Western RPGs have fallen, again

[Lonely Vazdru]

I can easily spend the rest of my life playing only stuff that came out between 1995-2015 and have a blast. Not to mention how much greatness lies still undiscovered.

As an old fuck, I have to warn you that after a couple of decades, and depending on how many hours/day you play, this is not so true anymore.

 

[Zarniwoop]

Play Chinese and Japanese games instead

Arknights Endfield is coming soon

Chinkoid bugman spyware vs Jap Anime coomer shit.

Nah, thanks, I'm good.

Fixed. It's hilarious how many people just install chink shit on their computer or phone, knowing full well how it just vacuums up all your data.

Half these losers insalled the deepseek or whatever the knockoff chatgpt is called.

 

[Snufkin]

Big studios should boot up Dink Smallwood and see how its done.

 

[Infinitron]

I like how Tyranicon makes one of these threads everytime something happens that he thinks needs to be reemphasized.

"Oh my god guys, they're making another Disco Elysium clone, it's so over"
"Oh my god guys, they made another woke RPG, it's so over"

It's okay though, I still like him.

 

[Odoryuk]

It's all right, you have to fall before succeding. These are growing pains. The future of Western Role Playing RPG Games is bright!

 

[sosmoflux]

It's so over
But we are so back

 

[Reinhardt]

I like how Tyranicon makes one of these threads everytime something happens that he thinks needs to be reemphasized.

"Oh my god guys, they made another Disco Elysium clone, it's so over"
"Oh my god guys, they made another woke RPG, it's so over"

It's okay though, I still like him.

he's not wrong. wake me up when he start making threads "oh my god guys, they made another good game!"

 

[Vincente]

he's not wrong. wake me up when he start making threads "oh my god guys, they made another good game!"

People here would rather complain about bad games than play good games. KCD2 drama thread already doubled the SKALD thread in terms of numbers.

 

[Incognito]

he's not wrong. wake me up when he start making threads "oh my god guys, they made another good game!"

People here would rather complain about bad games than play good games. KCD2 drama thread already doubled the SKALD thread in terms of numbers.

We replaced gaming with

 

[Fargus]

he's not wrong. wake me up when he start making threads "oh my god guys, they made another good game!"

People here would rather complain about bad games than play good games. KCD2 drama thread already doubled the SKALD thread in terms of numbers.

He said good games. While Skald is not complete shit to bury it with the rest of the trash, it's not a very good game if we are being honest. Not worth hyping it up.

Besides drama threads are fun, especially if devs are true scumbags.

 

[Nikanuur]

It may take a few more for the boomer RPGs to catch up.

What do you mean with "boomer RPGs"?

I didn't mean anything specific by it. It was a musing. But generally speaking, much like boomer shooters, it would be things that look like they came from the late 90s or early 2000s, yet feature complexity and gameplay mechanics made possible only by several decades of hindsight. Retro scene has been blooming across many genres, as of late.

 

[0sacred]

I like how Tyranicon makes one of these threads everytime something happens that he thinks needs to be reemphasized.

"Oh my god guys, they made another Disco Elysium clone, it's so over"
"Oh my god guys, they made another woke RPG, it's so over"

It's okay though, I still like him.

That's because it's been over for some time now but there are different symptoms

 

[Vincente]

He said good games. While Skald is not complete shit to bury it with the rest of the trash, it's not a very good game if we are being honest. Not worth hyping it up.

Still, if Veilguard shitpost thread and KCD2 drama threads pull bigger numbers than incline indie games like Skald and Battle Brothers, it means something.

We replaced gaming with

I also believe this.

 

[Fargus]

Still, if Veilguard shitpost thread and KCD2 drama threads pull bigger numbers than incline indie games like Skald and Battle Brothers, it means something.

Strange to expect a 8 year old tactical game and a mediocre indie rpg to draw the same attention as a woke disaster from bioware nutjobs or an upcoming major game like KFC2. Doesn't help that Vavra pushes the envelope of what it means to be a sellout DEI cunt with his behavior. Can't catch a break with these people.

 

[NecroLord]

he's not wrong. wake me up when he start making threads "oh my god guys, they made another good game!"

People here would rather complain about bad games than play good games. KCD2 drama thread already doubled the SKALD thread in terms of numbers.

Where are those "good games" I wonder?
Drama and politics have become nigh inseparable from the core experience of games because the developers INSIST on putting such things in their video games.
But we cannot discuss such things openly in "General Gaming and RPG", but in the "Drama Zone".
Give me a break...

 

[Sergio]

He said good games. While Skald is not complete shit to bury it with the rest of the trash, it's not a very good game if we are being honest. Not worth hyping it up.

Still, if Veilguard shitpost thread and KCD2 drama threads pull bigger numbers than incline indie games like Skald and Battle Brothers, it means something.

We replaced gaming with

I also believe this.

Yeah it means that people don't have time to talk about the good games because they're busy playing them, and use free time to shitpost the crap ones.

 

[Fargus]

"- Everything is political, bigot! Your favorite classic games were political. Deal with it."

"- Nooo. Not like this!! Stop discussing politics, incels! Discuss the game mechanics!"

Have your cake and eat it too.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

It probably takes 100x less time to develop a good boomer shooter than it would to develop a good boomer RPG.

Also, you could count the actually GOOD boomer shooters on one hand.

Dusk, Amid Evil, The Citadel, The Citadel 2, Cruelty Squad

That's about it, the rest is motly a cargo cult.

I could not finish Amid Evil because the level design puts and emphasis on maps being big more than anything else. Enemy design was ass and they all feel the same with little alternative behavior. I did finish like 4 campaigns.

 

[NecroLord]

It probably takes 100x less time to develop a good boomer shooter than it would to develop a good boomer RPG.

Also, you could count the actually GOOD boomer shooters on one hand.

Dusk, Amid Evil, The Citadel, The Citadel 2, Cruelty Squad

That's about it, the rest is motly a cargo cult.

I could not finish Amid Evil because the level design puts and emphasis on maps being big more than anything else. Enemy design was ass and they all feel the same with little alternative behavior. I did finish like 4 campaigns.

Dusk is pretty cool.

 

[Mortmal]

he's not wrong. wake me up when he start making threads "oh my god guys, they made another good game!"

People here would rather complain about bad games than play good games. KCD2 drama thread already doubled the SKALD thread in terms of numbers.

As much as I like Skald and its atmosphere, the pixelated style doesn’t add anything and brings nothing to the experience. It was a big drawback for me. The gameplay isn’t groundbreaking, with zero replayability and no build variety. It doesn’t really push things forward either. It simply delivers an 80s feel, and that’s about it. Still, I would recommend playing it as it is a commendable indie effort, but we are not achieving greatness here. It doesn’t improve upon the classics or 30-40 year-old turn-based RPGs like Baldur’s Gate 3 or Solasta does.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

It may take a few more for the boomer RPGs to catch up.

What do you mean with "boomer RPGs"?

I didn't mean anything specific by it. It was a musing. But generally speaking, much like boomer shooters, it would be things that look like they came from the late 90s or early 2000s, yet feature complexity and gameplay mechanics made possible only by several decades of hindsight. Retro scene has been blooming across many genres, as of late.

The “boomer” appellation is so nonsensical here. The 90s was when Xennials and Millennials were growing up.

A boomer rpg would be something like, idk, Gygax’s Dungeons & Dragons? Traveller? The tabletop hobby is basically ruled by a handful of boomer and gen-X games that I find completely unappealing and unrelatable because I’m from a newer generation.

You could call Mass Effect a boomer rpg because it uses scifi tropes from the mid-20th century, like Star Trek and Star Wars, rather than later eras like cyberpunk and postcyberpunk. I find it stale and outdated. I’m annoyed that new games like ZeroSpace lazily copy it.

My tastes go for postcyberpunk millennial scifi like Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri, Gene Roddenberry’s Andromeda, Babylon 5, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, etc. (There have been no innovations in the scifi genre after postcyberpunk arrived in the y2k era.)

It feels like, aside from Cyberpunk 2077, scifi video games have regressed by several decades and gotten stuck in the lowest common denominator version of the boomer era of scifi lit. Instead of cyborgs, mutants, and multiple human cultures/nationstates, we have green alien babes, bland species-wide monocultures, and zero interrogation of what it means to be human in the face of technological advancement.

So yeah, I feel like Western rpgs have hugely fallen, not just from where they were in the past but where they could’ve been.

 

[Nikanuur]

The “boomer” appellation is so nonsensical here. The 90s was when Xennials and Millennials were growing up.

A boomer rpg would be something like, idk, Gygax’s Dungeons & Dragons? Traveller? The tabletop hobby is basically ruled by a handful of boomer and gen-X games that I find completely unappealing and unrelatable because I’m from a newer generation.

You could call Mass Effect a boomer rpg because it uses scifi tropes from the mid-20th century, like Star Trek and Star Wars, rather than later eras like cyberpunk and postcyberpunk. I find it stale and outdated. I’m annoyed that new games like ZeroSpace lazily copy it.

My tastes go for postcyberpunk millennial scifi like Sid Meier’s Alpha Centauri, Gene Roddenberry’s Andromeda, Babylon 5, Cowboy Bebop, Ghost in the Shell, etc. (There have been no innovations in the scifi genre after postcyberpunk arrived in the y2k era.)

It feels like, aside from Cyberpunk 2077, scifi video games have regressed by several decades and gotten stuck in the lowest common denominator version of the boomer era of scifi lit. Instead of cyborgs, mutants, and multiple human cultures/nationstates, we have green alien babes, bland species-wide monocultures, and zero interrogation of what it means to be human in the face of technological advancement.

So yeah, I feel like Western rpgs have hugely fallen, not just from where they were in the past but where they could’ve been.

1. You understood my meaning whether the terms boomer "-FPS -RPG -whatever other genre" were appropriate or not. Mission accomplished. Thanks for providing me with 120EXP for successful communication.
2. Be my guest and come up with some other, more proper term. I don't care. I might even like it if it's a good one.

 

[RaggleFraggle]

Be my guest and come up with some other, more proper term. I don't care. I might even like it if it's a good one.

Doomlike? idk, genre names are arbitrary and nonsensical anyway. Some are (partly) self-explanatory acronyms like RTS, FPS, RPG, MMO, 4X, MOBA, etc. Others are incomprehensibly self-referential word salad like soulslike, metroidvania, or boomer shooter.

 

[Tyranicon]

I like how Tyranicon makes one of these threads everytime something happens that he thinks needs to be reemphasized.

"Oh my god guys, they're making another Disco Elysium clone, it's so over"
"Oh my god guys, they made another woke RPG, it's so over"

It's okay though, I still like him.

I'm having fun with this comedy of errors and sharing with a niche audience of enthusiasts.

Let's face it, watching these shipwrecks is way more enjoyable than whatever mild-mannered, milquetoast content they may actually have.

 

[Old Hans]

I can easily spend the rest of my life playing only stuff that came out between 1995-2015 and have a blast. Not to mention how much greatness lies still undiscovered.

The current-day game industry can burn down to the ground, no exceptions (no, Japan and the rest of Asia ain't immune to cuckoldry and degeneracy either).

believe it or not even the golden age of the 90's had a massive amount of pissed stained stinker games