games' overworld mechanics reek of a designer that wanted to do something but was too afraid that players wouldn't like it and so made it easier and simpler at every turn. But WotR moreso than Kingmaker.

 

[Yuber]

Yeah I read that there is a PS5 Version coming Q1 2024 so I will just wait a little longer

 

[EdgyRightWinger]

Does this game has woke content?

Less than BG3.

More than any other D&D/PF game in history.

 

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Place a level cap on a chapter per chapter basis.

Having level-ups tied to chapter milestones is a great way to figure out if your players are actually enjoying the game. Taking the dopamine hit from leveling-up off of the table really changes their motivations.

 

[Desiderius]

Desiderius you really like the HOMM mini crusade game more than the kingdom management card thing? Why?

I like them both.

They’re both unfinished because people talked themselves (really each other because your generations are so mind-numbingly conformist) into hating them so there was no reason to put resources into completing them, including fixing obvious bugs for people who actually wanted to play them.

Crusade never had a chance because you’d already worked yourselves into a frenzy hating KM so couldn’t wait to get the gang back together. Game came with a full tutorial unlike KM but didn’t matter.

Ironically bringing this up is what got me banned by Owlcat themselves (on internal forum and Steam). Some guy gave a detailed review of Wrath that was overwhelmingly positive then added a perfunctory slam of Crusade with no specifics and I replied pointing that out and telling him that a balanced review wasn’t an actual requirement and that he didn’t have to slam the Crusade if he didn’t have strong feeling one way or another. He lost his shit, reported, and permaban for epistemological crime.

 

[ga♥]

Desiderius you really like the HOMM mini crusade game more than the kingdom management card thing? Why?

I like them both.

They’re both unfinished because people talked themselves (really each other because your generations are so mind-numbingly conformist) into hating them so there was no reason to put resources into completing them, including fixing obvious bugs for people who actually wanted to play them.

Crusade never had a chance because you’d already worked yourselves into a frenzy hating KM so couldn’t wait to get the gang back together. Game came with a full tutorial unlike KM but didn’t matter.

Ironically bringing this up is what got me banned by Owlcat themselves (on internal forum and Steam). Some guy gave a detailed review of Wrath that was overwhelmingly positive then added a perfunctory slam of Crusade with no specifics and I replied pointing that out and telling him that a balanced review wasn’t an actual requirement and that he didn’t have to slam the Crusade if he didn’t have strong feeling one way or another. He lost his shit, reported, and permaban for epistemological crime.

I like the cards thing and hate the crusader mini game.
It is completely unfinished, it has no challenge, late game it becomes 1 spell from a mage general = win and feels for the most part disconnected from the game.

Card game was a necessity in kingmaker, the writing was akshualy good, taking time and effort to have "problem" resolution written in a different way based on what advisor you had, and it had a (simple) logic behind it keeping it "challeging" the whole game (DC increasing).
As you say, on the other hand it is much easier to fail the card game (with more serious consequences) with no way to come back if you fugged up at start, but the problem is the lack of tutorial.

I think people can't really compare the two.