Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[NecroLord]

How about keep your politics out of my RPGs?

Niggas don't listen to this, bro.
It's all political now.
Aka them shoving their westoid, far left woke shit into every piece of media they can.

 

[The_Mask]

It's all political now.

There is plenty of entertainment, RPGs included, that are not political at all, and aim to entertain you. Not sure why we have to be dim about this piece of the pie existing.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Do you play RPGs for the politics, or the gameplay and story?

I don't play nu-RPGs. Must be hard to imagine life without goyslop for a goyslop addict.

 

[The_Mask]

I don't play nu-RPGs.

That doesn't excuse your posts above.

"I'm allowed to shit in this thread, because you can't smell shit when your head is in the ground" LOL?

 

[notpl]

@Owlcat_Eyler what's your purpose here? What does Owlcat hope to get out of having a member post on the forums? What kind of Codex member interactions are you hoping for? For instance, does Owlcat want, or care about, gameplay suggestions? Art direction? UI? If so, what kind? Are suggestions for major changes still useful, or are most features locked in at this point?

I doubt that these questions will ever be answered, especially right now as the game is being made.

I guess a question that this person might be able to answer would be something like: why did Owlcat, essentially, stop all communication with us during WOTR? Because, for better or worse, Julia would answer some aspects of our conversations/questions while Kingmaker was hot during her Twitch streams, but then... during WOTR there was basically radio silence. Why?

Did you boys know the game was going to be a mediocre mess?

For the record, nobody outside of like 30 dudes on this forum thinks WOTR was a "mediocre mess."

 

[The_Mask]

For the record, nobody outside of like 30 dudes on this forum thinks WOTR was a "mediocre mess."

Do I want to know what the general consensus of the general masses is? Break it to me, not-Polish man. What does everyone else think?

 

[santino27]

I'll try be be as nice as possible, so starting by baby step : please hire, summon or kidnapp someone that actually know the importance of lightning and contrast , be it for the portrait or the artistic direction in general. This was unforgivable :

For fuck sake, Prosper even beat you at that

Also I see that no one even make an allusion about bug that might or might not still be present in past game in apocalyptical proportion. Good thing, we aren't ready to have this discussion yet.

I'd say the bigger problem is the character was an awful, flat, anime stand-in whose greatest development as a person happened off screen before she was even met. Fix the writing first, the art second.

For the record, nobody outside of like 30 dudes on this forum thinks WOTR was a "mediocre mess."

Do I want to know what the general consensus of the general masses is? Break it to me, not-Polish man. What does everyone else think?

Reddit thinks it was great because they get to live out their sad fantasies through poorly written in-game romances. Otherwise, I think most people consider it to be a very large game with reasonable build porn and some good encounters but that it (per usual, with Owlcat) fell flat in the later acts. And that, also per usual, it's still buggy as hell, with new things being broken every single patch.

 

[Reinhardt]

fuck, even discussing ghey mahrins is better than this. still better than discussing space elves tho.

 

[Baron Dupek]

"akshually the Imperium are the bad guys"

wait, there are people who think they're good ones?
I guess that's happen when your brian is fried by D&D gruel and maybe comics too...

 

[Tyranicon]

There are no "good guys" in 40k. Most races are trying to survive however they can, and then you have forces of nature like the tyranids, or near-gods like the Necrons.

40k is grimdark precisely because a repressive, brutal regime is the best outcome for humanity, and all other methods would've led to its extinction.

For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium, for whom a thousand souls die every day, for whom blood is drunk and flesh eaten. Human blood and human flesh – the stuff of which the Imperium is made. To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable. This is the tale of those times.

Forget the power of technology, science and common humanity. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for there is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter and the laughter of thirsting gods.

It's edgy, but tasteful edge.

 

[Reinhardt]

but imperium ARE gud guys

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Anything non Chaos, Necron, Ork, Nids, and Dark Eldar can probably count as "good guys" morality wise as they are just trying to survive. That they are fucking each other too is another story.

 

[Lagole Gon]

Anything non Chaos, Necron, Ork, Nids, and Dark Eldar can probably count as "good guys" morality wise as they are just trying to survive. That they are fucking each other too is another story.

I'm no WH40 scholar, but I'm pretty sure retcons happened and some NuCron dudes are pretty reasonable. At least by grimdark standards.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

There are no "good guys" in 40k. Most races are trying to survive however they can, and then you have forces of nature like the tyranids, or near-gods like the Necrons.

40k is grimdark precisely because a repressive, brutal regime is the best outcome for humanity, and all other methods would've led to its extinction.

For more than a hundred centuries the Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium, for whom a thousand souls die every day, for whom blood is drunk and flesh eaten. Human blood and human flesh – the stuff of which the Imperium is made. To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruellest and most bloody regime imaginable. This is the tale of those times.

Forget the power of technology, science and common humanity. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim darkness of the 41st Millenium there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter and the laughter of thirsting gods.

It's edgy, but tasteful edge.

Wtf what happened to the bolded bit I added back in?

 

[Sarathiour]

I'd say the bigger problem is the character was an awful, flat, anime stand-in whose greatest development as a person happened off screen before she was even met. Fix the writing first, the art second.

I said that I wanted to start small, you're not going to get far if you start the conversation by a long winded rant explaining that the only solution remaining to fix this is to throw 90% of the writing team off a chopper, so that I never have to read something that stupid and bad ever again. Assuming we're here to talk in good faith fabulously optimistic, you gotta start by small issue that are relatively easy to fix, because if you start listing everything that suck and why this was just a big pile of shit, even if it's your honest opinion, such antagonism won't get you far.

It's all about a approach between infintron sycophant's behavior and telling the guys to go clear a minefield.

 

[Reinhardt]

Anything non Chaos, Necron, Ork, Nids, and Dark Eldar can probably count as "good guys" morality wise as they are just trying to survive. That they are fucking each other too is another story.

I'm no WH40 scholar, but I'm pretty sure retcons happened and some NuCron dudes are pretty reasonable. At least by grimdark standards.

 

[Sarathiour]

Hard disagree, KM was fine, and you don't loose much if you decide to skip the minigame entirely.

You miss out on sidequests, items, and being able to have teleporters in as many places as possible for your convenience.

Which sidequest are you referring to ? Also teleporter don't matter if you don't play the minigame.

KM was fine,

Both the kingdom management in Kingmaker and the crusade one in WotR were fine. Issue is that they aren't properly fleshed out systems, but gimmicks. Too barebones to be enjoyed by those that enjoy that sort of stuff (e.g. HoMM fans with the crusading one), so it becomes a mild annoyance for most people regardless of how they feel about it.

I would actually prefer if the crusader mode was more barebone. It's a complete mess with half the mechanic not working, and it's doubtful those that are working are even good in the first place. I'm not even sure it's possible to loose crusade mode, because it's an attrition war where you are the only one gaining ressources.

 

[Roguey]

For the record, nobody outside of like 30 dudes on this forum thinks WOTR was a "mediocre mess."

Do I want to know what the general consensus of the general masses is? Break it to me, not-Polish man. What does everyone else think?

The honeymoon is over, but it's still in good company.

 

[Ryzer]

So, the supposed extreme Codex Masterpiece known as Underrail was played by less than 30% of this community?
I was right along!

 

[Roguey]

So, the supposed extreme Codex Masterpiece known as Underrail was played by less than 30% of this community?
I was right along!

That's the expansion pack. The original game did better.

 

[Reinhardt]

So, the supposed extreme Codex Masterpiece known as Underrail was played by less than 30% of this community?

i'm not interested in single character games.

 

[Darkwind]

For the record, nobody outside of like 30 dudes on this forum thinks WOTR was a "mediocre mess."

Do I want to know what the general consensus of the general masses is? Break it to me, not-Polish man. What does everyone else think?

The honeymoon is over, but it's still in good company.

The fact that ELEX sits so high on that chart above Cyberpunk, ATOM RPG Trudograd, PF:WOTR, etc. speaks loud volumes about the sheer levels of autism of RPG Codex. A 4th rate Piranha Bytes game that can't even stand in the shadow of the original 22 year old Gothic is head & shoulders above "the competition"? Got it!

 

[Kalarion]

wtf why are developers paying attention to their most active community beyond their official forums/discord???
Was Eyler actually sent by secret president and the interdimensional lizard-people illuminati to peddle decline? Discuss!!

A level of retardation rarely frequently seen on the Codex. The idea that we're their "most active community outside their forums" is fucking laughable. Post some kind of citation or go get your head checked. The following sentence is so maliciously retarded it's not worth addressing.

Everyone keeps complaining that devs these days shove politics into games, yet as soon as one shows up here, we hit them with politics within 72h. How about keep your politics out of my RPGs? How about that? How about the fact that ignoring gerey was the best thing he's done so far?

I believe you mean this in good faith. But you're blinkered. The assertions you're making don't match up with each other, at all. It does not follow that people on a forum spazzing about politics in RPGs negatively influences devs' future injections of politics into RPGs. And the idea that we should keep quiet about political complaints in order to keep politics out of games is hogwash. It's an entirely one-sided move. We must take (or decide not to take, in this case) some action with the expectation that they will magnanimously respond in the way we find appropriate, with no incentive beyond our continued silence? The evidence on that course of action points strongly to the reverse. Silence is taken as consent. Fuck that.

In fact the timeline is precisely the opposite of what you posited. Our spazzing is a result of actions already taken. Game developers didn't start injecting politics into RPGs because we got angry about politics in RPGs. Read that sentence, it's non-sensical on its face. But it's the argument you're implying here.

If you're instead trying to argue that silence or slow-walking of charged ranting about a studio's games (political or otherwise) is the only way to keep devs active on our forums, and that keeping them here is a goal worth our silence, we'll just have to agree to disagree. See my first post, the nature of this forum guarantees Gerey and Bester's kind of criticism and rhetoric are going to emerge at some point. If a dev can't deal with it somehow now, he won't magically be able to do so in some future time where (to that point) he'd been part of aggressively moderated discourse. As I said, the process was accelerated, not changed.

And all things considered, I'd prefer one gerey or Bester to 100 devs whose interactions with us must be strictly curated, and probably wouldn't bother adding value to the place anyways beyond lukewarm PR notes. Which, in fairness, has not yet been shown to be the case here.

 

[NecroLord]

I don't give a fuck about devs, I just want to complain and be angry at the state of modern games and RPGs.

 

[NecroLord]

Spineless devs who cannot handle anything resembling criticism should go back to reddit and do a AMA (Hi! My name is Soyjak Tyronius, developer at Rainbow Flag Studios, ask me anything!)