There's a nigger and gay sex in Kingdom Come: Deliverance 2!

[sosmoflux]

Kingdom Come: Deliverance II - Henry's coming to groom us on February 4th

 

[Elttharion]

Genuinely can't even imagine the rest of the horrors that are hidden in this game.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Henry is not a sandbox character, aka you. What is now this bs.

Anything gay that happens every time you play a fairly free form RPG has nothing to do with you, my totally straight bro.

I don't mean the sexual stuff specifically, Henry as a protag is incredibly guided. That is one of my pet-peeves with the first game. Doing any kind of crime, for example, felt like a major disconnect from the narrative. The game has sandbox elements, but the character was not written for it, at all.

That's fair, but if you have a look at some of the media around the sequel, it looks like they've gone far more into a simulationist sandbox direction with it, while retaining the historic, non-fantastical setting.

 

[Quillon]

Henry is not a sandbox character, aka you. What is now this bs.

Henry is probably most of codex since most codexers liked his bland dull as fuckness so much in the first game

But yeah no he is not "YOU", its Vavra's predefined character who even has a set in stone main path, we get to fill in the less important stuff like if he likes sucking dick

 

[Alienman]

Henry is not a sandbox character, aka you. What is now this bs.

Anything gay that happens every time you play a fairly free form RPG has nothing to do with you, my totally straight bro.

I don't mean the sexual stuff specifically, Henry as a protag is incredibly guided. That is one of my pet-peeves with the first game. Doing any kind of crime, for example, felt like a major disconnect from the narrative. The game has sandbox elements, but the character was not written for it, at all.

That's fair, but if you have a look at some of the media around the sequel, it looks like they've gone far more into a simulationist sandbox direction with it, while retaining the historic, non-fantastical setting.

Yeah, it looks great. The crime system looks really cool. I wish we would have gotten a sandbox mode/character to actually experience it without the disconnect. Oh well.

 

[Tyrr]

Is he projecting here?

 

[Elttharion]

Is he is projecting here?

Maybe someone just had a high speech skill and managed to pass his skill checks...

 

[Roguey]

Like how Shepard can fuck Alenko and Vega in their respective asses? That must be canon male Shep.
Like how V can touch tips with Kerry Eurodyne, making anyone who plays male V a complete faggot?
Like...

It doesn't matter. See, the difference which should be obvious is that the agency is from the player. If you choose to have the character turn gay, it's more about you than anything.

Those are characters with a wider range of expression. Shepard can be of either gender, have multiple histories, and can either be an asshole or a goody goody. Likewise with V. Henry of Skalitz is Henry of Skalitz. He only has the one established background, his dialogue options are limited to things this specific character would be likely to say, he will perform actions and say things you don't agree with without your input, he has a very narrow range of expression. And now he's a bisexual; you're just given the choice to not act on his homosexual desires.

 

[Litmanen]

If Henry is YOU, then he's going to have a lot of gay sex.

 

[Sigourn]

I could tell because your dude is kinda swaying and can't stand up correctly because his ass is in too much pain from receiving the gay lust of a bath-house full of Bohemian queers

Hey, takes one to know one.

 

[Thalstarion]

The bait and switch intensifies, I see.

The entire point of role-playing a predefined character is that they have specific limitations. I loathe this mentality of every video game character being some degree of self insert.

On the plus side, this just shows how desperate these companies are becoming. They know they can't get away with extremely compromised products such as Dustborn and Concord so they are going to shift towards hiding the subversive elements deeper into a game.

 

[I eat frozen vegetables]

The bait and switch intensifies, I see.

The entire point of role-playing a predefined character is that they have specific limitations. I loathe this mentality of every video game character being some degree of self insert.

On the plus side, this just shows how desperate these companies are becoming. They know they can't get away with extremely compromised products such as Dustborn and Concord so they are going to shift towards hiding the subversive elements deeper into a game.

Maybe they should stop being subversive and release a good product.

 

[Tyranicon]

Can't wait for the innocent dialogue pick of “we make a good team, Hans” to end up with Henry sucking his dick.

 

[Alienman]

Impossible. You just ask too much.

 

[Larianshill]

Can't wait for the innocent dialogue pick of “we make a good team, Hans” to end up with Henry sucking his dick.

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How about this - I'm gonna make this penis... Disappear. Ta-da! It's... Gone.

 

[Iucounu]

Yes, they convientely had the Nile and deposits of limestone and granite nearby
Also the thousands upon thousands of slaves helped

The region surrounding the city of Timbuktu has no such conviniences
Adobe and mud are the only pratical choices in that enviroment

One look at Google Maps shows there's a big river not far from Timbuktu.
Ibn Battuta also describes traveling by boat along a river which he calls "the Nile" because apparently the locals compared it to the Nile.
He also describes the negros of Mali having slaves, who could have been used for labor.
Timbuktu was also a major trade hub in the region, importing things would have been possible. Doesn't have to be huge blocks of stone like for the pyramids, it would be enough to import stones or bricks to build regular buildings. You know, anything more solid than a mud hut.

There is no reason they couldn't have used building materials more solid than mud.

How resistant are mud huts to changes in temperature? If they allow to have 22 C degrees when there is 42C outside. And if they keep temperature at night, they might prefer mud huts. I remember how ex CIA talked about aboriginal houses in Mexico. Like these thick walls allowed comfortable living even without air conditioner.

Mesopotamia and Egypt were also very hot especially in the summer. People there built houses from mud bricks - sometimes baked, sometimes just left to harden in the sun. More solid than negro mud huts in west Africa.

I thought it was the same type of mud bricks as in Mali, what's the difference?

Solid enough that we still have remains of bronze age buildings of these civilizations today!

Maybe such remains were made of stone or fired brick. I doubt many unfired mud brick structures have made, unless they were protected say by first being buried underground. The Egyptian pyramids made of unfired mudbrick have collapsed into heaps over time.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

The meltdown over this is amazing. I remember couple years back someone said there is gonna be African in KCD2 and was laughed at and it turns out indeed there is African now

And there is something symbolic with the 2nd game going into bigger city and the rural boy now becomes gay like it's a commentary about such a thing happen in metropolitan cities

 

[mediocrepoet]

The meltdown over this is amazing. I remember couple years back someone said there is gonna be African in KCD2 and was laughed at and it turns out indeed there is African now

And there is something symbolic with the 2nd game going into bigger city and the rural boy now becomes gay like it's a commentary about such a thing happen in metropolitan cities

Too close to home for many 'dexers it seems.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Regardless of the reaction it is indeed baffling on why are these 2 elements are included at all.

KCD was the "based Euros" RPG and Vavra made a point in social media to be "based on not politically correct". Journos tried to shit on KCD1 and it prevailed for being an interesting historical fiction RPG in time where such thing is non-existent. It pretty much the banner holder for "right wing" game in Europe. And even after being shat on by Jounos it ends up prevailing and making its own niche.

I guess they just want to reach wider audience?

 

[Shadowfang]

I guess they just want to reach wider audience?

The legendary modern audience from the looks of it.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

I guess they just want to reach wider audience?

The legendary modern audience from the looks of it.

to be fair it's not to the level of fabled "modern audience"

which kinda make it more baffling because having a token African and having butt gay sex only will not suddenly make people interested in the game, not to mention they are not part of any promotional material anyway

If I wasn't interested in KCD premise I doubt I will suddenly be interested just because weeks after release people in forum are saying "There are African in the game, I can now play it"

 

[mediocrepoet]

I guess they just want to reach wider audience?

The legendary modern audience from the looks of it.

to be fair it's not to the level of fabled "modern audience"

which kinda make it more baffling because having a token African and having butt gay sex only will not suddenly make people interested in the game, not to mention they are not part of any promotional material anyway

If I wasn't interested in KCD premise I doubt I will suddenly be interested just because weeks after release people in forum are saying "There are African in the game, I can now play it"

Probably more of a bet on, "the lady doth protest too much, methinks." I tell you, I've played basically all the games that tended to bring about this sort of outcry (not Veilguard), yet unlike most of the whiners, I've not seen any (as in not even one) gay cutscene, ever. Not all of us are built the same.

 

[Harthwain]

Now I can only cheer that the game ends as well as last Dragon age.

The heights of Veilguard are not achievable this easily. There might be some pre-orders cancelled, but I doubt it will be a significant amount (unless someone has the actual data to prove otherwise).

Anything gay that happens every time you play a fairly free form RPG has nothing to do with you, my totally straight bro.

He is correct though; established characters aren't tabula rasa. Just because someone fancies Geralt being gay (because the player himself is gay/a woman) doesn't mean there should be an option for it "because it's an RPG". Vavra doing this out of the blue after the first game, which had Bianca as his sweetheart and Theresa as his love interest, is a bizzare switch. Had this been in the vein of Mass Effect (where the player character is pretty much a blank slate, except for the name), and this being the first game of the series, then you could get away with this. But not in a sequel.

 

[KeAShizuku]

Don't care much about the faggot stuff. It's optional. Don't want Henry to be a homo? Then don't act like one. Big deal. That being said, any kind of romance in RPG's is decline. Beside the point though.

However, Token is a bigger issue. There's no sensible explanation (not for a dude from Mali anyway), and it's not optional content either.

There is. How many people get their history from videogames and movies instead of books and university lectures?

The KCD dev has joined the propaganda division.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Now I can only cheer that the game ends as well as last Dragon age.

The heights of Veilguard are not achievable this easily. There might be some pre-orders cancelled, but I doubt it will be a significant amount (unless someone has the actual data to prove otherwise).

Anything gay that happens every time you play a fairly free form RPG has nothing to do with you, my totally straight bro.

He is correct though; established characters aren't blank slates. Just because someone fancies Geralt being gay (because the player himself is gay/a woman) doesn't mean there should be an option for it "because it's an RPG". Vavra doing this out of the blue after the first game, which had Bianca as his sweetheart and Theresa as his love interest, is a bizzare switch. Had this been in the vein of Mass Effect (where the player character is pretty much a blank slate, except for the name), and this being the first game of the series, then you could get away with this. But not in a sequel.

Maybe. Depends on how much weight you give to, "the character some dude wrote is how i have to play/be" I guess. If we're talking a completely linear FPS campaign or similar, I'm with you. In an open world RPG where you don't necessarily (I assume) have to have certain responses, I don't. Essentially, unless you're roped into a mandatory swallow my sword QTE or some such, this is silly. "Someone could choose a certain path and I don't like it, so now I'm going to have a tantrum" sort of childishness imo.