Desiderius
Found your egg, Robinett, you sneaky bastard
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Not sure if that's how licensing D&D works (either via an officially licensed project or via the OGL).Both Solasta and BG3 would have been far superior if they had simply relied on a home-brewed combination of the six TSR editions of D&D/AD&D.
How did you ever get this impression?Personally, I was secretly hoping that Mizora could replace Wyll. I even have a feeling it was possible in an earlier iteration of the character...which 90% of players would have done and his writer would have had to write another series of angry tweets.
The best kingmaker build wasWhat do people think about 5e as a whole?
The streamlined approach to builds as a whole is fine with me. I enjoy build porn and theory crafting as much as the next guy but even in a game like pathfinder the builds can get samey. Every martial damage dealer take a vivisectionist dip. Every dex tank take a sacred monk dip. So I don't mind a streamlined approach and more emphasis on roleplay.
With that emphasis on role play, I really don't like all the restrictions being removed on classes. Paladins being human only gave that class a lot of flavor. I don't see how rangers could be evil, bards shouldn't be Lawful, monks should be Lawful, ect... You're removing defining features of these classes
Short rest is a 5e mechanic.My point was that BG3's idiosyncracies are Larian's own decisions, nothing to do with 5th edition.Fly Trap from Nature Sense staff (proc on hit) did (and would break pre-existing Concentration) but no longer does. Same with Wood Woad Shield Bonus Action Ensnare (DC is low on that one so not STR-based). Pretty sure Shield of Faith from Tyr Pal Greatsword still does require Concentration, but Heroism proc from Bracers (when you use Channel ability) doesn't."Concentration" is the only mechanic in your post from D&D 5th edition. And I don't believe there are any "non-spell abilities" that require concentration, but I could be wrong on that one with supplement bloat being what it is.Solasta and Baldur's Gate 3 would both be much better games without suffering from the restrictions of "D&D 5th edition" --- especially Solasta, which did not actually have a license to use D&D but pointlessly imposed the rules on themselves anyway.What do people think about 5e as a whole?
The single worst aspect is the limitation to 4 party members, given the inherent value to turn-based, tactical combat in having a larger number of characters for more class variety and tactical options.
"D&D 5th edition" attempts to compensate for the small number of party members by turning from heroic fantasy into the superhero genre, where all characters, regardless of class, quickly accrue various zany abilities, which however are arbitrarily limited to one use per battle, short rest, or long rest.
There is the idiocy of the "short rest" mechanic, in which characters inexplicably recover half their hit points and certain abilities, by taking a quick break, which for some reason can only be performed twice in between a "long rest".
The concentration mechanic means that a large portion of spells (and non-spell abilities) are exclusive to each other, in that a caster can only have one spell/ability requiring concentration active at one time. This inevitably results in nearly all concentration spells/abilities being disregarded in favor of one or two that are most powerful for a given class and level.
Characters are nonsensically allowed to level up in any class, meaning a character can suddenly gain all sorts of abilities associated with another class by taking one level in it, which permits all sorts of overpowered, game-breaking combinations.
Both Solasta and BG3 would have been far superior if they had simply relied on a home-brewed combination of the six TSR editions of D&D/AD&D.
Looks like procs don't require it but abilities you have to activate do. Elixirs don't however, or pots. Smites with lingering effects do, which may be a subtle nerf.
The way to manage concentration is to have an option for attacking each save (or other vulnerability) on enemies and to shore up each weakness of your party and apply as appropriate. If you do that effectively you don't need many.
What do people think about 5e as a whole?
The streamlined approach to builds as a whole is fine with me. I enjoy build porn and theory crafting as much as the next guy but even in a game like pathfinder the builds can get samey. Every martial damage dealer take a vivisectionist dip. Every dex tank take a sacred monk dip. So I don't mind a streamlined approach and more emphasis on roleplay.
With that emphasis on role play, I really don't like all the restrictions being removed on classes. Paladins being human only gave that class a lot of flavor. I don't see how rangers could be evil, bards shouldn't be Lawful, monks should be Lawful, ect... You're removing defining features of these classes
How did you ever get this impression?Personally, I was secretly hoping that Mizora could replace Wyll. I even have a feeling it was possible in an earlier iteration of the character...which 90% of players would have done and his writer would have had to write another series of angry tweets.
Doc Mitchell's animation was better.
The best kingmaker build wasWhat do people think about 5e as a whole?
The streamlined approach to builds as a whole is fine with me. I enjoy build porn and theory crafting as much as the next guy but even in a game like pathfinder the builds can get samey. Every martial damage dealer take a vivisectionist dip. Every dex tank take a sacred monk dip. So I don't mind a streamlined approach and more emphasis on roleplay.
With that emphasis on role play, I really don't like all the restrictions being removed on classes. Paladins being human only gave that class a lot of flavor. I don't see how rangers could be evil, bards shouldn't be Lawful, monks should be Lawful, ect... You're removing defining features of these classes
scaled fist 2/paladin 2/archeologist 2/Dragon disciple 4/two handed fighter 3/thug 4/viv 3
Short rest is a 5e mechanic.My point was that BG3's idiosyncracies are Larian's own decisions, nothing to do with 5th edition.Fly Trap from Nature Sense staff (proc on hit) did (and would break pre-existing Concentration) but no longer does. Same with Wood Woad Shield Bonus Action Ensnare (DC is low on that one so not STR-based). Pretty sure Shield of Faith from Tyr Pal Greatsword still does require Concentration, but Heroism proc from Bracers (when you use Channel ability) doesn't."Concentration" is the only mechanic in your post from D&D 5th edition. And I don't believe there are any "non-spell abilities" that require concentration, but I could be wrong on that one with supplement bloat being what it is.Solasta and Baldur's Gate 3 would both be much better games without suffering from the restrictions of "D&D 5th edition" --- especially Solasta, which did not actually have a license to use D&D but pointlessly imposed the rules on themselves anyway.What do people think about 5e as a whole?
The single worst aspect is the limitation to 4 party members, given the inherent value to turn-based, tactical combat in having a larger number of characters for more class variety and tactical options.
"D&D 5th edition" attempts to compensate for the small number of party members by turning from heroic fantasy into the superhero genre, where all characters, regardless of class, quickly accrue various zany abilities, which however are arbitrarily limited to one use per battle, short rest, or long rest.
There is the idiocy of the "short rest" mechanic, in which characters inexplicably recover half their hit points and certain abilities, by taking a quick break, which for some reason can only be performed twice in between a "long rest".
The concentration mechanic means that a large portion of spells (and non-spell abilities) are exclusive to each other, in that a caster can only have one spell/ability requiring concentration active at one time. This inevitably results in nearly all concentration spells/abilities being disregarded in favor of one or two that are most powerful for a given class and level.
Characters are nonsensically allowed to level up in any class, meaning a character can suddenly gain all sorts of abilities associated with another class by taking one level in it, which permits all sorts of overpowered, game-breaking combinations.
Both Solasta and BG3 would have been far superior if they had simply relied on a home-brewed combination of the six TSR editions of D&D/AD&D.
Looks like procs don't require it but abilities you have to activate do. Elixirs don't however, or pots. Smites with lingering effects do, which may be a subtle nerf.
The way to manage concentration is to have an option for attacking each save (or other vulnerability) on enemies and to shore up each weakness of your party and apply as appropriate. If you do that effectively you don't need many.
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/adventuring#ShortRest
Larian's change was just making it heal half health and limiting it to twice instead of rolling hit die for healing on short rest. Various abilities are already recovered on short rest within 5e such as the channel divinity:
https://www.dndbeyond.com/sources/basic-rules/classes#ChannelDivinity
As for concentration, the inclusion of "abilities" is a generalization as anyone who knows better wouldn't even want to deal with the 5e ruleset other than in passing. The problem Zed related is still present even without any of Larian's additions.
Since Desi brought up the smites, all of them except branding smite and standard smite are not found in the rules according to this srd site so those would be Larian's additions.
https://www.5esrd.com/spellcasting/spell-lists/paladin-spells/
For multiclassing, there are no rules regarding when you can multiclass other than it's up to the DM as whether or not it is allowed and when; which is Larian in this case. Solasta didn't allow it.
The criticism about character turning into superheroes holds. It's especially epitomized by the ASI in 5e. Warrior are then universally as strong as record holding strongmen being at peak strength, or as enduring as marathon champions with peak endurance all just from leveling up. Then there's the action surge, second winds, cunning actions, etc. that make it even over the top. 3e was just as bad in this regard.
They should be better at performing in the skill sets they're using, not getting attributes that represent absurd increases in a physical or mental ability/potential simply from using their class' skill-set.Also, am I understanding you correctly? You take issue with characters getting stronger when they level up? Do you like RPGs, broadly?
And you had to do that in every version of dungeons and dragons. However, when the requirements are so low in 5e for multiclassing, other than a small set of classes, anyone can take any class. Moreover, alignment restrictions are no longer in effect such as those for paladin, barbarian, or bard, resulting in a paladin/bard/barbarian/rogue/ranger/monk/warlock/etc. It's also egregious because there is no connection to what your character has been doing at this point. Suddenly your second level paladin pics up a bard or sorceror level out of nowhere for no reason even though there is no reason to suspect he advanced any prerequisite skills or had the training to be those classes. Do you think a random plumber can become a doctor just because they got enough experience as a plumber?Multiclassing has attribute requirements, meaning a multiclass build needs to be planned from the get-go. Kind of takes the wind out of the "anyone can take any class" criticism when a multiclass fighter/mage has to be planned as such from level 1 and statted out correctly.
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Multicasting more than 2 is retarded and destroys any sens of role-playing in the game.Lol. Lmao.The best kingmaker build was
scaled fist 2/paladin 2/archeologist 2/Dragon disciple 4/two handed fighter 3/thug 4/viv 3
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nothingWhat is the best in Wyll?
There's probably a LOT of people who never played this type of rpg before that are currently going through it so i'm not that surprised.Reading about this game on more generalist boards will drive me insane.
The amount of "I had to lower the difficulty because this game was kicking my ass so hard" only to learn that they aren't even talking about a challenging boss fight, but about something barely past the tutorial makes very hard to not question them with a "Are you crippled by mental retardation?".
I kind of agree with that. Taking all those classes feels like number crunching build faggotry versus actually roleplaying. I like theory crafting builds too but I also like utilizing a skill set versus just churning out the biggest number possible. That's what's cool about tabletop DND. Using creative solutions to work your way through programs versus a simulation where you churn out big numbersMulticasting more than 2 is retarded and destroys any sens of role-playing in the game.Lol. Lmao.The best kingmaker build was
scaled fist 2/paladin 2/archeologist 2/Dragon disciple 4/two handed fighter 3/thug 4/viv 3
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Combat gets way too easy after your builds hit their stride and extra attacks and bonus actions are a thing. Personally I feel like extra attacks per round shouldn't be a thing or they should be very limited (fighter only for sure,) definitely shouldn't stack with haste.There's probably a LOT of people who never played this type of rpg before that are currently going through it so i'm not that surprised.Reading about this game on more generalist boards will drive me insane.
The amount of "I had to lower the difficulty because this game was kicking my ass so hard" only to learn that they aren't even talking about a challenging boss fight, but about something barely past the tutorial makes very hard to not question them with a "Are you crippled by mental retardation?".
and what does that have to do with what I said?Combat gets way too easy after your builds hit their stride and extra attacks and bonus actions are a thing. Personally I feel like extra attacks per round shouldn't be a thing or they should be very limited (fighter only for sure,) definitely shouldn't stack with haste.There's probably a LOT of people who never played this type of rpg before that are currently going through it so i'm not that surprised.Reading about this game on more generalist boards will drive me insane.
The amount of "I had to lower the difficulty because this game was kicking my ass so hard" only to learn that they aren't even talking about a challenging boss fight, but about something barely past the tutorial makes very hard to not question them with a "Are you crippled by mental retardation?".
They speak like inbred countryside anglos.Gobs are MAGA caricature.
Commenting on how easy combat actually is especially later. Being new only counts for the beginningand what does that have to do with what I said?Combat gets way too easy after your builds hit their stride and extra attacks and bonus actions are a thing. Personally I feel like extra attacks per round shouldn't be a thing or they should be very limited (fighter only for sure,) definitely shouldn't stack with haste.There's probably a LOT of people who never played this type of rpg before that are currently going through it so i'm not that surprised.Reading about this game on more generalist boards will drive me insane.
The amount of "I had to lower the difficulty because this game was kicking my ass so hard" only to learn that they aren't even talking about a challenging boss fight, but about something barely past the tutorial makes very hard to not question them with a "Are you crippled by mental retardation?".
That would be pretty brave, if not a little silly, to just let go of all the work it took to implement the 5E shit in their engine and not consider making at least one other 5E game of sorts with it.Seems to hint that BG3 was one-shot with D&D(I suspect there will be sequel DLC but that's just me), he also says that that he and the main team are now working on another project.
I think they will have the B team on definitive edition and maybe on an expansion ? That would be very strange if they didn't at least milk that cow. It's free money.That would be pretty brave, if not a little silly, to just let go of all the work it took to implement the 5E shit in their engine and not consider making at least one other 5E game of sorts with it.Seems to hint that BG3 was one-shot with D&D(I suspect there will be sequel DLC but that's just me), he also says that that he and the main team are now working on another project.
I feel like the main chunk of the coding would be done and it'd be an occasion to give some work to interns and juniors, without bothering them with the load of managing a project from the ground.