Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Parabalus]

Does anybody know where to find the documentation for how everything is calculated? I only have a rough idea how and I am itching to try a dominating run without falling back on anybody else's build or guide.

You won't find formulas for pretty much anything but basic THC. Best bet is to ask here.

 

[madhouse]

Unerrail wiki.

What I'm not getting is if armor penalty affects your AC cost offensively, i.e. will >50% AP affect my AP cost. Testing stuff manually seems pretty tedious.

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thnx
edit2:
So what does armor penantly do then? Tooltip says movement and evasive skills, but I am not sure exactly to what degree.

 

[Sheepherder]

Unerrail wiki.

What I'm not getting is if armor penalty affects your AC cost offensively, i.e. will >50% AP affect my AP cost. Testing stuff manually seems pretty tedious.

edit:
thnx
edit2:
So what does armor penantly do then? Tooltip says movement and evasive skills, but I am not sure exactly to what degree.

https://stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Armor#Armor_penalty

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[madhouse]

Thank you for the tips.

Does Expeditions go on sale often? The more I look at potential builds with expansion, the more I want to buy it. I already tried all the bootleg places that sell legit Steam keys, but they don't have anything good.

 

[Yaz]

As far as I am aware he's generally reluctant to put Underrail on sale as the increased exposure of the game leads to more negative reviews.

I remember some years ago him posting on the website asking the long-standing community to post their reviews as the latest Steam sale period had left Underrail with a streak of negative ones.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

I don't think it's that expensive. Definitely worth the price. It effectively doubles the game's size

 

[Decado]

Just got this game. It's pretty good.

 

[HansDampf]

Uh... How do I trigger the quest in SGS where Harland sends you to investigate the missing security camera? Does it even exist? Before I started the game proper I did a quick test run, played the game for a few hours to see how combat and everything works, to decide what type of character I want to make. I remember that I got this quest from Harland, and that one camera was missing. There was also a hole in the wall nearby that led to a small cave. But with my second character I can't get this quest. The cameras are all intact. And there is no hole in the wall. No cave. Then I checked the wiki, but there is no mention of this quest either! And the page about Harland is basically empty. Am I crazy? Did I just dream about this quest or what? I don't have the save anymore.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

It's a random quest. There are a few areas and dungeons and quests that are completely randomized

 

[HansDampf]

Good to know. It looked like it was leading to a longer quest.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

There are a few good random dungeons as well in the game, as well as random maps. The wiki does have info on that as well.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[madhouse]

I've had two different outcomes for the CCTV quest. One was a psionic going ER on his smuggler buddies who've been bullying him and another one with them being held hostage by plasma bots.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

I enjoy the water treatment facility. Plus there are a lot more agility checks in the game now since I last played.

 

[lukaszek]

deterministic system > RNG

 

[Ghulgothas]

What game have you guys been playing? I'm four characters in and I've only ever seen changes in the Water Treatment Plant and either the Dark Dwellers between the Outposts, the Sentry Facility on the way to Mushroom Cove and the Azuridae Nursery.

Is that stuff just waiting to be discovered out there in the game world?

 

[madhouse]

What game have you guys been playing? I'm four characters in and I've only ever seen changes in the Water Treatment Plant and either the Dark Dwellers between the Outposts, the Sentry Facility on the way to Mushroom Cove and the Azuridae Nursery.

Is that stuff just waiting to be discovered out there in the game world?

Just some random stuff. A small dungeon either appearing south of the Crossroads or inside the facility where you rescue Newton (?). In the former location I also encountered on one ocassion a fake box with two kamikaze bots inside. There's a fish merchant right before Junkyard that I've only seen once too.

 

[Decado]

I always set my expectations with games like these beforehand, in that I know I'm going to have to start over several times before the game "clicks" and I create a build that 1) I like and 2) doesn't suck. I tend to do meat-and-potatoes builds on my first playthroughs as well -- I don't get too creative. So having written that, I'm coming to the realization that a good first-build is an assault rifle/armor build, based on my experience and what I've read.

I have some random questions for the group:

1) Am I right? Is assault rifle/armor a good build for a beginner? If so, what are the good crafting skills that work in tandem with this style?
2) I've been through every level of SGS and talked to everyone -- where's the first place I should I go? Is there a game path/outline/suggested order of events?
3) I've turned on the power generator and lit up three stations. Is there any benefit to lighting up all five?
4) I'm very much enjoying the old-school Fallout feeling of having no armor, very low ammo, and every fight feeling like it could be my last.
5) I'm still using a .44 that got from a persuasion check from the armorer in the beginning. When can I hope to get an assault rifle?
6) Is there any decent way to repair my gun without spending money on a mechanical repair kit, which I currently can not afford?
7) I've been using my .44 to kill rathounds . . . is this a waste? I'm thinking back to Fallout 2 where even if you had a pistol, you were better off saving your ammo when killing things like rats in the beginning. Even with a shit melee skill you could punch rats to death, but I get the sense that is not the case here.

 

[Parabalus]

I always set my expectations with games like these beforehand, in that I know I'm going to have to start over several times before the game "clicks" and I create a build that 1) I like and 2) doesn't suck. I tend to do meat-and-potatoes builds on my first playthroughs as well -- I don't get too creative. So having written that, I'm coming to the realization that a good first-build is an assault rifle/armor build, based on my experience and what I've read.

I have some random questions for the group:

1) Am I right? Is assault rifle/armor a good build for a beginner? If so, what are the good crafting skills that work in tandem with this style?
2) I've been through every level of SGS and talked to everyone -- where's the first place I should I go? Is there a game path/outline/suggested order of events?
3) I've turned on the power generator and lit up three stations. Is there any benefit to lighting up all five?
4) I'm very much enjoying the old-school Fallout feeling of having no armor, very low ammo, and every fight feeling like it could be my last.
5) I'm still using a .44 that got from a persuasion check from the armorer in the beginning. When can I hope to get an assault rifle?
6) Is there any decent way to repair my gun without spending money on a mechanical repair kit, which I currently can not afford?
7) I've been using my .44 to kill rathounds . . . is this a waste? I'm thinking back to Fallout 2 where even if you had a pistol, you were better off saving your ammo when killing things like rats in the beginning. Even with a shit melee skill you could punch rats to death, but I get the sense that is not the case here.

1. Yes, it's simple and generally one of the stronger builds. They're all useful, but the main one is mechanics for weapons, armors and bullets. A few points in chemistry for molotovs (incendiary grenades) makes the early game much more palatable.
2. Until you find the drill component you are somewhat locked in. Just go where you don't get killed, but easiest to follow Tanner's quests.
3. You get more money. A note that quests in this game are easy to fail, with not much acknowledgement of the fact.
4. Part of the charm. Just when you think you got over the hurdle it'll come back and bite you in the ass.
5. You can craft one immediately if you go to Junkyard, either walk to it or from the docks. But you'll likely be strapped for cash.
6. You can craft the repair kit using mechanics
7. Probably, but unless you're on the last difficulty the money isn't that tight. You might be able to do the same here with a high quality armor suit, but it's mostly a waste.

 

[Ol' Willy]

5) I'm still using a .44 that got from a persuasion check from the armorer in the beginning. When can I hope to get an assault rifle?
6) Is there any decent way to repair my gun without spending money on a mechanical repair kit, which I currently can not afford?
7) I've been using my .44 to kill rathounds . . . is this a waste? I'm thinking back to Fallout 2 where even if you had a pistol, you were better off saving your ammo when killing things like rats in the beginning. Even with a shit melee skill you could punch rats to death, but I get the sense that is not the case here.

5) Aside from buying or crafting one, check Under-passages. There is a Lurker with a Marauder rifle and another one with Anti-rifle overcoat. This things are of utmost importance to the brr build in early game
6) Nope. The only way to repair items is buy or craft repair kits - and full-specced disassemble, which comes no earlier than lvl 20
7) .44 ammo is kinda expensive in early game, but using fence-abuse, bear traps and molotovs it doesn't matter much

 

[Ghulgothas]

1) Am I right? Is assault rifle/armor a good build for a beginner? If so, what are the good crafting skills that work in tandem with this style?

Absolutely, a well-built tincan can tank through anything and shred through everything. You'll have to get used to waiting out everyone else's actions first though. Only essentials are Mechanics for guns and Tailoring for armor, after that it's just a matter of what you'd rather craft than buy from someone. Electronics can get you a better shield for tanking and Chemistry can you better more specialized grenades and bullets for slaughtering.

2) I've been through every level of SGS and talked to everyone -- where's the first place I should I go? Is there a game path/outline/suggested order of events?

You won't have to worry about that until you finish Tanners' errand to Junkyard. After that there's no strictly optimal path... but tracking down Jack and Abram in Core City and visiting Rail Crossing is advisable. Before you sign on with one of the companies in Core City.

3) I've turned on the power generator and lit up three stations. Is there any benefit to lighting up all five?

Nothin' but extra credits from Tanner.

4) I'm very much enjoying the old-school Fallout feeling of having no armor, very low ammo, and every fight feeling like it could be my last.

Do a stealth/crossbow build after this one.

5) I'm still using a .44 that got from a persuasion check from the armorer in the beginning. When can I hope to get an assault rifle?

Before you inevitably head out to GMS, make a trek to Junkyard. If you've been investing in mechanics then the 3 to 4 weapon merchants there should have all the parts you'll need, as well as everything for a suit of metal armor.

6) Is there any decent way to repair my gun without spending money on a mechanical repair kit, which I currently can not afford?

I think Harold on level 7 sells the blueprints for recycling items and repair kits. You won't be able to haul and sell all the looted guns lying around, that's a good way to make use of them.

7) I've been using my .44 to kill rathounds . . . is this a waste? I'm thinking back to Fallout 2 where even if you had a pistol, you were better off saving your ammo when killing things like rats in the beginning. Even with a shit melee skill you could punch rats to death, but I get the sense that is not the case here.

Not unless you're on dominating. But you'll want to start hoarding all the relevant ammo calibers you can if you're going for a burst AR build, you'll burn through that stuff and not even know it.

 

[oldmanpaco]

6) Is there any decent way to repair my gun without spending money on a mechanical repair kit, which I currently can not afford?

The first two crafting formulas I buy are recycle items and repair kits. Just recycle all knives and low value fire arms into scrap metal and build repair kits to your hearts desire.

Also don't be like that guy a few pages ago who didn't find the initial repair kits in the lockers in you quarters.

 

[Decado]

6) Is there any decent way to repair my gun without spending money on a mechanical repair kit, which I currently can not afford?

The first two crafting formulas I buy are recycle items and repair kits. Just recycle all knives and low value fire arms into scrap metal and build repair kits to your hearts desire.

Also don't be like that guy a few pages ago who didn't find the initial repair kits in the lockers in you quarters.

Is this randomized? Because I looted everything from my quarters and I got no repair kits.

ETA: Motherfucker, I just went back to my quarters and there was a locker I didn't open. The only one I didn't open. And it had repair kits and armor and flares. I am ashamed, time for sepukku.

 

[madhouse]

Is there even any point in playing dominating difficulty? From my understanding lots of things become useless, like being a tank or having any evasive or dodge skills. Only real way to win is to not be hit in the first place by focusing on a build that can get the highest possible AP with the highest posslby critical chance. I guess hard is more fun because it allows for more builds that are viable and doesn't require metagaming everything. This is the first game in a long time that I've played where the hardest difficulty is actually really hard. I'm realizing my ideas of running a dodge/evasion or tanks don't really hold up. I'll try again after I've beaten the game on several hard runs.

Is this randomized? Because I looted everything from my quarters and I got no repair kits.

Strange. I've started the game with at least 10 different characters and I always found 2 (iirc, maybe 1) repair kits in my room.