There's a nigger and gay sex in Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2!

[Tyranicon]

what the fuck is a woke game?

Woke/DEI/ESG/whatever media has always been about propaganda. Having ethnic or sexual minorities in a game does not necessarily make it propaganda. That's an indefensible position and you'll get eviscerated. The anti-woke movement should be about opposing propaganda from large corporate/other interests that desire to effect social engineering, the re-writing of history, and forcing political change.

Instead, it's an entirely de-centralized movement that's been hijacked by a bunch of grifters to make money or to pursue their own agendas.

 

[Elttharion]

what the fuck is a woke game?

Woke/DEI/ESG/whatever media has always been about propaganda. Having ethnic or sexual minorities in a game does not necessarily make it propaganda. That's an indefensible position and you'll get eviscerated. The anti-woke movement should be about opposing propaganda from large corporate/other interests that desire to effect social engineering, the re-writing of history, and forcing political change.

Instead, it's an entirely de-centralized movement that's been hijacked by a bunch of grifters to make money or to pursue their own agendas.

So... We agree Kingdcom Come 2 is a woke game right? Turning a straight character bissexual and inserting token minorities is exactly the kind of propaganda from large corporate/other interests that desire to effect social engineering, the re-writing of history, and forcing political change you mentioned.

 

[GrainWetski]

He also gave the wokies the single biggest victory they could ever have and probably killed any kind of anti woke movement that was gaining traction in the gaming community.

If a movement was centered entirely on some dude wearing a based shirt and shitposting on twitter, then it never deserved to live anyways.

Its not that the movement was centered on Vavra but that if even 'based' games have gay protagonists and 'diversity done right' what the fuck is a woke game? You can justify anything with 'its just optional content'. People lost their shit with the trans surgery scars or pronouns in Veilguard. Well that shit was also tucked away into a corner of the game you would normally never see, just like the gay sex is reportedly hidden behind half a dozen options. Body type A/B is something you see once and never again. The pronouns on Starfield were there only during the character creator. Etc.

Even fucking Ubisoft at least used a dude that existed for their black samurai protagonist, as retarded as their decision was. Vavra just invented a dude wholesale and his character is so insanely ridiculous it makes the historian in me weep. Unless the anti wokes outrightly boycotted this game they just come out of this looking like gigantic hypocrites. FFS people like Grummz were mocking Ubisoft relentlessly for making Yasuke bissexual but they are now praising this. Well guess what man, its the same fucking thing, they are both optional and both retarded. Kingdom Come is actually worse since Henry was completely straight before.

It's them trying to forcibly move the Overton Window. "As long as it's optional.." anything goes apparently.

 

[Yosharian]

Some of you need to fucking calm down a bit. Henry isn't gay just because you have the option of doing something. Wtf. Is Shepard automatically gay just because you get the option to bang Kaidan? This makes no fucking sense. Your Henry is whatever you make him do, not what someone else makes him do.

 

[Tyranicon]

So... We agree Kingdcom Come 2 is a woke game right?

Simply knowing who owns the studio would've told you yes. The only suspense was whether Warhorse and its devs wanted to keep up the larping.

You really shouldn't believe anybody who leans too heavily into the "look how based I am" shtick.

 

[Thalstarion]

The official social media account was caught sharing fan art of Henry and Hans kissing each other. Pattern recognition alone makes it crystal clear that despite supposedly being an 'option' it will be heavily promoted as often as possible.

Especially when Pride month swings around again.

There was absolutely no indication that Henry was anything other than straight in the first game and despite multiple romance options/flings all of them were with women.

The whole idea of a character being 'player-sexual' is also stupid and dangerous to promote in the first place. Most people are heterosexual. They are never going to want to sleep with someone of the same gender and even if they are tolerant towards such things, that tolerance wears out when the default is artificially eroded and hidden from view.

Henry being heterosexual and having a normal, healthy friendship with another male character in the form of Hans was great to see in an industry plagued by people insisting that any two characters that look at each other are having sex with one another.

Henry being potentially bisexual or gay depending on player choice ruins that vibe. It doesn't matter if any given player doesn't pick those options. It still ruins the vibe.

 

[Bibbimbop]

People here will probably attack me for this, but I actually sympathize for Musa of Mali.

From personal experience in my own travels, I know that being a wandering scholar and explorer can be a lonely existence.

We haven't really learned the details to the "lots of interesting situations" that Vavra says Musa is involved in, but I hope he isn't lonely when there are so many Czech girls in need of an educated and respeckful man. Heckerinos, since he is Muslim, he could even have two beautiful white Czech girls providing him "lots of interesting situations" in bed.

As Henry of Skalitz, I vow to complete all the "lots of interesting" quests in the Musa subplot, including the one where I convince Theresa to help him get over his loneliness so far from his homeland. I will be there supporting his minority-owned business, bringing him ingredients that I hand-pick from the meadows of the Bohemian countryside so that he can craft Malian folk remedies to cure the disease outbreak at the brothel where he be keepin his pimp hand strong.

Malian lives matter.

 

[Quillon]

So... We agree Kingdcom Come 2 is a woke game right?

Simply knowing who owns the studio would've told you yes. The only suspense was whether Warhorse and its devs wanted to keep up the larping.

You really shouldn't believe anybody who leans too heavily into the "look how based I am" shtick.

Meh, I've been following the guy for like 10 years since the first kickstarter video, one thing I'm certain of is that Vavra's too stubborn to appease anyone/either end of the spectrum, he just isn't exactly what y'all thought he was, apparently

 

[Yosharian]

The official social media account was caught sharing fan art of Henry and Hans kissing each other. Pattern recognition alone makes it crystal clear that despite supposedly being an 'option' it will be heavily promoted as often as possible.

That's fair, and I don't care for such things myself, but they are meta issues surrounding the promotion of the game, there's no evidence that being gay will be promoted heavily within the game itself. If it does end up like that, I'll be the first to say it's bullshit.

As for your idea of making being gay more palatable to the general public, being something that will bring about the destruction of civilization, that's again politics and doesn't really belong in this thread, you have another thread to discuss that.

As for your vibe being ruined, that's a you problem honestly.

 

[Lord_Potato]

Isn't Mali the last place in the world were slavery was banned in the 1950s?

I think it was Saudi Arabia in the 70s.

 

[Tyranicon]

Meh, I've been following the guy for like 10 years since the first kickstarter video, one thing I'm certain of is that Vavra's too stubborn to appease anyone/either end of the spectrum, he just isn't exactly what y'all thought he was, apparently

So I don't know this guy from Jack, but I did like KC:D and I remember Vavra from when it came out. So naturally, I assume he's a cool dude working on something he's passionate about. Him bashing Veilguard was funny.

But then this recent thing got me to dig around his profile more and he's constantly talking about how rich he is now, larping with guns and badly-fitting platecarriers, and trying hyper hard to present himself as some kind of internet badass.

Like, fucking hell man, don't fucking drink and act smug as shit when you're literally trying to fix a PR emergency.

I can't imagine following this guy for a decade and not being sick of his antics.

You guys need better heroes.

 

[Turisas]

*as long as those choices aren't racist or sexist


There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Yeah, it looks great. The crime system looks really cool. I wish we would have gotten a sandbox mode/character to actually experience it without the disconnect. Oh well.

Thief IV: Czech Please
After an all-night drunken bender, Garrett awakens to find himself transported from the City to a faraway land where he is mistaken for a dimwitted peasant named Henry of Skalitz. Now he must pretend to follow the requests of a petty feudal lord, while robbing the countryside blind as he attempts to find a way home. Join Garrett in this hilarious comedy of errors!

 

[Yosharian]

Thalstarion to take your idea to ultimate absurdity: Henry is now canonically a mass murderer because you have the option of killing everyone in the game. So if you play it you're supporting that.

Or similarly, you have the option of killing everyone who openly worships Christianity, so Henry must canonically be a murderer of Christians.

That's going by your logic of 'if it's an option, it's canon'.

 

[AwesomeButton]

I can't wait to go on a same-sex adventure on February 4th. Will you guys go with a top or a bottom build first? I've heard it's hard to pull off a hybrid class, not enough skill points to go around.

Don't pretend you didn't notice the energy between Henry and Capon as soon as you set off hunting with him...

 

[Turisas]

Don't pretend you didn't notice the energy between Henry and Capon as soon as you set off hunting with him...

Normal people:
"This fucking guy, I'll show him and beat him at rabbit hunting competition!"

AwesomeButton:
"This fucking guy, I'm gonna eat that sexy noble ass before the day is over!"

 

[whocares]

I could see Musa working if they did it right. After all even Poul Anderson had a Saracen companion in Three Hearts.

But gay Henry is an unprecedented betrayal. It was already iffy that you could still go wenching in the new game because Henry is a nice lad and he's got Theresa at home, but that's at least in the realm of possibility. Him developing a thirst for cock after getting hit over the head is the single most devastating copium depletion event in the history of gayming.

Or you know what, it is precedented. It's exactly like Dragon Age 2 where Anders turned from a cheesy womanizer into an angsty fag. Now let's see if the rest of KCD 2 experiences a drop off as sharp.

 

[Elttharion]

Some of you need to fucking calm down a bit. Henry isn't gay just because you have the option of doing something. Wtf. Is Shepard automatically gay just because you get the option to bang Kaidan? This makes no fucking sense. Your Henry is whatever you make him do, not what someone else makes him do.

Henry is not a blank slate character tho, thats why people are angry. Henry being possibly bissexual will now always be an albatrozz around the characters neck and Warhorse will have to keep including more and more homossexual content or retcon him as being fully straight again and piss the people who made him a homo. By that point it begs the question as to why the fuck they did this in the first place. Its a completely retarded and unnecessary addition.

 

[Quillon]

he's constantly talking about how rich he is now, larping with guns and badly-fitting platecarriers...I can't imagine following this guy for a decade and not being sick of his antics. You guys need better heroes.

Heroes lol. As if there is a perfect developer for us all to revere. But yeah I like him cos he's passionate and doesn't take shit, I don't have to enjoy his personality lmao and I don't like many of his creative decisions; dude's writing action game story into an RPG for the second time now for starters or I can repeat myself saying how Henry is a shitty MC for the 54th time. You guys just bashing the guy cos its the safe/popular thing to do atm for easy codex kool credits, I'll need hard evidence. If there is any developer deserving the benefit of the doubt, its Vavra.

 

[Elttharion]

Meh, I've been following the guy for like 10 years since the first kickstarter video, one thing I'm certain of is that Vavra's too stubborn to appease anyone/either end of the spectrum, he just isn't exactly what y'all thought he was, apparently

So I don't know this guy from Jack, but I did like KC:D and I remember Vavra from when it came out. So naturally, I assume he's a cool dude working on something he's passionate about. Him bashing Veilguard was funny.

But then this recent thing got me to dig around his profile more and he's constantly talking about how rich he is now, larping with guns and badly-fitting platecarriers, and trying hyper hard to present himself as some kind of internet badass.

Like, fucking hell man, don't fucking drink and act smug as shit when you're literally trying to fix a PR emergency.

I can't imagine following this guy for a decade and not being sick of his antics.

You guys need better heroes.

This is the only hero I acknowledge

Today was the 83rd birthday of Seiji Nakamura, the oldest president of an erotic game company in Japan, and I visited him at his home. He said that he has been replaying "Rance IV: Legacy of the Cult" recently ("In the end, Sill is the cutest...") while praying for the release of "STALKER2" in November. He was as cool as ever.

 

[Thalstarion]

@Thalstarion to take your idea to ultimate absurdity: Henry is now canonically a mass murderer because you have the option of killing everyone in the game. So if you play it you're supporting that.

Or similarly, you have the option of killing everyone who openly worships Christianity, so Henry must canonically be a murderer of Christians.

That's going by your logic of 'if it's an option, it's canon'.

No, you're just moving the goalposts.

That isn't the same thing at all. Henry was depicted a very specific way in the original game that did not imply in any way that he was at all attracted to other men.

It doesn't matter if it is optional in the sequel. It's still a retcon that retroactively poisons the well by negatively impacting the character and how previous interactions and friendships can be viewed.

It's not even going to be a satisfying inclusion for those who want Henry to be into men due to one of the information dumps I linked earlier - there's no male nudity, the scenes are based entirely around sneaking around and will potentially have devastating consequences if caught. Which in turn begs the question of who it is even designed for.

He's also a predefined character who is meant to conform to certain rules and restrictions even if there is some room for player place. We're not talking about a game where you can create your own unique character.

I'm not one to beat around the bush. The excuses as to why they took this route is laughable. Their obvious plan was to do a bait and switch by not mentioning any of this in the marketing phase but the leak put an end to that.

They then tried to ignore it when questioned. Then they lashed out. Then they tightened their terms of service and tried to tie any criticism of the bait and switch to hate speech. Then - after a lot of people began cancelling preorders - they finally offered 'clarification' in the form of admitting that the leaks were true after all.

It's all performative. They were clearly forced to add this stuff and now they're relying on your ilk to conjure forth excuses as to why it is supposedly fine.

It doesn't matter that it's optional or that you don't understand the 'vibe shift'. Others do, clearly, which is why the game is now facing controversy.

 

[onemananadhisdroid]

This series will go down as the most based series of games in history.

First, they ticked off the wokie duds. They wouldn't let it slip that there was a game out there not playing by their rules. The 2nd time around, it was the anti-wokies, tellingly throwing their former "icon" under the bus the second but a rumor appeared. Never was it made more obvious that both of them are two sides of the same coin as well: If you don't lick their b*tts they prefer to be licked, they're gonna gang on you hard, no prisoners taken.


KCD: Successfully separating the wheat from the chaff since 2018.

 

[Infinitron]

Having ethnic or sexual minorities in a game does not necessarily make it propaganda. That's an indefensible position and you'll get eviscerated.

You want to tell us something about some of the characters in your games. Tyranicon?

 

[Oreshnik Missile]

Thalstarion to take your idea to ultimate absurdity: Henry is now canonically a mass murderer because you have the option of killing everyone in the game. So if you play it you're supporting that.

Or similarly, you have the option of killing everyone who openly worships Christianity, so Henry must canonically be a murderer of Christians.

That's going by your logic of 'if it's an option, it's canon'.

The capacity for violence is part of what it means to be a man, unlike the capacity for faggotry.

 

[bat_boro]

This series will go down as the most based series of games in history.

First, they ticked off the wokie duds. They wouldn't let it slip that there was a game out there not playing by their rules. The 2nd time around, it was the anti-wokies, tellingly throwing their former "icon" under the bus the second but a rumor appeared. Never was it made more obvious that both of them are two sides of the same coin as well: If you don't lick their b*tts they prefer to be licked, they're gonna gang on you hard, no prisoners taken.


KCD: Successfully separating the wheat from the chaff since 2018.

Very interesting observation. Let’s wait a month to see if it’s true.

My hypothesis? You’re way off the mark and it’s actually the oldest tale in the book - a guy makes a product for a user he doesn’t know and understand. He got lucky once, so he thought he knew all there is to know about the user. He tried to make another product, but he’s not so lucky now.

The above is just a hypothesis, I don’t have anything to back it up with other than an anecdote- I was this close to making a preorder for the first time in my 20+ years gaming life. As soon as the news came, it became apparent that this product is not for me, so I refrained and will be continuing to refrain from making that purchase.

We’ll know in 1-2 months who is in the right I suppose