World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[rusty_shackleford]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

because the sabbat are being controlled by a secret group of vampires who themselves are being controlled by a true secret group of vampires who fight interdimensional aliens
(I'm being 100% serious)

 

[Storyfag]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

because the sabbat are being controlled by a secret group of vampires who themselves are being controlled by a true secret group of vampires who fight interdimensional aliens
(I'm being 100% serious)

The Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand has been declared a mistake by the authors themselves, shortly after publication.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

because the sabbat are being controlled by a secret group of vampires who themselves are being controlled by a true secret group of vampires who fight interdimensional aliens
(I'm being 100% serious)

The Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand has been declared a mistake by the authors themselves, shortly after publication.

too late, secret sect of secret sect of vampires fighting cthulu is fair game for vtmb2

 

[Harry Easter]

The Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand has been declared a mistake by the authors themselves, shortly after publication.

So, they DID fight Aliens? That's even too much for Vampire oO.

 

[Roguey]

Yeah, all kinds of mythological stuff is fine, but sci fi is tonally weird.

 

[Grunker]

guys i already told you dis. surface wod worldbuilding = good, but don't go beneath the surface. only despair and WHACK SHIT lies there

 

[Sacred82]

Yeah, all kinds of mythological stuff is fine, but sci fi is tonally weird.

the Vampires will be our last defense when the aliens attack

 

[Harry Easter]

the Vampires will be our last defense when the aliens attack

Would play that game in a different setting, though.

 

[fantadomat]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

because the sabbat are being controlled by a secret group of vampires who themselves are being controlled by a true secret group of vampires who fight interdimensional aliens
(I'm being 100% serious)

The Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand has been declared a mistake by the authors themselves, shortly after publication.

too late, secret sect of secret sect of vampires fighting cthulu is fair game for vtmb2

Half the shit in PP games that was added later is a fucking mistake. PP lore is added by a bunch of different people with different ideas,it always end up as mishmash of retarded diarrhea and some genuinely interesting things.

 

[frajaq]

That's why if the devs are smart they only use the good and cool things of the setting, and quietly ignore the retarded shit. If any moron complains you can go "we ran out of resources/did not fit the story and theme of the game"

 

[Cael]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

because the sabbat are being controlled by a secret group of vampires who themselves are being controlled by a true secret group of vampires who fight interdimensional aliens
(I'm being 100% serious)

The Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand has been declared a mistake by the authors themselves, shortly after publication.

too late, secret sect of secret sect of vampires fighting cthulu is fair game for vtmb2

Heh. The whole idea of the Technocracy is to prevent that kind of shit. "We will school the masses in SCIENCE so that they won't accidentally dream up Cthulu space aliens and destroy us all!" Of course, they fuck up the whole magic thing along the way by making the world so rigid that any little thing out of place can result in a paradox backlash, but as one of their main spheres is stasis, I suppose it does make sense...

 

[Delterius]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

because the sabbat are being controlled by a secret group of vampires who themselves are being controlled by a true secret group of vampires who fight interdimensional aliens
(I'm being 100% serious)

The Dirty Secrets of the Black Hand has been declared a mistake by the authors themselves, shortly after publication.

every rules system has at least one Complete Book of Elves, but White Wolf published several

never forget http://destroythis.blogspot.com/2014/07/intro.html

 

[Life of the Party]

Cthulhu is to XXI century worldbuilding what Hitler is to internet discussions.

 

[fantadomat]

Cthulhu is to XXI century worldbuilding what Hitler is to internet discussions.

A ray of hope that ends up as a life shattering disappointment?

 

[Zer0wing]

A ray of hope that ends up as a life shattering disappointment?

Your ancestors thought the same.

 

[Luckmann]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

Because people both in the Camarilla and the Sabbat both have it as their sole job description to cover up Sabbat masquerade breaches. Even their mayhem tend to get pinned on terrorists and shit, and this was before everyone had a camera phone.

 

[deuxhero]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

I thought the Sabbat believed in the Masquerade, they just liked pushing it so the Camarilla wasted resources cleaning up after them.

 

[ArchAngel]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

I thought the Sabbat believed in the Masquerade, they just liked pushing it so the Camarilla wasted resources cleaning up after them.

That is not how I understood their description from the rulebooks. Hard to rule humans and do whatever you want with them and keep the masquerade. Most Camarilla clans can at least move among humans and not be immediately recognized as non humans.

 

[Lacrymas]

The Lasombra and the Tzimisce, the ruling clans of the Sabbat, do value cunning and secrecy. The biggest difference between the Sabbat and the Camarilla is their divergent opinions and stances on the mythological history of the vampires. The Sabbat were right before Gehenna was retconned, like I said, so there's that. The sane thing to do is not to have them run around the streets, unless there's some really freakish storm in which nothing can really be seen clearly or there are no humans around. What the setting needs is a valid ideological struggle and ideas for ordering vampire society between the C and the S. Trying to fight against the antediluvians when they aren't 100% sure they exist is fine and all, but it's not enough, it needs something more immediate.

 

[J1M]

The Lasombra and the Tzimisce, the ruling clans of the Sabbat, do value cunning and secrecy. The biggest difference between the Sabbat and the Camarilla is their divergent opinions and stances on the mythological history of the vampires. The Sabbat were right before Gehenna was retconned, like I said, so there's that. The sane thing to do is not to have them run around the streets, unless there's some really freakish storm in which nothing can really be seen clearly or there are no humans around. What the setting needs is a valid ideological struggle and ideas for ordering vampire society between the C and the S. Trying to fight against the antediluvians when they aren't 100% sure they exist is fine and all, but it's not enough, it needs something more immediate.

I liked the book of Caine, but I'm not familiar with this ideological divide. Please elaborate.

 

[Lacrymas]

You mean what the main difference is? Since there's no valid ideological divide, the Sabbat just think of themselves as gods among insects and they want to rule over the humans like cattle. The actually valid difference is that the Sabbat want to get ready to fight the antediluvians, who they think exist, and they were correct to do so. Since the canon is now fuzzy whether the Ravnos antediluvian rose or not, it's still not clear whether they are still correct like pre-retcon. The Camarilla officially don't support the mythological narrative. The setting needs more elaboration between the two sects, which don't boil down to the Sabbat being what they've been stereotyped as.

By "valid" I mean something that is ...more nuanced. Sure, you can think of yourself as greater, and that's edgy, but it's boring and shallow. The edge needs to mature.

 

[Zombra]

The Sabbat think of themselves as gods and want to rule over the humans like cattle.

That sentence parses a little weird ... I found myself thinking how to rephrase it properly and it turned into "The Sabbat want to rule over the humans like cattle ranchers." Kinda changes the imagery, don't you think?

 

[Delterius]

You mean what the main difference is? Since there's no valid ideological divide, the Sabbat just think of themselves as gods among insects and they want to rule over the humans like cattle. The actually valid difference is that the Sabbat want to get ready to fight the antediluvians, who they think exist, and they were correct to do so. Since the canon is now fuzzy whether the Ravnos antediluvian rose or not, it's still not clear whether they are still correct like pre-retcon. The Camarilla officially don't support the mythological narrative. The setting needs more elaboration between the two sects, which don't boil down to the Sabbat being what they've been stereotyped as.

By "valid" I mean something that is ...more nuanced. Sure, you can think of yourself as greater, and that's edgy, but it's boring and shallow. The edge needs to mature.

as far as north america is concerned, the camarilla are canadians, the sabbat are mexicans and the anarchs are californians

do you want even more??

 

[Goral]

That is not the problem with Sabbat. The real narrative problem was how Vampires managed to keep themselves hidden when you had Sabbat running around the streets and causing mayhem.

Because people both in the Camarilla and the Sabbat both have it as their sole job description to cover up Sabbat masquerade breaches. Even their mayhem tend to get pinned on terrorists and shit, and this was before everyone had a camera phone.

To be honest, even with smartphones unless The Sabbat would do something of epic proportions no one in his right mind would believe they are vampires, at least not right away (it would take many, many incidents for people to start wondering what's going on and to notice that they aren't your average terrorists). Strange body disfigurement would have been explained with makeup or CGI, strange powers with FX (smoke and mirrors) or CGI and blood sucking with some sect or something.
Also, there are many people who eat blood, me included (directly or less directly), in Poland two of the more popular dishes are kaszanka (blood sausage) and czernina (you don't want to get it for dinner at your girlfriend's house because it means you've been rejected). Both are very tasty (czernina with potato noodles is just great). We also have something in common with Nagaraja because we eat flaki (flaki means guts, although it's made from beef tripe) which is another superb dish (very aromatic).

Sabbat just think of themselves as gods among insects and they want to rule over the humans like cattle

It always makes me laugh because all vampires could easily be destroyed by sunlight. What's more, the fact alone that humans haven't been eradicated centuries ago (when only low generation vampires existed) suggests that they weren't powerful enough to conquer the world.

 

[Prime Junta]

the fact alone that humans haven't been eradicated centuries ago (when only low generation vampires existed) suggests that they weren't powerful enough to conquer the world.

They’re parasites. If they eradicate the host, they die next.