Imrahil
Educated
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- May 21, 2019
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Went to Miel Avest - I was expecting... more? More answers maybe. I'm still trying to figure out my goal. Defeat The Sorrow? Is that a thing? Do I care? No one else seems to really care. I still don't get why I should care about any of this*.
- So, Miel Avest just seems like a typical city hub. There's a strange obelisk-thingie that you can click on but it just seems add a weird lag to the dialogue, where it starts scrolling very slowly. Eventually I gave up, exited & restarted, problem solved.
- Seems weird that Aadiris's request that I speak to Melmoth didn't add a Journal "Quest" - a very minor thing I admit, just... odd. I mean, I don't need sign posts, just consistency to what I'm already used to. [later EDIT: nevermind - I finally realized these updates show up under the main "The Sanctuary of Miel Avest" - which, heh, I suppose is a pretty big hint that this the True Path To Follow]
- It feels like we're supposed to get some explanation here as to what's going on (like maybe this is supposed to be the Ravel part where it all comes together), & maybe I'm misinterpreting all this dialogue, but it feels like: "A MacGuffin did a MacGuffin which means a MacGuffin (OMG!) makes all of us MacGuffin! And thus we have MacGuffin powers (dun dun!) [I already knew that]. So... we totes need to stop the MacGuffin, or maybe not, because it may or may not MacGuffin us, but who knows? But to do so (or not) you need to find MacGuffin, or maybe MacGuffin will happen. Anyway, nobody really knows?" It's all so vague & nobody knows & due to that, & the jargon, I don't understand why I shouldn't just fuck off & wipe my hands of this.
- Anyway I keep going, because there's more game
- Aadiriis's motives seem pure - esp if you have Matkina with you to question her - I told Matkina to "forgive, but don't forget", & Aadiriis got snippy with me. Don't like her.
- So, I have have to resolve two idiots' argument. To go back to my "influence my Tides" point a few posts above, when I ask them for more information on their feud after hearing both sides, it raises Gold & Indigo. I chose that option simply because I wanted Blue (knowledge). In any case, it oddly seemed to solve the quest just by asking?!? Just asking them for more information, instead of picking a side in their dispute. I'm so confused.
- I thought this was gonna be a big philosophical discussion on which viewpoint was right. Instead - "I need more information" *wins*. I feel like I missed something here. But Aadiriis accepts it. To summarize: heard both sides, chose "I need more info" thinking Blue, got Indigo & Gold, &... done!
- So now Aadiriis wants to hear my view on The Endless Battle, like it's some big "What can change the nature of a man?" question (there's 12 options for answers). Me: "I don't care." Closest thing is "Frankly, it's none of my business."
Not acceptable apparently. 2nd choice: "It's not my business..." That seemed to work.
- I'm not one to look for a "how can I go play a different game?" option, like when people ask why they can't choose to not care about Gorion dying at the start of BG1, or "I don't care about Imoen" in BG2, or just abandon Ten Towns at the start of IWD, because that's rejecting the premise of the game at the start, but this is deep into the story. If I haven't been convinced of a purpose or seen or any reason to care about The Changing God vs. The First Castoff, I feel like at this point that should be a valid response. I've accepted the premise, I've played the story to this point - I still don't see why I should care.
- As an analogy, it'd be more like if Irenicus never did anything to me, Imoen was some stranger who got kidnapped, & the more you found out about the both of them, they both just seemed like assholes AND neither one had any effect on my life. Why do I care?!?
- Anyway, Aadiriis at last let me say that one life only matters insofar as the knowledge it can attain & share (+Blue), so that was nice.
- But she gave me another fucking Merecaster. sigh. And told me to take care of anything else before using it... so, obvious stopping point I guess. I'm about to leave this area.
* I'm obviously taking notes as they happen, not writing this all up in the moment, so reflecting back upon this initial point:
Shouldn't there be, throughout the game, I dunno... factions, or major characters I care about, supporting The Changing God vs the First Castoff? If that's what The Endless Battle is about & it's a thing I should be considering, & I'm supposed to form an opinion about? I met two people arguing 20 feet away from someone who wanted me to make a value judgment on the whole Endless Battle thing; they expressed different views on it. That's pretty much it. I'm supposed to care based on that + the limited comments I've heard so far? It'd be like Ravel asking me to make a value judgment on the Blood War in PS:T - you simply don't have enough information or perspective to go on at that point.
Anyway, I'm about to Merecaster out of Miel Avest & to this point in the game I no more care about the Changing God or the First Incarnation, or who wins the Endless Battle than I do about who started the Polish-Holy Roman Empire War of 1002–1018 (random Google search for an inconsequential war turned this up - but now actually, I might care more about that story - there was an assassination attempt, a King who was crowned at 3-years old & died mysteriously at 21, internal backstabbing on both sides, pagan alliances - a whole Netflix series in the making).
Also, fwiw, swapping out Matkina back out for Erritis right about now before I continue on. Just swapped Matkina in for this part because she's an Incarnation & that seemed obvious.
- So, Miel Avest just seems like a typical city hub. There's a strange obelisk-thingie that you can click on but it just seems add a weird lag to the dialogue, where it starts scrolling very slowly. Eventually I gave up, exited & restarted, problem solved.
- Seems weird that Aadiris's request that I speak to Melmoth didn't add a Journal "Quest" - a very minor thing I admit, just... odd. I mean, I don't need sign posts, just consistency to what I'm already used to. [later EDIT: nevermind - I finally realized these updates show up under the main "The Sanctuary of Miel Avest" - which, heh, I suppose is a pretty big hint that this the True Path To Follow]
- It feels like we're supposed to get some explanation here as to what's going on (like maybe this is supposed to be the Ravel part where it all comes together), & maybe I'm misinterpreting all this dialogue, but it feels like: "A MacGuffin did a MacGuffin which means a MacGuffin (OMG!) makes all of us MacGuffin! And thus we have MacGuffin powers (dun dun!) [I already knew that]. So... we totes need to stop the MacGuffin, or maybe not, because it may or may not MacGuffin us, but who knows? But to do so (or not) you need to find MacGuffin, or maybe MacGuffin will happen. Anyway, nobody really knows?" It's all so vague & nobody knows & due to that, & the jargon, I don't understand why I shouldn't just fuck off & wipe my hands of this.
- Anyway I keep going, because there's more game
- Aadiriis's motives seem pure - esp if you have Matkina with you to question her - I told Matkina to "forgive, but don't forget", & Aadiriis got snippy with me. Don't like her.
- So, I have have to resolve two idiots' argument. To go back to my "influence my Tides" point a few posts above, when I ask them for more information on their feud after hearing both sides, it raises Gold & Indigo. I chose that option simply because I wanted Blue (knowledge). In any case, it oddly seemed to solve the quest just by asking?!? Just asking them for more information, instead of picking a side in their dispute. I'm so confused.
- I thought this was gonna be a big philosophical discussion on which viewpoint was right. Instead - "I need more information" *wins*. I feel like I missed something here. But Aadiriis accepts it. To summarize: heard both sides, chose "I need more info" thinking Blue, got Indigo & Gold, &... done!
- So now Aadiriis wants to hear my view on The Endless Battle, like it's some big "What can change the nature of a man?" question (there's 12 options for answers). Me: "I don't care." Closest thing is "Frankly, it's none of my business."
Not acceptable apparently. 2nd choice: "It's not my business..." That seemed to work.
- I'm not one to look for a "how can I go play a different game?" option, like when people ask why they can't choose to not care about Gorion dying at the start of BG1, or "I don't care about Imoen" in BG2, or just abandon Ten Towns at the start of IWD, because that's rejecting the premise of the game at the start, but this is deep into the story. If I haven't been convinced of a purpose or seen or any reason to care about The Changing God vs. The First Castoff, I feel like at this point that should be a valid response. I've accepted the premise, I've played the story to this point - I still don't see why I should care.
- As an analogy, it'd be more like if Irenicus never did anything to me, Imoen was some stranger who got kidnapped, & the more you found out about the both of them, they both just seemed like assholes AND neither one had any effect on my life. Why do I care?!?
- Anyway, Aadiriis at last let me say that one life only matters insofar as the knowledge it can attain & share (+Blue), so that was nice.
- But she gave me another fucking Merecaster. sigh. And told me to take care of anything else before using it... so, obvious stopping point I guess. I'm about to leave this area.
* I'm obviously taking notes as they happen, not writing this all up in the moment, so reflecting back upon this initial point:
Shouldn't there be, throughout the game, I dunno... factions, or major characters I care about, supporting The Changing God vs the First Castoff? If that's what The Endless Battle is about & it's a thing I should be considering, & I'm supposed to form an opinion about? I met two people arguing 20 feet away from someone who wanted me to make a value judgment on the whole Endless Battle thing; they expressed different views on it. That's pretty much it. I'm supposed to care based on that + the limited comments I've heard so far? It'd be like Ravel asking me to make a value judgment on the Blood War in PS:T - you simply don't have enough information or perspective to go on at that point.
Anyway, I'm about to Merecaster out of Miel Avest & to this point in the game I no more care about the Changing God or the First Incarnation, or who wins the Endless Battle than I do about who started the Polish-Holy Roman Empire War of 1002–1018 (random Google search for an inconsequential war turned this up - but now actually, I might care more about that story - there was an assassination attempt, a King who was crowned at 3-years old & died mysteriously at 21, internal backstabbing on both sides, pagan alliances - a whole Netflix series in the making).
Also, fwiw, swapping out Matkina back out for Erritis right about now before I continue on. Just swapped Matkina in for this part because she's an Incarnation & that seemed obvious.