Eternity Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire + DLC Thread - now with turn-based combat!

[Lacrymas]

Without penetration, what would differentiate weapons - only attack speed and damage spread?

The problem is more how DR works in general, rather than PEN being a feature of weapons. The stupid thing in PoE1 is that everything else scales with level, but not DR, which made it progressively worse, had it scaled with level like everything else, it wouldn't have been a problem.

Come on... Sneak-reconnaisance and positioning before combat is perfectly ok, but why would my characters drink a potion, "this isn't a choice", "wastes time".

Pre buffing should be in. And can be in, by modding items and spells.

Completely different things, and you already can eat food, so prebuffing is in.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Without penetration, what would differentiate weapons - only attack speed and damage spread?

in the name of balance all weapons shall be completely identical
patch after that will remove all stats and replace them with the "SuperMight" stat that does everything for more balance

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Prebuffing is just pointless busywork that serves no purpose other than to waste your time.

 

[Vityaz]

How is the actual playing experience? My expectation is that it feels a lot like DOS1/2 in terms of movement and action distribution, and that it's going to lack a lot of system refinements that would have come with a system built for TB from the start. But I'm curious re. any Codexers that have actually played it for a few hours.

It's pretty okay so far. Needs some more polish and better/more consistent/less vague UI info.

I think folks above me already mentioned the important stuff so if OBS manages to iron it all out, it could be pretty great IMHO.

 

[Efe]

#NotAllPrebuffing is pointless busywork.
your problem comes from a system where buffs have no cost. so they are mindlessly repeated for every encounter.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Completely different things, and you already can eat food, so prebuffing is in.

Bullshit. Food is eaten before rest, not before combat. Food is not preparation for combat, it is choosing the most beneficial pre-buff for a given character with respect to the tasks he is expected to fulfill in the next day/the period before the next rest.

Prebuffing is just pointless busywork that serves no purpose other than to waste your time.

Why? You sneak and observe the enemies ahead, see trolls, why not drink anti-troll potion? Same as you switch to better weapons vs trolls, or arrange your party members.

 

[Strange Fellow]

It is very boring to have to cast the same buffs after every rest. Best thing to do is to give the player a catch-all spell, like Might and Magic does with Protection From Magic, right about the time they've unlocked all the relevant buffs. AwesomeButton's thing is different; short-term and situational buffs are cool.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Prebuffing is just pointless busywork that serves no purpose other than to waste your time.

Why? You sneak and observe the enemies ahead, see trolls, why not drink anti-troll potion?

Because it's a mundane, dull, tedious and dry activity that requires nothing of me except time. And it would be triple that dull in Pillars. 100% of the time you would be using literally the same buffs, because the only thing that matters on PoTD is accuracy and defensive stats. It's literally a definition of pointless busywork - it adds nothing to the experience except wasting my time.

 

[fantadomat]

I could never understood why people see it as a bad thing,nothing wrong with being prepared. It is one of the core things in the PnP game and it makes logic.

Because it isn't a choice, it's an automatic thing that only wastes time and it gives you a distinct advantage against enemies who don't prebuff. When you can't prebuff, you are actively choosing whether to buff in combat or do some other action, it's very logical and it adds a dimension.

You must be a retard to buff before every battle in Baldure's gate games,i do it only for a 5%-10% of encounters and after i have lost a few times. The whole idea that a buff would last only few seconds is not logical but retarded. I never used buffs in piles of shit games.

 

[fantadomat]

Prebuffing is just pointless busywork that serves no purpose other than to waste your time.

Why? You sneak and observe the enemies ahead, see trolls, why not drink anti-troll potion?

Because it's a mundane, dull, tedious and dry activity that requires nothing of me except time. And it would be triple that dull in Pillars. 100% of the time you would be using literally the same buffs, because the only thing that matters on PoTD is accuracy and defensive stats. It's literally a definition of pointless busywork - it adds nothing to the experience except wasting my time.

Here is a game that respects your time and gets down to the action instantly!
http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/

 

[Haplo]

I could never understood why people see it as a bad thing,nothing wrong with being prepared. It is one of the core things in the PnP game and it makes logic.

Because it isn't a choice, it's an automatic thing that only wastes time and it gives you a distinct advantage against enemies who don't prebuff. When you can't prebuff, you are actively choosing whether to buff in combat or do some other action, it's very logical and it adds a dimension.

Come on... Sneak-reconnaisance and positioning before combat is perfectly ok, but why would my characters drink a potion, "this isn't a choice", "wastes time".

Pre buffing should be in. And can be in, by modding items and spells.

Pure-buffing only makes sense for short duration buffs or encounter specific buffs that have an opportunity cost. While in most crpgs you have 100% uptime on 80%of your buffs that you can liberally apply at no real cost.

I much prefer the PoE way of buffing being an opportunity cost in combat. Where you only buff your party with stun resistance when you know the enemies will spam stun against you.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Because it's a mundane, dull, tedious and dry activity that requires nothing of me except time. And it would be triple that dull in Pillars. 100% of the time you would be using literally the same buffs, because the only thing that matters on PoTD is accuracy and defensive stats. It's literally a definition of pointless busywork - it adds nothing to the experience except wasting my time.

Fair enough. Yet, in most battles you still cast Bless (or any ability that buffs accuracy) -> Might buffing spells -> Protective spells -> Debuffs/direct damage spells.
Preparing before battle makes sense if you have reconnoitered the battlefield, which is hilariously easy in PoE.

BTW, one of the single biggest differences in how combat plays in the IE games and Pathfinder vs PoE (and this is to the detriment of PoE) is that in PoE you know the whole enemy composition before combat starts.

 

[Lacrymas]

it is choosing the most beneficial pre-buff for a given character with respect to the tasks he is expected to fulfill in the next day/the period before the next rest.

As in ...prebuffing?

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Because it's a mundane, dull, tedious and dry activity that requires nothing of me except time. And it would be triple that dull in Pillars. 100% of the time you would be using literally the same buffs, because the only thing that matters on PoTD is accuracy and defensive stats. It's literally a definition of pointless busywork - it adds nothing to the experience except wasting my time.

Fair enough. Yet, in most battles you still cast Bless (or any ability that buffs accuracy) -> Might buffing spells -> Protective spells -> Debuffs/direct damage spells.
Preparing before battle makes sense if you have reconnoitered the battlefield, which is hilariously easy in PoE.

BTW, one of the single biggest differences in how combat plays in the IE games and Pathfinder vs PoE (and this is to the detriment of PoE) is that in PoE you know the whole enemy composition before combat starts.

Yeah. The difficulty in Deadfire comes entirely from set-piece design and your choices of active spells and overall your decision-making during the fight. Buffs you never really change. Or wait, when facing vampires I had my Chanter swap into anti-charm aura. That's about it. So prebuffing adds nothing to the table.

Here is a game that respects your time and gets down to the action instantly!
http://orteil.dashnet.org/cookieclicker/

And just like that, 3 hours of my life gone.

 

[fantadomat]

And just like that, 3 hours of my life gone.

Don't worry mate,mine is gone too. At least it is more productive than Deadfire. My cookie slave mines are working while i shitpost on the codex.

 

[Maculo]

lack of prebuffing

I could never understood why people see it as a bad thing,nothing wrong with being prepared. It is one of the core things in the PnP game and it makes logic.

Personally, I think it depends on what the buff is. I draw a distinction between "Defense against X" (resist energy, paralysis, poison, etc.) and buffs simply for more damage or stats. Defensive buffs require some degree of knowledge or reconnaissance of the upcoming fight, whereas typically damage buffs could apply to every fight and so there is not much to think about. Ultimately, I find one more engaging than the other.

 

[AwesomeButton]

As in ...prebuffing?

Yes, but prebuffing for the day is not like prebuffing for the battle.

Yeah. The difficulty in Deadfire comes entirely from set-piece design and your choices of active spells and overall your decision-making during the fight. Buffs you never really change. Or wait, when facing vampires I had my Chanter swap into anti-charm aura. That's about it. So prebuffing adds nothing to the table.

How come your choices for active spells are important but buffs are not, when you are casting the buffs during combat?

Or did you mean to imply that Deadfire's overall difficulty is a big lie, and difficulty doesn't come from anything else but adding more baddies on the map?

 

[TT1]

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[Reinhardt]

There is some waifu clicker somewhere i think. Why click on cookies? It's job for wymmynz.

 

[Reinhardt]

Just google "waifu clicker". It seems there is more than one.
For example -

or

 

[Perkel]

Fired up this turn based mode, pretty hyped about it, first turn starts, i get shot NICE!.
Then i take my barbarior with huge sword and a hit.

And then i listen what it could be the weakest ever sound effect of something being hit.
Like someone took kitchen knife and tapped it on leather boot.
I know what is wrong with game. Fucking non existing feeback for anything other than guns.

 

[Quillon]

 

[Sentinel]

both are fucking garbage tbh

 

[AwesomeButton]

Fired up this turn based mode, pretty hyped about it, first turn starts, i get shot NICE!.
Then i take my barbarior with huge sword and a hit.

And then i listen what it could be the weakest ever sound effect of something being hit.
Like someone took kitchen knife and tapped it on leather boot.
I know what is wrong with game. Fucking non existing feeback for anything other than guns.

What budget did Battle Brothers have again? Now that are sound effects.

 

[2house2fly]

I haven't paid too much attention to the sound effects, but Sawyer being Sawyer it's possible he may have opted for realistic sounds over exciting ones