Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[Zeem]

FYI there is now a reason to go and assasinate gerhard page
https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Commando_Belt

I was always doing it and Im happy there is actually a reward now.

I was theorizing in past that even on dominating versatile lazor pistols >> expose weakness on stabby builds. This run Im validating that indeed it is the case even without any extra investment(besides versatile feat and being able to craft lazor pistol - because afaik you cant buy/obtain one with better crit multiplier). Now crafting is even easier since few unique items received a boost, also commando belt and tesla armor give you nice improvement.

Epistols don't benefit from EW since they don't deal mech damage. The only exception is Sonocaster, but it ignores like half of DR and all DT anyway. Tesla armor also seems like a suboptimal choice for them if you're going for crits since it lights you up like a Christmas tree at all times denying Ambush and making you an easier target. A good stealth overcoat would probably boost your damage output against anything that isn't crit immune a lot more.
EDIT: Disregard that, my reading comprehension is not up to par today.

 

[Parabalus]

Where can the new gloves https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Remote_Control_Energizer_Glove be found? Is it guaranteed spawn?

edit: apparently from the new phone quest

Any way to scan a game to see what random areas spawned?

None that I know of. You can see if the Ice Tower or the Masters spawned by checking your emails in SGS, but as far as I know, there's no way to know if you get Jet Eater.

Can you port to the quest-giver at the start via editing the save/CE to check if he spawned?

 

[Sheepherder]

Where can the new gloves https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Remote_Control_Energizer_Glove be found? Is it guaranteed spawn?

Any way to scan a game to see what random areas spawned?

None that I know of. You can see if the Ice Tower or the Masters spawned by checking your emails in SGS, but as far as I know, there's no way to know if you get Jet Eater.

Can you port to the quest-giver at the start via editing the save/CE to check if he spawned?

Kinda, yeah. You can teleport within an area using CE, so hop through some rocks, got to Core City and see if the hunter is on the docks. But I'm not 100% sure when the questgiver spawns, he might only appear when Ray opens up his shop, meaning you'll need to visit Black Sea too.

 

[lukaszek]

18 DEX with versatility is basically a pistol build too, you're just potentially missing a few feats.

Very useful with chem/laser pistols for resistant enemies, who don't have as much in the way of feats.

would you also take gun fu?

I never tried it, but it seems pointless to have both that and a knife, both are melee mechanical DPS, one of them will be better?

from my limited char planning perspective it appears that knives are worse than on lazor/knife build due to feat starvation. Id say at this point do take gun fu. Here is something I planned but picked different build in the end:
https://underrail.info/build/?GAMQC...ABLwqMXHSYGEwsRw5HDkksSwp4aR8KF4rWuBOK9hAXfvw
mind you that i wanted to have both cutthroat and execute.
Reason why you stab on my versatile builds is to trigger fancy footwork to outrun melee enemies. Also you swing dagger faster. Didnt do the math, with bullet time you might be able to pull the trigger as fast as swing that knife which would likely make it superior choice.

 

[Parabalus]

18 DEX with versatility is basically a pistol build too, you're just potentially missing a few feats.

Very useful with chem/laser pistols for resistant enemies, who don't have as much in the way of feats.

would you also take gun fu?

I never tried it, but it seems pointless to have both that and a knife, both are melee mechanical DPS, one of them will be better?

from my limited char planning perspective it appears that knives are worse than on lazor/knife build due to feat starvation. Id say at this point do take gun fu. Here is something I planned but picked different build in the end:
https://underrail.info/build/?GAMQC...ABLwqMXHSYGEwsRw5HDkksSwp4aR8KF4rWuBOK9hAXfvw
mind you that i wanted to have both cutthroat and execute.
Reason why you stab on my versatile builds is to trigger fancy footwork to outrun melee enemies. Also you swing dagger faster. Didnt do the math, with bullet time you might be able to pull the trigger as fast as swing that knife which would likely make it superior choice.

Why not use light fist instead?

How good is max throwing is these high DEX builds, with the all the feats/juat fatal throw? Never used throwing knives.

 

[razvedchiki]

this is for firearm pistols or lazer? im confused because you have 8 int but took gun fu that works with gunpowder pistols.

 

[Parabalus]

this is for firearm pistols or lazer? im confused because you have 8 int but took gun fu that works with gunpowder pistols.

No reason not to use chems or lasers vs resistant enemies.

 

[Major_Blackhart]

So what type of claymore is it? Medieval Scottish or Renaissance Scottish, or an Underrail variant?

 

[lukaszek]

Why not use light fist instead?

only because i prefer stabbing over fisting. Also cutthroat requires knife

How good is max throwing is these high DEX builds, with the all the feats/juat fatal throw? Never used throwing knives.

good on paper but then... throwing knives get serious penalty in close range so you sometimes need to step out to step back in.
Whats more its indeed nice to finish enemies for free, or later on earn AP by finishing people. Unless you fail to do it - random misses do happen. And knife throw costs more AP than quick stab.
You dont grab throwing knives to earn ranged utility, their dps is lower than stabbing so you will find yourself just getting in personal range - which also never was a problem for me.
Only reason I found them nice was this rare occasion to apply poison. Now that you can apply poison to melee attacks its gone. I never understood why throwing knives are so underpowered. Styg must be rolling some mad build with them that im not aware.
You know whats better than fatal throw? Not upgraded versatility to pew pew

this is for firearm pistols or lazer? im confused because you have 8 int but took gun fu that works with gunpowder pistols.

No reason not to use chems or lasers vs resistant enemies.

if you want mercantile plus as many crafting as possible - int is required. Gun nut requires 7 int, I just had 1 extra to spare after not going for 5 will.
If you have critical power feat then lazor is likely going to be the only gun you need while beating enemy resistances.

So what type of claymore is it? Medieval Scottish or Renaissance Scottish, or an Underrail variant?

had so many quotes that decided to include this one too

Spoiler

i dont know

 

[ItsChon]

Does the new TC option in DC mean you can murder the Faceless without care?

I assume the TC option is so you can hide your association with Oculus and how they are the mystery organization that probably stole the Cube in the first place. I was always super bummed out when the Faceless found out about them, like I was letting the boys down.

 

[Sheepherder]

How good is max throwing is these high DEX builds, with the all the feats/juat fatal throw? Never used throwing knives.

Depends on what weapon you're using. I've used Fatal Throw to great effect with vers chem pistols, vers ballistic pistols, vers SMGs and a bunch of DEX melee builds. It's better on ranged weapons because t.knives get darkness penalty and since you're already using NVGs for ranged weapons, the darkness penalty doesn't matter.
Fatal Throw also works great on 18 DEX melee builds which use FF for MP. If I get close quarters penalty, I just move away a bit, I have over 200 MP anyways.
In all cases tho, Fatal Throw was a level 20, 22 or 24 feat. It's pointless to use it earlier when the AP return is low due to DEX not being close to 18.

 

[lukaszek]

on dominating, stealing medalion from ethan seems impossible. At least while in SGS. Im lvl 11 with full pickpocket progression, sandwich and ninja feat. Managed to get into stealing window under stealth - medalion is still in red.

How can I become respectable thief again?

 

[Tigranes]

Where is the firearm enthusiast that upgrades the uniques?

supposedly you buy a book from merchant in oculus and bring it to milo

The USB isn't necessary, it just means he charges you less and gets them done faster.
Also yeah, it's Myles. He always wants money, almost always wants a high quality (usually around 120 quality, sometimes higher or lower) weapon frame for spare parts, frequently wants parts like silencers or extended magazines or whatever. You give him the stuff and come back in a while and you get a better gun. You don't get any choice on what parts get used, if he thinks a bipod is appropriate then your gun is getting a bipod, your opinion doesn't matter.
I found a USB with data on just pistols and SMGs in

Spoiler

flooded lost vault

, so if you don't have access to Oculus you can grab that instead. There's probably one for rifles too, but I don't know where.

I've been carrying around a Rifle Technical Manual from

Spoiler

Balor area, interior shelf

But Myles didn't have a dialogue line for it? I now see "Old World Firearms, by MIkhail Browning" from

Spoiler

Oculus merchant

 

[Spark Mandriller]

I've been carrying around a Rifle Technical Manual from

Spoiler

Balor area, interior shelf

But Myles didn't have a dialogue line for it? I now see "Old World Firearms, by MIkhail Browning" from

Spoiler

Oculus merchant

You have to bring him a gun and ask him to upgrade it, then ask for a discount. After that you should get the option to give manuals to him.

 

[Tigranes]

OK, yeah, figured it out now and tried upgrading the Steyr-Auch. Not bad, seems like a way to prolong lifespan of uniques - but when the hell is a non-speedhack player supposed to just come across a 135qual Hornet frame?

 

[Major_Blackhart]

Hey I've found them.

They're for completionists.

 

[Black Angel]

I assume the TC option is so you can hide your association with Oculus and how they are the mystery organization that probably stole the Cube in the first place. I was always super bummed out when the Faceless found out about them, like I was letting the boys down.

Where was it implied that the Oculus was responsible for stealing the Cube in the first place? They're pretty much close associate of Six, who's hunting down Tanner, who in turn the real mastermind behind stealing the Cube. Unless I missed the part where Tanner even managed to manipulate the Oculus? Was it post-DC conversation with Azif?

 

[ItsChon]

I assume the TC option is so you can hide your association with Oculus and how they are the mystery organization that probably stole the Cube in the first place. I was always super bummed out when the Faceless found out about them, like I was letting the boys down.

Where was it implied that the Oculus was responsible for stealing the Cube in the first place? They're pretty much close associate of Six, who's hunting down Tanner, who in turn the real mastermind behind stealing the Cube. Unless I missed the part where Tanner even managed to manipulate the Oculus? Was it post-DC conversation with Azif?

Unless I'm mistaken, after the Faceless Mind Reader scans your brain in Talos Outpost, and you have the opportunity to ask the Commander questions, one of the questions allows you to inquire about who stole the Cube from the faceless in the first place. The Commander states that they don't know who, but he says something along the lines of "That being said, now that we've taken a look at your memories, it does open up new possibilities about the identity of the culprit, as we had no idea that such a SECRET organization existed (referencing Oculus)" or something like that. Am I crazy, or does anyone else remember a line to this effect?

 

[lukaszek]

I assume the TC option is so you can hide your association with Oculus and how they are the mystery organization that probably stole the Cube in the first place. I was always super bummed out when the Faceless found out about them, like I was letting the boys down.

Where was it implied that the Oculus was responsible for stealing the Cube in the first place? They're pretty much close associate of Six, who's hunting down Tanner, who in turn the real mastermind behind stealing the Cube. Unless I missed the part where Tanner even managed to manipulate the Oculus? Was it post-DC conversation with Azif?

Unless I'm mistaken, after the Faceless Mind Reader scans your brain in Talos Outpost, and you have the opportunity to ask the Commander questions, one of the questions allows you to inquire about who stole the Cube from the faceless in the first place. The Commander states that they don't know who, but he says something along the lines of "That being said, now that we've taken a look at your memories, it does open up new possibilities about the identity of the culprit, as we had no idea that such a SECRET organization existed (referencing Oculus)" or something like that. Am I crazy, or does anyone else remember a line to this effect?

I remember reading about oculus being the ones to steal it, but somewhere else



I've rushed for cleaver straight after passages got opened. Well first Ive gotten kukri then I rushed there. Cutthroat feat makes it easy to kill humanoid domi bosses even when you are still weak. No ripper, no power criticals meant that I actually had to cut his throat twice.
What I found surprising is that cutthroat cant be executed against stunned enemies.

Cant say im impressed so far. At lvl 12 its 11AP vs 8AP on kukri and it hurts my fancy footwork and cheap shot chances.
Cleaving ability is nice, although 3 turns cd makes its usefulness questionable. Obviously cleaver is best weapon to be used with cutthroat that got constant 25ap cost.

Ill play until 16th when I'll have both critical power and brutalize. At that point I should be able to get full progression on evasion too. Basically I want to see in action if yell makes evasion worth it on dominating.

Now I guess im off to get easy balor kill. Cutthroat with cleaver in hand should decapitate imo

 

[Wunderbar]

Also yeah, it's Myles. He always wants money, almost always wants a high quality (usually around 120 quality, sometimes higher or lower) weapon frame for spare parts, frequently wants parts like silencers or extended magazines or whatever. You give him the stuff and come back in a while and you get a better gun. You don't get any choice on what parts get used, if he thinks a bipod is appropriate then your gun is getting a bipod, your opinion doesn't matter.

i wonder if it's seeded, or you can save-scum a desireable result.

 

[Parabalus]

I assume the TC option is so you can hide your association with Oculus and how they are the mystery organization that probably stole the Cube in the first place. I was always super bummed out when the Faceless found out about them, like I was letting the boys down.

Where was it implied that the Oculus was responsible for stealing the Cube in the first place? They're pretty much close associate of Six, who's hunting down Tanner, who in turn the real mastermind behind stealing the Cube. Unless I missed the part where Tanner even managed to manipulate the Oculus? Was it post-DC conversation with Azif?

Unless I'm mistaken, after the Faceless Mind Reader scans your brain in Talos Outpost, and you have the opportunity to ask the Commander questions, one of the questions allows you to inquire about who stole the Cube from the faceless in the first place. The Commander states that they don't know who, but he says something along the lines of "That being said, now that we've taken a look at your memories, it does open up new possibilities about the identity of the culprit, as we had no idea that such a SECRET organization existed (referencing Oculus)" or something like that. Am I crazy, or does anyone else remember a line to this effect?

I remember reading about oculus being the ones to steal it, but somewhere else



I've rushed for cleaver straight after passages got opened. Well first Ive gotten kukri then I rushed there. Cutthroat feat makes it easy to kill humanoid domi bosses even when you are still weak. No ripper, no power criticals meant that I actually had to cut his throat twice.
What I found surprising is that cutthroat cant be executed against stunned enemies.

Cant say im impressed so far. At lvl 12 its 11AP vs 8AP on kukri and it hurts my fancy footwork and cheap shot chances.
Cleaving ability is nice, although 3 turns cd makes its usefulness questionable. Obviously cleaver is best weapon to be used with cutthroat that got constant 25ap cost.

Ill play until 16th when I'll have both critical power and brutalize. At that point I should be able to get full progression on evasion too. Basically I want to see in action if yell makes evasion worth it on dominating.

Now I guess im off to get easy balor kill. Cutthroat with cleaver in hand should decapitate imo

Does the kukri expose weakness stack?

OK, yeah, figured it out now and tried upgrading the Steyr-Auch. Not bad, seems like a way to prolong lifespan of uniques - but when the hell is a non-speedhack player supposed to just come across a 135qual Hornet frame?

There's a better option compared to speedhack or merchant refresh - the table lets you edit the quality directly.

 

[Black Angel]

Unless I'm mistaken, after the Faceless Mind Reader scans your brain in Talos Outpost, and you have the opportunity to ask the Commander questions, one of the questions allows you to inquire about who stole the Cube from the faceless in the first place. The Commander states that they don't know who, but he says something along the lines of "That being said, now that we've taken a look at your memories, it does open up new possibilities about the identity of the culprit, as we had no idea that such a SECRET organization existed (referencing Oculus)" or something like that. Am I crazy, or does anyone else remember a line to this effect?

I remember reading about oculus being the ones to steal it, but somewhere else

That line from the Faceless Commander was probably referencing the fact that Six, who's hunting Tanner, is an associate of the Oculus. But still, yeah, idk, gotta play again to confirm this for sure.

 

[Diggfinger]

https://underrail.info/build/?HgMFA...AAVCtiJyIsKjgCwoBLajEvATPCpMK1CuKnvgrirLQF378

New build

Freeze and shoot to pieces? Obliterate with beams later. Is that it? I'd squeeze TM anyway

It's a crit build that uses freeze as support in the early-mid game. Your main psi hability will be thermodynamic destabilization to transform beefy enemies in powerful live grenades. You'll be doing A LOT of damage from the bolts alone with specced critical power + elemental bolts + sharpshooter. Late game you'll be sitting in almost 100% crit chance (not counting ambush) and being able to shoot a plasma beam for free action points with crit on demand using mania

SHOOP DA WHOOP

thermodynamic destabilization belongs to metathermics right?
Seeing as how you have 160 points in that and 0 in temporal manipulation.

And why do you have so much const?
Just for XP bonus or something else too?

 

[lukaszek]

Unless I'm mistaken, after the Faceless Mind Reader scans your brain in Talos Outpost, and you have the opportunity to ask the Commander questions, one of the questions allows you to inquire about who stole the Cube from the faceless in the first place. The Commander states that they don't know who, but he says something along the lines of "That being said, now that we've taken a look at your memories, it does open up new possibilities about the identity of the culprit, as we had no idea that such a SECRET organization existed (referencing Oculus)" or something like that. Am I crazy, or does anyone else remember a line to this effect?

I remember reading about oculus being the ones to steal it, but somewhere else

That line from the Faceless Commander was probably referencing the fact that Six, who's hunting Tanner, is an associate of the Oculus. But still, yeah, idk, gotta play again to confirm this for sure.

i remember there were discussions that azif likely sent player to steal cube in first place

Does the kukri expose weakness stack?

no. Crippling does up to 3 times

There's a better option compared to speedhack or merchant refresh - the table lets you edit the quality directly.

i guess those components are easy to ocme by if you have acccess to special stock through mercantile?

 

[Parabalus]

How effective is TC with 5 WILL (173 eff) on DOM? Never tried it with less than 18 before.

Also, the two new TC spells, are they any good? Do you lose the MCT skill bonus if the target dies?