Eternity Pillars of Eternity + The White March Expansion Thread

[Sensuki]

Disagree with the dude or not, i highly respect that.

Me too

 

[Infinitron]

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3706905&pagenumber=680#post453305467

 

[Infinitron]

http://jesawyer.tumblr.com/post/134464020421/aloth-speaks-with-a-british-accent-eder-sounds

melnorme asked: Aloth speaks with a British accent, Eder sounds like a good ol' boy. What accents do Eora's different nations have?

Aedyrans from populated areas and higher social classes tend to have accents close to Received Pronunciation/Standard English. Rural Aedyrans sound like Northumbrians or Scots. Dyrwoodans have General American accents, with rural people tending toward an Ozarks or Appalachian accent. Vailians (from the republics, anyway) have a Lombard or Piedemontese accent.

 

[Kem0sabe]

http://jesawyer.tumblr.com/post/134464020421/aloth-speaks-with-a-british-accent-eder-sounds

As usual, Sawyer focusing on everything that doesn't make the game an actual fun experience. Such a nerd in all the wrong ways.

 

[agris]

Infinitron since you and him have a rapport on his tumblr, why not get him to wax eloquent on combat encounter diversity, lock-key mage battles with multiple locks and keys (i.e. real IE-style mage battles) and itemization that isn't as sterile as a surgical center?

 

[Infinitron]

http://jesawyer.tumblr.com/post/134464020421/aloth-speaks-with-a-british-accent-eder-sounds

As usual, Sawyer focusing on everything that doesn't make the game an actual fun experience. Such a nerd in all the wrong ways.

He's focusing on what I asked him.

Infinitron since you and him have a rapport on his tumblr, why not get him to wax eloquent on combat encounter diversity, lock-key mage battles with multiple locks and keys (i.e. real IE-style mage battles) and itemization that isn't as sterile as a surgical center?

He's already talked about these things plenty on Something Awful. Well, except for the "lock key" mage battles (I like how you aren't even attempting to make that sound non-shallow), but we already know what he thinks of those. So I don't see that I have much to add there.

I have recently suggested various improvements to existing mechanics such as interrupts and engagement, which he didn't reply to publicly, but I know he read.

 

[agris]

He's already talked about these things plenty on Something Awful. Well, except for the "lock key" mage battles (I like how you aren't even attempting to make that sound non-shallow), but we already know what he thinks of those. So I don't see that I have much to add there.

He's talked about the itemization before? Lock-key is just my characterization of it, but I assume you're interpreting this as his view towards hard counters when you say he's talked about it before?

 

[Infinitron]

He's talked about the itemization before?

Sure. Most recently...on the last page of this thread: http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...late-january-2016.100006/page-85#post-4250309

 

[Roguey]

https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/673259227943538688


https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/673260358090358784


https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/673303517881229313


https://twitter.com/jesawyer/status/673303889886625792


Good riddance to fatigue.

Funny how they keep catering to combat xp addicts even though they won't be satisfied by anything less than xp for every kill.

 

[Ninjerk]

Maybe it'll be worth playing by patch 4

 

[throwaway]

Wow that seems like quite a radical change. Makes me wonder how different the "definitive post-expansion and patched up" version I'll force myself to play next year will be from what was released (and reviewed 7 times on Codex).

 

[Roguey]

Maybe it'll be worth playing by patch 4

There won't be one, after they fix the major bugs from 3.0 that's it.

 

[Sensuki]

"Okay we tried making our own version of 4E Rules and it sucked, let's make it more 4E then"

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Athletics and Survival changes look good I guess.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Damn, Josh generally entertains the smallest questions from fans more than any reasonably big name RPG dev that i've ever seen

That's the thing with Obsidian, they really go through the effort to figure all that shit out. They probably have the whole world of Eora planned and figured out down to geology.

Meanwhile in Fallout 4, computers and nuka cola machines are magically working after 200 years in an abandoned village with no electricity.

 

[Dorateen]

One dead Sky Dragon.

Spoiler

 

[ArchAngel]

Damn, Josh generally entertains the smallest questions from fans more than any reasonably big name RPG dev that i've ever seen

That's the thing with Obsidian, they really go through the effort to figure all that shit out. They probably have the whole world of Eora planned and figured out down to geology.

Meanwhile in Fallout 4, computers and nuka cola machines are magically working after 200 years in an abandoned village with no electricity.

After playing STALKER I can almost understand why everything still works and is around in Fo4. STALKER is super empty, you only find some ammo, weapons and food.
Fo4 satisfies my inner explorer and gatherer more (while stalker satisfies my inner murderer more due to more lethal combat), there needs to be stuff , lots of stuff to gather and go through. Since Bethesda designers are too stupid to figure out logical stuff to gather after 200 years (and how the world could look like) they just put whatever and called it a day.

 

[Immortal]

I think I finally understand Josh's design strategy.. Basically he makes every possible mistake only to end up at the original concept he should of went with in the first place. Can't wait for more immunities, more combat XP and wizard duels in PoE 2.

 

[Drudkh]

Not having super specific info on enemies or the whole travel fatigue thing are super mild inconveniences. I can't be the only one who sees this stuff as superficial tinkering. None of this saves the games main story from feeling like a rush job mess after the animancer trial or how the white march is filled with enemies just like the ones in the original game but with stun techniques. Maybe he isn't announcing actual substantial changes over social media but still... This all seems like mere minutia.

 

[Sensuki]

Can't wait for more immunities, more combat XP and wizard duels in PoE 2.

And yet, the design will still likely be quite inferior to BG2.

 

[Grape_You_In_the_Mouth]

I don't see what's wrong with the fatigue system but I loved it and it made sense to me in terms of realism and gameplay (when you don't sleep you fight worse).

I think most people who argue constantly about combat mechanics are sick people (still love ya Sensuki) and the engagement system, with all it's flaws, has some major tactical good points just like attacks of opportunity, and will never ever be as important as how the story feels when playing the game.

I really wish everyone would just copy the Baldur's Gate 2 system and put all their money in making a good story experience, which is what the heroes are there for in the first place.

All this talk reminds me of reading reviews of every game I love---everyone mentions loving everything but the plot---which is what actually happens in the game---and instead talks about the worldbuilding, the combat, the humor, the graphics, and the music. Every game that comes out excels in one of those qualities, yet the timeless games in history coincidentally represent almost all the storyfag-worthy experiences.

 

[Rivmusique]

All this talk reminds me of reading reviews of every game I love---everyone mentions loving everything but the plot---which is what actually happens in the game---and instead talks about the worldbuilding, the combat, the humor, the graphics, and the music. Every game that comes out excels in one of those qualities, yet the timeless games in history coincidentally represent almost all the storyfag-worthy experiences.

Disgusting post, I hope you are the one and only person that actually thinks that. Even then, I'll just pretend you're joking.

 

[Infinitron]

Send him to Sheep's storyfag thread

 

[Roguey]

Can't wait for more immunities

3.0 is actually removing a few because the consensus is he went too far on some.

 

[Sannom]

One dead Sky Dragon.

That fight was really disappointing. Obviously I was over-leveled, but still, Obsidian should know better than allow a critter like that to be paralyzed or petrified or stuck, especially when she doesn't have any helpers with her. I killed her mainly with Fetid Caress, for crying out loud!

None of this saves the games main story from feeling like a rush job mess after the animancer trial

I must say, I don't get that criticism. Twin Elms felt a lot more lively and interesting than Defiance Bay, it let the tragedy of the Hollowborn sink in (children everywhere!) and it featured some of the most beautiful backgrounds in the game.