Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Blaine]

Furthermore, it has no effect on the rate at which traps are detected, because I tested it in front of an undetected trap with a quicksave nearby and there was no discernible difference between NVG on or off.

It might not work when detecting traps, but it does help with detecting creatures. Similarly, enemies have a much easier time detecting the player if he's in a brightly lit area or if they have night vision themselves.

Sounds to me like an oversight that needs fixing. It's not as though light doesn't shine on trap casings, or even just suspicious lumps in the ground.

I'm still not convinced that they help with detecting stealthed enemies, will have to test that later.

Okay - restarted with a spear build. After I saved Newton I went to junktown and got riot gear recipe and made riot gear with shield + iron grip.

This is fucking ridiculous. You block most attacks. It fucking rules.

Yeah, I'm waiting until level 16 to get that, but it's gonna be great. Spear Guard already blocks 80% of melee attacks, eventually 100%; both together with their respective feats will just be the mustard on the hot dog.

 

[Black Angel]

I'm still not convinced that they help with detecting stealthed enemies, will have to test that later.

I think they actually don't. But like Tygrende mentioned, being in brightly lit area makes you, and any stealthed beings for that matter, get detected much, much faster. By this specific mechanism, having NV goggle on will not only offset darkness penalty to precision, but also darkness penalty to detection. Which means, technically, NVG turned on in darkness does help detect stealthed enemies.

 

[Trash Player]

It is not like nades, caltrops and traps are no-go with PSI.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

So spear reminds me a lot of unarmed, in that there are a shitload of feats that interact with each other (in a great way).

 

[Blaine]

I'm still not convinced that they help with detecting stealthed enemies, will have to test that later.

I think they actually don't. But like Tygrende mentioned, being in brightly lit area makes you, and any stealthed beings for that matter, get detected much, much faster. By this specific mechanism, having NV goggle on will not only offset darkness penalty to precision, but also darkness penalty to detection. Which means, technically, NVG turned on in darkness does help detect stealthed enemies.

I certainly recognize that indirect assistance is still assistance. I'm not trying to be cute and claim that NVGs don't TECHNICALLY aid Detection DIRECTLY, so it doesn't COUNT! or anything so obnoxious.

However, I'm still not convinced. NVGs are their own thing, and they may not actually affect stealth/detection, even though they logically should. Within the game code, they may be programmed only to remove ranged accuracy penalties. Styg could probably shed some light on the matter... get it? Shed some light on the matter? Eh? Eh?

 

[Parabalus]

Question about crit damage bonuses, specifically with the katana:

( 3 (base) + 0.5 (Cheap Shots) + (3.5-1) * 1.5 (Critical Power)) * 1.25 (Ripper @ 75% HP target) = 906,25%

Is that right?

How are damage modifiers applied, are they additive or multiplicative? E.g.

35 (average katana damage) * ( 1.07 (7 STR) * 1.25 (Opportunist) ) * 9.0625 (above crit) * (0.5*1.25 ( 50% DR with katana penalty)) = 265

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Fenix]

the psi abilities in Underrail are very similar to standard fantasy spells: there is ice bolt, fireball, chain lightning, fear, confusion, and now also the quivalent of slow & haste thanks to temporal

That's because none-standatd abilities couldn't be applied for combat I guess?

I'm pretty sure AR tin can has harder time on DOMINATING.

Nope, guys at discord told yesterday about how ridiculosly big numbers of damage you can have with specialisation in Concentrated Fire and Full Auto.
And when I'm telling ridiculous I don't mean "nerf it ommediately bre!" I don't care if someone having that kind of fun in Underrail (because for me AR isn't that fun).

Psi didn't escape the nerfhammer

Btw you all can thanks me for that, at least for first iterations of adjusting. Not that I did something genious, I just was first.
I remember how I pretty much one-shotted plasma walkers at Rail Crossing with TKP...

It's stronger than at release

But weaker than before release.

The biggest culprit is LTI + the PSI booster CD nerf, the spirit potions help.

I'm already thinking about how to adjust PTC accurately. )
The other thing about it that is now known yet, and someone toldon discord yesterday is that MP you got from it doesn't affected by armor penalty.
This is really huge, because it allows metal armor users to completely bypass said penalty and get like 50-60-70 MP easily.
Just huge. If it's true of course, I haven't checked it yet.

No, YOU'RE wrong. I just checked in-game, and your Detection score on the combat stats page doesn't change a bit when NVG is switched on.

It shouldn't change, because what it does is not increasing your detection rating, but removing penalty to it from darkness.
Death Stalkers have Darkvision which is the same.

High DEX shy virgin build was the last thing that needed to be nerfed, seriously what the fuck?

That build could keep in Incapacitation that 4 turns long 5 dudes per round, so I dunno how shy it is.

Because even the presence of sorcerers in DnD could be explained by genetics;

What an awful mishmash that modern fantasy is...

I just checked and Temporal Distortion costs 4 PSI points on my Psychosis character, on Tranquility that would be even lower.

Let's be fair - with all endgame stuff, crafting and whatnot.

This is fucking ridiculous. You block most attacks. It fucking rules.

Don't want to ruin your day but - only melee attacks... And melee mechanical...
Is it worth a feat? Dunno.

 

[the mole]

giving weapons 100 percent chance to hit is the solution to the psi imbalance, or allowing psi attacks to be dodged with evasion, a fireball is the same thing as an acid blob, and the player can dodge those, psi has literal better versions of pretty much everything guns can do, only thing that saves guns is burst and commando

what I mean by 100 percent chance to hit is the possibility of 100 percent, not always 100 percent, but if psi gets 100 percent at all times, I'm sure guns could get perfect accuracy as well, why even have dodge and evasion in the game if they have no effect on psi

and psi gets infinite ammo

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Rinslin Merwind]

this is for knives only

In feat description written that it applies to swords too.

 

[Tygrende]

anyone tried to reach 14 cold resist and fight inside cryo gas?

You can do that easily, especially now with bison leather since it gives immunity to chill, but it begs the question: why bother?

 

[the mole]

anyone tried to reach 14 cold resist and fight inside cryo gas?

https://www.underrail.com/wiki/index.php?title=Infused_Bison_Leather

 

[hell bovine]

the psi abilities in Underrail are very similar to standard fantasy spells: there is ice bolt, fireball, chain lightning, fear, confusion, and now also the quivalent of slow & haste thanks to temporal

That's because none-standatd abilities couldn't be applied for combat I guess?

It's not really about the fireballs. It's how the sci-fi aspect of psi is kind of... just there. Psi is supposed to be new to the setting, yet you can easily buy advanced technology enhancing your brain powers. Where does all this tech come from? At the same time no one ever came up with tech that would inhibit brain powers. If you want to tranq a psi, you need to turn to the old hunter ways of fishing.

 

[Trash Player]

the psi abilities in Underrail are very similar to standard fantasy spells: there is ice bolt, fireball, chain lightning, fear, confusion, and now also the quivalent of slow & haste thanks to temporal

That's because none-standatd abilities couldn't be applied for combat I guess?

It's not really about the fireballs. It's how the sci-fi aspect of psi is kind of... just there. Psi is supposed to be new to the setting, yet you can easily buy advanced technology enhancing your brain powers. Where does all this tech come from? At the same time no one ever came up with tech that would inhibit brain powers. If you want to tranq a psi, you need to turn to the old hunter ways of fishing.

Psi is younger than underrail but old enough to be here for more than a century. It has been studied extensively by mutiple parties, including Biocorp, which was essentially the world government until its fall.

 

[hell bovine]

Psi is younger than underrail but old enough to be here for more than a century. It has been studied extensively by mutiple parties, including Biocorp, which was essentially the world government until its fall.

Why no anti-psi tech then?

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Ramnozack]

Does Supersteel do nothing for Machetes? I made a super steel machete and it has a lower crit chance than a normal steel one and it doesn't modify the machete special at all. Is it better to go for tichrome instead? Or stick to normal steel?

 

[Abu Antar]

So... Depot A or go back and visit the Burrowers back at GMS?

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Abu Antar]

visit the Burrowers back at GMS?

Spoiler

no loot worth mentioning, non silent fighting will make you a target of 90% of a swarm. Oddity wise there are 2, obsidian and trilobity i believe... so quite common and you might skip it. You can get 1 easilly with sneak, 2nd is a bit harder. Will involve high sneak, a bit of luck and distracting loud mine placement to get spawn away

Might as well stay away. But knowing myself, I will probably not be able to resist at least a quick glance.

 

[Parabalus]

Nope, guys at discord told yesterday about how ridiculosly big numbers of damage you can have with specialisation in Concentrated Fire and Full Auto.
And when I'm telling ridiculous I don't mean "nerf it ommediately bre!" I don't care if someone having that kind of fun in Underrail (because for me AR isn't that fun).

Have a link?

The big difference is full auto just does bursts, while PSI had ridiculous single target damage, but also AoE, CC, self-buffs.

Let's be fair - with all endgame stuff, crafting and whatnot.

The only endgame stuff is a 35% muffler, you can get a 25% early.

I'm already thinking about how to adjust PTC accurately. )
The other thing about it that is now known yet, and someone toldon discord yesterday is that MP you got from it doesn't affected by armor penalty.
This is really huge, because it allows metal armor users to completely bypass said penalty and get like 50-60-70 MP easily.
Just huge. If it's true of course, I haven't checked it yet.

I'm quite sure it's not affected by armor penalty. Makes sense though, since Sprint also isn't affected.

Ripper

this is for knives only

does relying on crit make sense for such low crit chance weapon? You can get like 11% boost from infused rathound, 15% from drug and 7% from reckless... I still consider this low in total. Do you plan on getting spec points into reckless and be crited quite often?

It works with swords, check description.

Cheap shots and critical power are no brainers, only ripper is questionable because of the needed 5 WILL, that's why I asked about the formula. Crafted machetes can have 10% crit.

 

[ItsChon]

My energy shield blocks dick from the native. Do I need to switch to a low or a medium to deal with the crossbow bolts?

 

[Candide]

Spoiler

Is there anyone who can satisfy my curiosity with the last Rift location before I hit up DC? I'm missing exactly one and it's bugging me, there should be one more somewhere

Spoiler

How do you know the exact number of rifts in the game? Also, where's the Pirate Bay one? I haven't seen anything in Port Ceto.

 

[Elephantman]

Adding even more power to PSI through the use of non-combat stuff is bonkers when he repeatetedly nerfs non-PSI stuff.

All builds are equal but some are more equal than others.

-edit-
I'm super glad to have started the base game as a stealth sniper that finished as AR very much organically.
And now playing PSI with all the great new psi additions =D