World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Jedi Exile]

This doesn't bode well for this game. Sounds just like Alpha Protocol which was delayed, was still released unfinished and flopped.

That's a really random comparison, and you're also missing part of the story. Though Sega delayed Alpha Protocol from 2009 to June 2010, they didn't let Obsidian do any work on the game after late 2009.

And we learnt this only afterwards. When the game was delayed, they also claimed they wanted to polish it more, which is the standard thing to say in such cases (sometimes it is true, sometimes it points out to lack of money etc.).

 

[Zombra]

BREAKING NEWS
For the first time in 10 years, the development of a video game has been delayed. Since conditions and implications are likely identical, experts are analyzing the one other time this ever happened.

 

[Dodo1610]

Good, this game needs a lot more polishing.

 

[Nines_Anarch]

 

[DalekFlay]

Take your time, do it right.

 

[Goose]

All hope is lost

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Take your time, do it right.

oh come on, we both know it's still going to be awful

 

[BANANA CONDUCT]

All hope is lost

Shut the fuck up or I'll put mustard on your wings again

 

[Wesp5]

I think this is the right decision. Two things made Bloodlines 1 fail commercially: 1. it was released unfinished and buggy and 2. it was released at the same day as blockbuster Half-Life 2. Bloodlines 2 should not make the same mistakes!

 

[NullFlow]

This was the wisest thing to do. The game did not look ready for early 2020 with its lack of refinement and it would get murdered in sales by its competition in Q1 2020.

 

[Perkel]

Two things made Bloodlines 1 fail commercially

I think it was lack of PR. Back then people didn't give a shit about bugs like today.

 

[Roguey]

Even after all the polish, it's going to look like junk after Cyberpunk, just as AP looked like junk after ME2 and no amount of additional polish was going to make up for that.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Even after all the polish, it's going to look like junk after Cyberpunk, just as AP looked like junk after ME2 and no amount of additional polish was going to make up for that.

Buy you see, they can always use the time to polish the political-correctness of the game, and as we know, that's what *really* matters.

 

[Prime Junta]

Even after all the polish, it's going to look like junk after Cyberpunk, just as AP looked like junk after ME2 and no amount of additional polish was going to make up for that.

We're well into the diminishing returns point with graphics upgrades. It won't look as good but only A-grade graphics whores will pay attention. It'll stand or fall on art direction, not technology. Applies to both games.

 

[Fedora Master]

They realized they needed time to code in more gender options.

 

[HansDampf]

What a surprising turn of events.

 

[Perkel]

We're well into the diminishing returns point with graphics upgrades. It won't look as good but only A-grade graphics whores will pay attention. It'll stand or fall on art direction, not technology. Applies to both games.

People said that before when Dragon Age Inqusition won GOTY in major outlets. And then year later Witcher 3 hit and all of those outlets described DAI as some sort of stone age game.

It is about full package now. It is not just graphics technology alone. TW3 had impressive graphics technology but you could easily name 5 other games that had better tech. The difference was in how TW3 used that tech and other stuff that is contained in full package. Like Animation, how characters gesticulate, make eye contact, use props.

And CB2077 looks like even ups that ante as in marriages "cinematic" charcter dialogs from TW3 with real time gameplay where you can stop that talk almost at any time or modify it via doing something with charcters reacting to that dynamically (though we don't know if this was just for demo as fake or this will be used in whole game)

Bloodlines was actually one of the first RPGs that introduced character gesticulation and expressive dialogs. It also was inspiration for TW3 devs (along gothic)

 

[Van-d-all]

The game did not look ready for early 2020 with its lack of refinement

Thing is, it probably won't change much meantime.

 

[Daedalos]

Staying far away from march/april release-date is wise. Cyberpunk 2077 is gonna make everybody their bitch around that 1-4 month period, so best to release late 2020.

I wonder what Fargo and Wasteland 3 thinks about releasing it close to CP

 

[Jedi Exile]

I wonder what Fargo and Wasteland 3 thinks about releasing it close to CP

Wasteland 3 is a very different game, aimed at different audience.

 

[Daedalos]

I wonder what Fargo and Wasteland 3 thinks about releasing it close to CP

Wasteland 3 is a very different game, aimed at different audience.

Doesn't matter what game it is. Cyberpunk 2077 is gonna suck every ounce of interest out of the rest of releases those entire months, trust me. It's gonna vacuum everything. Steer clear of that release-date regardless of what game you're trying to release (almost) :p

 

[Jedi Exile]

Well, I am not going to play Cyberpunk (at least on release date), but I will certainly play Wasteland 3 :D

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

but I will certainly play Wasteland 3

Don't mean to shit on your parade, but i'm having difficulty being excited for anything involving Fargo after the mediocre W2, the middling BT4, and the disastrous BT4 enhanced edition. There is literally 0 reason to be excited for W3.

 

[Prime Junta]

Don't mean to shit on your parade, but i'm having difficulty being excited for anything involving Fargo after the mediocre W2, the middling BT4, and the disastrous BT4 enhanced edition. There is literally 0 reason to be excited for W3.

You forgot T:ToN.

Spoiler

Probably for the better.

I'm not boycotting them or anything but W3 is definitely a "hold." If somebody whose taste I respect plays it and likes it I might go for it but otherwise

 

[Jedi Exile]

If Wasteland 3 will be on par with Wasteland 2, it will be good enough for me because I've finished Wasteland 2 and liked it. If not, then I will not look into InXile games anymore. Can't say anything about Torment because I've played it only for a little while and haven't formed my opinion about it. What I was saying about Wasteland 3 and Cyberpunk was that they are aimed at different audiences and Cyberpunk won't kill Wasteland 3 because people who are interested in Wasteland 3 will play it regardless of Cyberpunk. As for Bloodlines 2, it is much more similar for Cyperpunk and could suffer from competition with it. The wise way would be to stress how much different they are and that Bloodlines is more about role-playing and writing while Cyberpunk is primarily an action game (as much as I know, I haven't followed Cyberpunk closely). So the disaster with Half-Life 2 won't be repeated.