Underrail: The Incline Awakens

[lukaszek]

Wtf, I'm letting the Faceless commander read my mind in Deep Caverns, and I pass the Thought Control check, but then they turn hostile anyway. Wtf!

Did you accept the Tchortist quest to scout out Faceless Positions? Doing so will immediately turn the Faceless hostile after they do a Thought Control check, unless your will is high enough to prevent mental probing.

No, I haven't encountered anyone else yet.

I think this is a bug.

https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Befriend_the_Faceless
you got whole list of possible reasons there. If I get it right thought control is about penalty from x faceless kills, not your quest deeds

 

[Forest Dweller]

Wtf, I'm letting the Faceless commander read my mind in Deep Caverns, and I pass the Thought Control check, but then they turn hostile anyway. Wtf!

Did you accept the Tchortist quest to scout out Faceless Positions? Doing so will immediately turn the Faceless hostile after they do a Thought Control check, unless your will is high enough to prevent mental probing.

No, I haven't encountered anyone else yet.

I think this is a bug.

https://www.stygiansoftware.com/wiki/index.php?title=Befriend_the_Faceless
you got whole list of possible reasons there. If I get it right thought control is about penalty from x faceless kills, not your quest deeds

What I literally see in my playthrough:

Based on that description they shouldn't know ANY activities of mine that would be considered hostile. If that's not the case it's either a bug or bad writing/design.

Also, even if it doesn't "count" the quest-related activities I should still be okay. I killed the Faceless in Buzzer's shop, but I negotiated peacefully with the ones near Foundry. The one in Core City I'm pretty sure I just left alone. That should at least get me to neutral standing if nothing else.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

I killed the Faceless in Buzzer's shop

Welp, here is the reason, you can get away with killing max 2 of them and there are 3 guards on the first floor.

 

[BlackAdderBG]

I killed the Faceless in Buzzer's shop

Welp, here is the reason, you can get away with killing max 2 of them and there are 3 guards on the first floor.

guy, the whole reason for the thought control check is so you can get away all the shit you might have pulled

Oh I misunderstood then, sorry.

 

[FreshCorpse]

Gah I just noticed I took the wrong perk earlier. Must have mis-read the description and didn't realise it was shotgun specific. Wish there was a respec. Don't know why it can't have a respec like Witcher 1 (or 2?) where you get one respec per game to fix mistakes.

 

[Forest Dweller]

what's your thought control score, Forest Dweller

122 effective. I think base is 70.

The wiki says it's the effective score that matters.

 

[Forest Dweller]

what's your thought control score, Forest Dweller

122 effective. I think base is 70.

The wiki says it's the effective score that matters.

isn't the check for the tip top most successful outcome score like 130? maybe you're getting the less than best result

I don't see anything about that anywhere.

If so, it should be telegraphed better. There's nothing ambiguous about this dialogue:

 

[Forest Dweller]

Well, I managed to edit my save as described on this page and pass the mindreading:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2290895994

The unpacker that's linked to on that page did not work; however 7zip did, once I figured out exactly what to do.

Just hope I haven't fucked up my save in some other way.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

There's nothing ambiguous about this dialogue

It's crazy techno-future-space-spirit-telepathy, the description only describes the PC experience, "divert away"? the reader might pick up on that, you don't know, the fuck it's not ambiguous.

 

[Zeem]

Gah I just noticed I took the wrong perk earlier. Must have mis-read the description and didn't realise it was shotgun specific. Wish there was a respec. Don't know why it can't have a respec like Witcher 1 (or 2?) where you get one respec per game to fix mistakes.

Live with your mistakes or restart/reload. A single wasted feat point in a gun build is not fatal, so you can just chalk it up to learning experience. Do make sure to read feat descriptions carefully from now on, they often have very specific wording.

 

[Tygrende]

Gah I just noticed I took the wrong perk earlier. Must have mis-read the description and didn't realise it was shotgun specific. Wish there was a respec. Don't know why it can't have a respec like Witcher 1 (or 2?) where you get one respec per game to fix mistakes.

Some skills/feats are more useful for getting through early game while others offer more value later, without respec all of this has to be considered when making a choice what to pick and when. Also, among other things, even a one time respec could be used to reap benefit from certain skills/feats and then benefit from other skills/feats later while still keeping the benefit from the former. Craft enough drugs/grenades to last you a lifetime, then put all those points into something else. Open relevant doors, pass relevant dialogue, etc.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Should I start a new playthrough for Expedition, or should I pick up where my previous character left off?

 

[Abu Antar]

Pick up.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

I see, so I won't be too overleveled for it? My previous character was on Classic Exp on normal difficulty and cleared the deep caverns.
He was also a stealth sniper. Do you get new sniper rifles in expedition?

 

[Abu Antar]

I never used snipers. I played the game once as an unarmed mage, and I have a shotgun/grenadier run.

I went in at level 12/normal/oddities run.

 

[ItsChon]

CthuluIsSpy I recommend restarting personally. You'll be missing out on some great encounters if you go in so overleveled. I usually recommend going in around level 15-18, but I play the game on Dominating so that is flexible.

 

[HeatEXTEND]

Pick up.

Unless he somehow doesn't have stealth or aoe

 

[Zariusz]

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Pick up.

Unless he somehow doesn't have stealth or aoe

I'm really tempted to do a heavy shotgunner build for expedition. Which means no stealth :/
How hard is Oddity compared to Classic? Should I go Normal Oddity or go straight to Hard Oddity? Apparently there's new encounters on hard?

 

[Grunker]

Oddity Dominating is the way to fly

 

[ItsChon]

Dominating can be rough but Oddity is amazing. I'd consider it a must-use XP system.

 

[Abu Antar]

I think that if you have done normal once, you should have enough understanding for game systems to go higher.

If you did regular exp. go oddities for your second run. I leveled way faster with regular exp.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Yeah I beat the base game on Classic Exp on Normal.
I too noticed you level way faster on classic. I think I did the Foundry at something like level 16 or 18, and reached the level cap way before DC?

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

Do I need thick skull when going for a heavy armour build? I'm trying to make a heavy shotgunner, but if I go int 7 for those nice crafting perks I lose out on thick skull.
Right now I have 8S, 8C, 8P and 7int. 3 Everything else. Which means 3 Dex so no traps and throwing, sadly.

Also, is it worth going melee / shotgunner to go with the metal armour's stat investment? Or do shotguns just render melee completely redundant?
What's the earliest you can get a shotgun, without needing to invest in persuasion?

 

[ItsChon]

Do I need thick skull when going for a heavy armour build? I'm trying to make a heavy shotgunner, but if I go int 7 for those nice crafting perks I lose out on thick skull.

Not needed at all. Bullhead does essentially the same thing for free.

Also, is it worth going melee / shotgunner to go with the metal armour's stat investment? Or do shotguns just render melee completely redundant?
What's the earliest you can get a shotgun, without needing to invest in persuasion?

Usually people grab a Spear as their first weapon due to how effective it is against Rathounds, and then once they get a Shotgun they're good to go. You can sometimes find a frame in the Crossroads, but if not you should be able to maybe buy one from the store or find one in GMS.