Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Pizzashoes]

What does multiclassing a druid and a warlock and a bard and a paladin even mean? At least some of Kingmaker's classes are mutually exclusive. But these Larian devs don't want classes. Classes are supposed to be tied into the lore and roleplaying of your character.

How the fuck do you square away the classless goofiness the Larian devs love in D:OS with forty years of rigid Dungeons and Dragons classes? Apparently, you go through the motions of a couple years of rigid class system in early access just to keep up appearances, and then one month before release, you say, "FUCK IT. WE'RE DOING IT LIVE. NO CLASSES. WE NEVER GAVE A FUCK ANYWAY. DND IS FOR NERDS."

What the fuck are you talking about? This is how multiclassing works in 5E. It's not Larian, it's DnD. Dropping the somewhat inconsequential attribute prerequisite of 13 doesn't really matter, since it never was much of a hurdle to begin with, it just took some planning during character creation. Removing it makes multiclassing more noob-friendly because it removes the front-loaded attribute planning, that's it.

Fundamentally, the problem is DnD multiclassing, and not "Larian devs don't want classes". And this isn't even new, multiclassing has been retarded in DnD since 3E. So this over-the-top multiclassing shit has been with us for almost 25 years now. There is no "forty years of rigid Dungeons and Dragons classes". IIRC most powerbuilds in NWN2 consisted of retarded 4-class cocktails and that was like 17 years ago.

Look, I get it. I fucking hate this type of multiclassing, too. The whole concept of "dipping" a level or two into another class purely for powergain is disgusting. Just place the fucking blame where it belongs and that's with the designers of DnD, not with Larian.

I'll tell you by God. One, I'm upset. I want to blame someone for moving away from the strict class system of AD&D used by Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 to the anything goes Baldur's Gate 3. Swen Vincke's quote here had me thinking he, himself, values classless, all around characters. Having played D:OS2 on the more difficult setting, the devs force you to pick and choose optimal abilities to game the encounters without any adherence to roleplaying a class or standard. The game encourages you to cast off the initial class and move on. That's why I was thinking Larian pushed it. Whether that's true or whether the nature of 5E pushed it, who knows.

Two, D&D has had multiclassing, but with restrictions. You're right that D&D clearly has been trending toward dipping a toe in everything and losing restrictions, and that a game in the modern climate would naturally have zero restrictions on anything. Fuck, why not respec race? Why not respec gender mid-campaign? Yes, I was very emotional writing D&D is for nerds, but really I meant older versions of D&D cater towards nerds, and newer versions cater towards a broader audience. And yeah, the multiclass game is lame. It's built towards maximizing numbers instead of grounded in human experience.

 

[Tyranicon]

You can just torrent it.

I have some stupid idea of camaraderie and kinship among RPG devs, so I won't pirate a game even from a studio I don't like.

Surely approaching a digital hobby/product of mass consuption with the expectation of artistic or even literary quality is an expectation doomed to disapointment. It's a videogame after all, gameplay is the measure here. Besides, we're long past the era of inspired pionneers like Avellone & company.

The target audience is weird, virgin autist teens & young adults, we should expect even more bearfuckery from now on. Have a good day.

The medium could stand to do with some improvement. Keeping your expectations low ensures disappointment.

On a more philosophical note, I can't fucking understand why people work in games without at least aspiring for artistic creativity. Why else would somebody work in a low-paying, immature, and thoroughly debased industry?

People in gamedev for money are a fucking joke and should just get a real corporate job instead.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

With D&D mechanic or not, Larian always try made another Ultima 7.

Hi.

Ultima 7 had cloud shadows. Does BG3 have them considering there is no night cycle? Hide in Shadows is going to be very difficult for characters who can hide without a night cycle and those darker corners and alleyways. It is one of the more enjoyable environmental design aspects of RPGs quite a shame they left it out.

Thanks,
Sherry

I don't know BG3, I haven't played the EA, but DOS1 and DOS2 have dynamic weather, that also affects combat.

 

[SpaceWizardz]

Unrestricted dip multiclassing sucks.
Sawyer was right, it's time to APOLOGIZE.

 

[Tuco Benedicto Pacifico]

Unrestricted dip multiclassing sucks.
Sawyer was right, it's time to APOLOGIZE.

Well, I was saying barely few pages ago, if there's a thing that Deadfire did very well is precisely its multiclassing system.

 

[Drakortha]

Just place the fucking blame where it belongs and that's with the designers of DnD, not with Larian.

You are an absolute gaylord.

 

[Riddler]

Unrestricted dip multiclassing sucks.
Sawyer was right, it's time to APOLOGIZE.

Well, I was saying barely few pages ago, if there's a thing that Deadfire did very well is precisely its multiclassing system.

Deadfire does a ton of things very well. Unfortunately, the companion writing and the main narrative are both ranging from mediocre to garbage and they are very central to the experience.

But then again, I expect Larian to be a good deal worse in both respects.

 

[AwesomeButton]

people just wanna roll a party and smash some skellies, it's not fucking rocket science!

That's not the kind of game you are getting. You will experience this stellar writing. Whether you want to or not.

 

[Takamori]

I bet if Sawyer was taking care of 5e implementation we wouldn't have not even half of the bullshit we are having right now. Why he was cucked to stay in Obsidian with that turd Fergus

 

[Takamori]

people just wanna roll a party and smash some skellies, it's not fucking rocket science!

That's not the kind of game you are getting. You will experience this stellar writing. Whether you want to or not.

YOU WILL EXPERIENCE ZE CHEESE WHEELS AND YOU WILL LIKE IT SIR

 

[RangerBoo]

The target audience is weird, virgin autististic teens & young adults, we should expect even more bearfuckery from now on. Have a good day.

One must remember that WotC target audience is Twitter trannies, fur fags and fujoshi's who write creepy fan fiction on A03. WotC royally pissed them off with the OGL and Pinkerton fiasco. They needed some way to win them back. Shouldn't be a surprise that to win back Twitter trannies, fur fags and female coomer fan fic writers was just to put degenerate sex in the game. Speaking of which there is a multi-post illustrated essay on how to fuck a child just happily siting there on the Balder's Gate forum. Nice fanbase you got there Larian and WOtC.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Unrestricted dip multiclassing sucks.
Sawyer was right, it's time to APOLOGIZE.

Well, I was saying barely few pages ago, if there's a thing that Deadfire did very well is precisely its multiclassing system.

That was dualclassing though.

 

[Nerevar]

What even goes through Sawyers head he makes the blandest systems that suck and then gets mentally gaped when games sell well.

Hopefully he learns that fun power fantasy sells and boring 3% increase simulator sucks.

There are some super strong and cool ltems in BG3 that should be comparable to the stuff in BG2.

 

[Swen]

What about this one.

If you caught Panel From Hell last week, you'll have seen just how those decisions affect your experience once you set foot into Act 2. Trek through the mountain pass as Shadowheart then explore the Sharran territory of the Shadow-Cursed Lands safely as a cleric of Shar. Or you might instead choose to traverse the Underdark, then find safety within a hamlet of Harpers – led by the long-standing series icon herself: Jaheira, #mommy.

Goddamn the rape of IPs is really never going to stop is it. It gets worse with every year.

Swen said there are hundreds, or even thousands of stories. If you don't like a particular story, you can just avoid it. Nobody is making you fuck the bear.

My problem is I find every story they write godawful. So yeah, there are 1,000 flavors of ice cream, and every flavor is some variety of fecal matter. Great for all the tumblrinas that enjoy their Marvel writing, but if you don't like how they write everything, it doesn't matter which path you choose.

Implying you even know what good writing is.

Continue to seethe

 

[Drakortha]

That's not the kind of game you are getting. You will experience this stellar writing. Whether you want to or not.

Don't forget the amazing voice acting.

I saw the voice actors behind the scenes video. They are so talented and passionate about their work. They will elevate BG3 to a whole other level. BG3 is a passion project through and through. The people working on the game are just incredible human beings.

 

[whydoibother]

We are reaching levels of butthurt that shouldn't be possible.

 

[Drakortha]

We are reaching levels of butthurt that shouldn't be possible.

I'm sorry your butt hurts so bad. Maybe try not being a fag?

 

[whydoibother]

We are reaching levels of butthurt that shouldn't be possible.

I'm sorry your butt hurts so bad. Maybe try not being a fag?

I can't help it, bear dick hurts sooo goooood.

 

[Pizzashoes]

people just wanna roll a party and smash some skellies, it's not fucking rocket science!

That's not the kind of game you are getting. You will experience this stellar writing. Whether you want to or not.

Name one (1) good example of writing in gaming and one (1) quintessentially Larian example of writing if you would.

 

[AwesomeButton]

people just wanna roll a party and smash some skellies, it's not fucking rocket science!

That's not the kind of game you are getting. You will experience this stellar writing. Whether you want to or not.

Name one (1) good example of writing in gaming and one (1) quintessentially Larian example of writing if you would.

IWD chapter intros. Myth TFL. Larian? Writing? Lol.

 

[Pizzashoes]

And for Larian's "romance"

 

[skaraher]

That kind of thing is common here. Bearsex and dumbing-down and naked cash-grabs. All the fun of decadence.

 

[Pizzashoes]

AwesomeButton does appear to intuitively know Larian's writing is in fact shit with contrasting examples from Icewind Dale. Let's see what Myth The Fallen Lords has to offer:


Okay, that does seem pretty awesome. I liked the carrion and ash.

 

[Seethe]

Of courae at the time there was not this need to make everything political so people just laughted at it.

You are a furry though. Of course you defend this. You looks forward to it. All one must do is visit the FFXIV thread to see.

All furries are zoophiliacs.

One things people aren't mentioning, out of convenience, is the graphics of today vs years ago. Yeah sure, some pixelated garbage humped a dude and a dog in japan. Thats not the same as this grotesque display. There would have been outrage back then too if this travesty was possible. Hide behind "it's 2023 everything is political". No, it's not. It's 2023 and zoophiliacs want a Z added to the LGBTQ++. And Larian is spearheading the way and their fans are rejoicing on most every gaming website, on reddit, on twitter, on resetera, and right here on the codex.

I personally defend the bear scene because I don't want to give infant minded retards like you the authority of dictating me (or others) what I should see or not. To me this is far more offensive than most things in the world, an indicative that the person would also praise authoritative figures into power. You're kind of like insulting my intelligence if you get what I mean. You're trying to coddle other people like they're children while from my point of view, you are of below average intelligence. I see no reason as to why you or anyone else should be the arbiter of censorship.

More importantly, the moral pearl clutching is ridiculous. Are you a vegan, or why do you care so much that a guy who turns into a bear is getting fucked in a fictional setting? What do you think about mounting a bear's head on a wall as a trophy? Let's see some of that moral consistency.

 

[Zeriel]

AwesomeButton does appear to intuitively know Larian's writing is in fact shit with contrasting examples from Icewind Dale. Let's see what Myth The Fallen Lords has to offer:


Okay, that does seem pretty awesome. I liked the carrion and ash.

I like the dialogue in the outro song. Never was a big Myth fan but it does have a nice forlorn quality to it even at a distance.