Arkane PREY - Arkane's immersive coffee cup transformation sim - now with Mooncrash roguelike mode DLC

[Child of Malkav]

You can turn those markers off, you know. As in most modern games anyway.

Yeah you can but that doesn't mean the game was designed with that in mind from the ground up. And you'll notice it.

 

[Beowulf]

You can turn those markers off, you know. As in most modern games anyway.

Yeah you can but that doesn't mean the game was designed with that in mind from the ground up. And you'll notice it.

True, that's another thing about modern gaming decline.
I don't remember much from my playthrough, but I disable objective markers for every game that allows me to do that, and I don't remember it giving me a hard time because of that.

 

[Child of Malkav]

but I disable objective markers for every game that allows me to do that, and I don't remember it giving me a hard time because of that.

It depends on the game but the vast majority of them don't improve the "experience". They're the "take screenshots" mode.

 

[Doktor Best]

In Prey you dont need questmarkers at all. The game is designed with that in mind. You have plenty of hints/guidance without them.

 

[Beowulf]

but I disable objective markers for every game that allows me to do that, and I don't remember it giving me a hard time because of that.

It depends on the game but the vast majority of them don't improve the "experience". They're the "take screenshots" mode.

You do yourself a disservice if you don't turn them off.

 

[RoSoDude]

The only two moments where a quest marker is arguably necessary (unless you enjoying searching for a needle in a haystack) are finding the hard drive in Deep Storage and scanning the Coral in the Talos exterior, as you have no guidance at all on where exactly you can find those in a fairly large 3D space in zero-g.

Otherwise yeah, definitely turn those off.

 

[SharkClub]

So what are the best mods for Prey for another playthrough? I've got an itch to play again after the System Shock Remake. Are there any mods that adds the extra stuff from Mooncrash to the main game or is that too hard for how limited the modding support for this game is? There's that new weapon and the handful of new enemies.

 

[Child of Malkav]

but I disable objective markers for every game that allows me to do that, and I don't remember it giving me a hard time because of that.

It depends on the game but the vast majority of them don't improve the "experience". They're the "take screenshots" mode.

You do yourself a disservice if you don't turn them off.

No I don't, I learned my lesson.

 

[gurugeorge]

You know, it's funny with quest markers and all those QOL things, in theory I understand the point that they're a distraction, but I just ignore them most of the time and follow what's going on the virtual world. I play into the virtual world as much as possible, but since life is short it's nice to occasionally have halp to get over a hump and speed things along a bit.

(I actually loved Terra Nova for that, because everything like that had an in-game rationale (e.g. the map was a satellite map being beamed into your robot suit, etc.). I still remember using the little drone to scout out areas ahead - and it was so well implemented and easy to use. And as another side-note, that reminds me, when I do get around to setting up VR, the best, ahem, vehicle for it will be games where the protagonist is sitting - space games, piloting games, mech games, etc.)

Yeah, I never understood the hate for the recent Prey, it's a good tribute to SS and an enjoyable immersive sim.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

Arkane still leaning on the crutch of objective markers years and years after Dishonored. Sad!

 

[JDR13]

I played without the objective markers and had no issues at all.

 

[SomeGuyWithAnOpinion]

The inspiration with SS clear and very welcome. I mean the retarded quest markers immediately reminded me how much gaming has declined - having to figure out your objectives and routes just from the logs in SS was so fucking refreshing.

You can turn those markers off, you know. As in most modern games anyway.

The game is very much NOT designed for them to be turned off. Most quests you can figure out what to do eventually, but from my experience it's more trial-and-error rather than using your brain to intelligently solve quests.

However, there is a relatively decent middle ground.

The Interface Customiser mod allows you to specify WHICH quest types have markers. You should turn all of them off except for crew markers. Then, for any quest that requires you to find something, you can usually look up a related person on the computer and get a marker that will somewhat point you in the right direction. It's diegetic, makes sense with the lore, and doesn't give you a straight answer all the time.

Probably the closest you can get to a proper "no quest markers" system while keeping in mind the game's lack of support for really playing without them

 

[cvv]

The game is very much NOT designed for them to be turned off. Most quests you can figure out what to do eventually, but from my experience it's more trial-and-error rather than using your brain to intelligently solve quests.

However, there is a relatively decent middle ground.

The Interface Customiser mod allows you to specify WHICH quest types have markers. You should turn all of them off except for crew markers. Then, for any quest that requires you to find something, you can usually look up a related person on the computer and get a marker that will somewhat point you in the right direction. It's diegetic, makes sense with the lore, and doesn't give you a straight answer all the time.

Probably the closest you can get to a proper "no quest markers" system while keeping in mind the game's lack of support for really playing without them

Yea that's perfect.

 

[kangaxx]

So what are the best mods for Prey for another playthrough? I've got an itch to play again after the System Shock Remake. Are there any mods that adds the extra stuff from Mooncrash to the main game or is that too hard for how limited the modding support for this game is? There's that new weapon and the handful of new enemies.

I'm pretty sure the DLC adds a "hardcore mode" that enables status afflictions from Mooncrash. There are also neuromod availability balancing mods that fix one of the game's main problems.

 

[Silverfish]

There are also neuromod availability balancing mods that fix one of the game's main problems.

Using neuromods.

 

[kangaxx]

I like the no needles run too, but without them you're missing out on some of what the game has to offer. They just need to be seriously pared back otherwise you're drowning in them very early in the game.

 

[LarryTyphoid]

Arkanebro plays game without removing half of the game's features challenge (impossible)

 

[Silverfish]

Arkanebro plays game without removing half of the game's features challenge (impossible)

Arkanedev makes game that isn't better with half the features removed challenge (Dante Must Die Mode).

 

[Wirdschowerdn]

Doing totally away with objective markers really doesn't work with games like Dishonored or Prey. These games have completely different level design principles from Thief. But they shouldn't pin-point the marker down either, but rather, only highlight a larger zone and then let the player figure out the rest.

 

[Zombra]

Doing totally away with objective markers really doesn't work with games like Dishonored or Prey. These games have completely different level design principles from Thief. But they shouldn't pin-point the marker down either, but rather, only highlight a larger zone and then let the player figure out the rest.

I've seen a number of games do things like this - the marker leads you to the zone but once you're there you're on your own. Particularly with treasure hunt type things. The MacGuffin is somewhere on that island, the island is on your GPS but that's it.

 

[<3sRichardSimmons]

I played both Dishonored games with no objective markers on, and didn’t have a problem. I don’t think it would work as well for Prey though, since there are not discrete levels.

 

[Bad Sector]

Doing totally away with objective markers really doesn't work with games like Dishonored or Prey.

You mean how these two specific games are implemented on in games like them in general? Because if the latter, System Shock 2 didn't have any objective markers and worked fine. I've finished a Prey playthrough recently, i don't remember anything that would make it impossible for the game to not have them (aside from the couple of cases RoSoDude mentioned above).

 

[cvv]

Dunno, just finished Prey today - best good guy playstyle payoff ever btw - and I'm just looking back reviewing all the moments in the game when an objective marker would be necessary and coming up blank.

I won't take much, a better wording in some quests, an adjusted objective placement here and there, a few hours of work and you can do away without markers completely.

 

[Spukrian]

I have objective markers on when playing Prey and Dishonored but I ignore them untill I feel have explored enough of a level (with that said I've played Prey so much that I've memorized most of the game).

Does using the Heart to find runes and charms in Dishonered count as using objective markers?

 

[cvv]

I have objective markers on when playing Prey and Dishonored

Going to start my first Dishonored run soon, is it like Prey markers-wise? Can you realistically switch it off?