About an hour in to System Shock 2, so far, not impressed

[Gord]

What I don't get is why people get so upset over RPGs from the first person perspective. People like that reviewer will literally write the equivalent of "character skill based combat is fine in third person perspective but like anal stitches & rotavirus in first person perspectives."

It is harder to get it right. Although games with guns should work better, as it's easier to translate weapon skill to accuracy and visualize it to the player.
Ultimately the problem is more with the players, though, if they don't "get it" that there is a to-hit chance that's being rolled against in the background, they will complain because their puny 1st level mage managed to miss the rat he just attacked with his rusty -3 dagger of near-sightedness, although "he should totally have hit that rat".

The devs might be able to communicate it to some of them, but there will always be that bunch that considers 1st person = (player skill based) shooter.

 

[Jick Magger]

What's the issue with TVTropes, anyway?

It can be an entertaining website if, like Infinitron says, you don't take it too seriously. The main problem is when retards use it for research to try to make themselves look clever or when they quote it like any annoying meme. They don't take into account that sometimes the examples used on these tropes are either a) missing the point or b) vague in what the actual context is. Take a look at some of the entries for crowning moment of awesome or nightmare fuel pages and I swear it's filled with the most emotionally manipulated people.

I just don't like most of the 'troper' community either. They're genuinely some of the most autistic, self-righteous shitheads I've ever seen, and this is after they decided to axe troper tales because most of it entries creeped people the fuck out (believe me, the yandere page for troper tales was a sight to be-fucking-hold back when it was still up, though you can get a taste of it from the troper tales reading videos on youtube).

 

[Cowboy Moment]

What's the issue with TVTropes, anyway?

It can be an entertaining website if, like Infinitron says, you don't take it too seriously. The main problem is when retards use it for research to try to make themselves look clever or when they quote it like any annoying meme. They don't take into account that sometimes the examples used on these tropes are either a) missing the point or b) vague in what the actual context is. Take a look at some of the entries for crowning moment of awesome or nightmare fuel pages and I swear it's filled with the most emotionally manipulated people.

It also used to be a bastion of the most pathetic weaboo filth on the visible side of the Internet. Then they noticed this, and went full retard in the other direction, removing the likes of Lolita from the site because PEDOPHILIA. Much hilarious butthurt was had on the excised weaboo side.

In any case, the website is just dumb, you can barely trust anything you read in there because it's all written by aspies with very little critical thinking capability.

 

[evdk]

It used to be a silly website, making fun of the very content it was cataloguing - but then somebody went mental and lo and behold, the entry for Atlas Shrugged turned serious. Nowadays Tropes are SERIOUS BUSINESS and it's boring, not to mention that retards keep shoving every trope into every work's page, on the flimsiest pretenses, no matter ho ill fitting it may be.

Also my pet peeve, their "Hey it's that guy" entries (lately mercifully shoved under the Trivia tab) - yes, it's very funny, Captain Reynolds is a crime novelist, dohoho - they're fucking actors, you retards.

 

[Cassidy]

With the great purges of crap like "Fetish Fuel", the creator of TVTropes delivered more butthurt to waifu lovers, talimancers, furfags and weeaboos than what anyone could ever dream of. He deserves some credit for that.

In any case, I'd rather not read SS2 page in that cesspit.

 

[BaconAndEggs]

*reads thread*

Cool, time to replay System Shock 2.

 

[zerotol]

I don't care what genre System Shock 2 can be called. It's a fucking brilliant game, miles ahead of the turds that get created now.

The atmosphere and setting, just awesome.

And calling the music bad? Are you kidding me?

beyond

 

[Ninja Destroyer]

I didn't like SS2 either. Way too actioney. It was all hyped up as some masterpiece of atmosphere and survival horror, and yet minutes after I start the game I'm being attacked by like 5 screaming mutants and I blast them all with psychic powers from my fingers, just like in some anime. Then I'm running around at full sprint, there's cameras that make tons of noise and machine guns turrets all over the place (yeah, putting a bunch of easily malfunctioning machine gun turrets onto a research vessel, great idea bozos) all the while shitty electronic music that you'd hear in a German dance club blasts at the drop of a hat. Oh but no, it's a masterpiece because you have to manage an inventory, which involves buying guns and candy bars out of vending machines; I don't think I ever once ran out of psychic magic and I blasted like every mutant I ran into. This game is shit. If I want survival horror I'll stick to Resident Evil and Silent Hill.

 

[Absalom]

*reads thread*

Cool, time to replay System Shock 2.

Ja I think I'll be heading over to GOG to get it soon. Also, people take tvtropes seriously? I don't even understand the need for a "community."

 

[evdk]

Ja I think I'll be heading over to GOG to get it soon. Also, people take tvtropes seriously? I don't even understand the need for a "community."

The people on TVTropes take TVTropes seriously, which is what buried the site.

 

[Absalom]

I didn't like SS2 either. Way too actioney. It was all hyped up as some masterpiece of atmosphere and survival horror, and yet minutes after I start the game I'm being attacked by like 5 screaming mutants and I blast them all with psychic powers from my fingers, just like in some anime. Then I'm running around at full sprint, there's cameras that make tons of noise and machine guns turrets all over the place (yeah, putting a bunch of easily malfunctioning machine gun turrets onto a research vessel, great idea bozos) all the while shitty electronic music that you'd hear in a German dance club blasts at the drop of a hat. Oh but no, it's a masterpiece because you have to manage an inventory, which involves buying guns and candy bars out of vending machines; I don't think I ever once ran out of psychic magic and I blasted like every mutant I ran into. This game is shit. If I want survival horror I'll stick to Resident Evil and Silent Hill.

I lol'd

Ja I think I'll be heading over to GOG to get it soon. Also, people take tvtropes seriously? I don't even understand the need for a "community."

The people on TVTropes take TVTropes seriously, which is what buried the site.

Yeah, that's why they're know as "The 'people' on TVTropes"

 

[Jashiin]

*reads thread*

Cool, time to replay System Shock 2.

This. Just installed. I'm surprised how well it's aged. It still looks beautiful, I always liked the clean look of this game.

 

[Ninja Destroyer]

If you don't play System Shock 2 at least once, you aren't a true gamer.

Played with the last patch which was released out of nowhere. The mod changing the looks of enemies was nexus-quality to me.

Seriously,

 

[Jashiin]

my god

 

[skacky]

SS2 is one of my favorite games and I never get tired of it. I even enjoy the Rickenbacker/Body of the Many that many players consider badly designed (I must say I am among the insane people who actually think Xen is by far the best bit of Half-Life).
While I love the music in SS2 (SS1's is better though), try playing without it if you really want to be immersed. Hearing nothing but the computer beeps, machinery noises and the monsters' cries around a corridor is really something. And don't try to play it like an FPS, it really isn't one.

 

[cvv]

While I love the music in SS2 (SS1's is better though)

This. SS2 music, like the SS2 itself, didn't reach the SS1 heights of sheer style and cool but it deserves for how damn close it got.

And now gentlemen the best piece of music in all vidyagaim creation (I know there're many remixes but honestly, the original remains the best; the cyberpunk is so, so strong in this one):

 

[Jaesun]

Begone with that shitty version. Here is the Original on a real Roland Sound Canvas.

 

[Infinitron]

If you don't play System Shock 2 at least once, you aren't a true gamer.

Played with the last patch which was released out of nowhere. The mod changing the looks of enemies was nexus-quality to me.

Seriously,

That's not the latest version of that mod, and hasn't been for like a decade. That midwife model is no longer in it.

 

[Tolknaz]

System Schlock 2 was never a good shooter.

http://www.caltrops.com/review0010.php

That may be, but the guy writing that piece is still as clueless as a log.

That's why horror games are real time, non-abstracted action. They immerse you into the game world far more than any turn based strategy RPG could ever hope to, and immersion is a key element in horror. The totally arbitrary skill system and other flaws kill the immersion, and with it any chance at a good horror game.

 

[Ninja Destroyer]

3. Oldschool Midwife - The Original SS2 Midwife Skin.
Rebirth's midwife skin drew a lot of attention to the oversized breasts of the model but it wasn't very scary. ZylonBane refitted the original SS2 midwife skin for the new model (screenshot), to re-create that original scary look, that recalls the first female character to be changed: Nurse Erin Bloom.

My mistake, that older model is forever stored in my memory.

 

[Absalom]

No shit. I still remember the first time I saw one in Engineering. Not so scary as much as murdered me on the spot.

 

[cvv]

Begone with that shitty version.

CUR! :slap!:

Here is the Original on a real Roland Sound Canvas.

No version of this can be really bad but Roland raked it too smooth. It's much, much more cyberpunky in ye ol' Sound Blaster glory.

 

[Roguey]

Ultimately the problem is more with the players, though, if they don't "get it" that there is a to-hit chance that's being rolled against in the background, they will complain because their puny 1st level mage managed to miss the rat he just attacked with his rusty -3 dagger of near-sightedness, although "he should totally have hit that rat".

The devs might be able to communicate it to some of them, but there will always be that bunch that considers 1st person = (player skill based) shooter.

SS2 doesn't use randomized accuracy though.

Also every game involves player skill.

 

[evdk]

SS2 doesn't use randomized accuracy though.

Also every game involves player skill.

FFS, SS2 scales the damage to your skill with the firearm and you can also research your enemies for further damage boosts.

And that's not not what "player skill based" refers in this case.

Also:

 

[zwanzig_zwoelf]

Begone with that shitty version. Here is the Original on a real Roland Sound Canvas.

You forgot about this.