Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD

[Grauken]

But did you escape the nautiloid yet?

How often did you fuck the bear?

 

[Mortmal]

Larian: fuck the lore, write whatever shit they want, even if it conflicts with the setting of DnD or the previous two games' story.

players: WoW it's must be the WOTC force them to write these. It's definately not Larian's fault the game has shit writing.

To be fair WotC's writing hasn't been much better for the majority of this ed. Got the pair shittin in the same pot.

WotC's writing has suffered due to excessive politicization. For example, take a look at 5th Edition Dragonlance. What do you see in the trailer? Anything that makes you remember weiss and hickman novels ? No , you see clever women from diverse backgrounds struggling against what ? dragons and draconians? No, you see an army of white men in armor, then only a red dragon in the background. This sets the tone, and it's already evident that the same bias will be present in the PDF, you can check it on the web easily. Any minority character will be portrayed like a glorified and dignified knight with black skin, while the next white character is a corrupted, overweight, and balding Solamnic knight. I am not making it up, just read the book. With such bias and priorities, how can we expect anything of quality? Then they emphasize hiring authors from diverse backgrounds, but I don't care about the authors' skin colors, give me back Weiss and Hickmann or someone of the same caliber.

 

[Cryomancer]

Even pre Baizuo infection, Wotc writing is trash. They wrote ZERO good settings(Eberron was made by a fan), all of the spellplague was shit. TSR gave to us Mystara, Dark Sun, Ravenloft/Domains of Dread, Spelljammer, Planescape, Birthright and only Glantri in Mystara is better written than anything produced by WoTC.

In gameplay, they seems to adopt the modern RPG mindset that no pc's should get any hindrance or drawback. Hence there is no longer prohibited spell schools for wizards and at will cantrips hence the fear of running out of spells no longer exists.

Then they emphasize hiring authors from diverse backgrounds, but I don't care about the authors' skin colors, give me back Weiss and Hickmann or someone of the same caliber.

Agreed. If I go to a doctor to do a complex surgery, I don't care about teh gender, race or religion of the doctor. I care about how likely he is to succeed and to fail. That mindset is "problematic" for the left. Same for writers.

The right cares about quality. The left, about equality/equity.

 

[Grauken]

The right cares about quality. The left, about equality/equity.

Congrats for winning the dumbass takes of the day award

 

[VerSacrum]

Baizuo

You really like this meme word of the month from 2013 huh

 

[Desiderius]

When he mention woke puritan, he mentions the morality : Everything which the average cis male likes is heresy and everything "against standards" "muh progress". And everything liked by cis males are things for incels, for them even Dan Bilzerian is an incel.

Yes, that's my point. The establishment of the Poz as the default required denigrating the broadly puritan norms which preceded them. They're trying to re-implement the denigration to counter the Poz instead of the ding an sich.

You really like this meme word of the month from 2013 huh

How you're seen by those who have power over you can never be a trivial matter. The weak suffer what they must.

Still enjoyed the game, but probably won't replay until they released goty edition or some shit

Typical Larian game I say. You enjoy it while playing but won't give you any reasons to replay unless enhanced version or co-op with buddies. This is kinda their best one yet because older titles had really shallow end game sections. They get better with Div OS 2 but it was still bad when you reach the last city.

I'll play it again when they restore the cut content. If that's a DLC so be it. Likely will have to raise level cap which will be fine.

 

[whydoibother]

Chad Frogfu vs Virgin Shart

 

[Swen]

I luv Lae'zel bros

 

[Sarathiour]

Is that a camping-car on the right side of the background ?

 

[VerSacrum]

diarrhea

At least post some proper fanart and not ai slop

 

[dukeofwoodberry]

When he mention woke puritan, he mentions the morality : Everything which the average cis male likes is heresy and everything "against standards" "muh progress". And everything liked by cis males are things for incels, for them even Dan Bilzerian is an incel.

Yes, that's my point. The establishment of the Poz as the default required denigrating the broadly puritan norms which preceded them. They're trying to re-implement the denigration to counter the Poz instead of the ding an sich.

You really like this meme word of the month from 2013 huh

How you're seen by those who have power over you can never be a trivial matter. The weak suffer what they must.

Still enjoyed the game, but probably won't replay until they released goty edition or some shit

Typical Larian game I say. You enjoy it while playing but won't give you any reasons to replay unless enhanced version or co-op with buddies. This is kinda their best one yet because older titles had really shallow end game sections. They get better with Div OS 2 but it was still bad when you reach the last city.

I'll play it again when they restore the cut content. If that's a DLC so be it. Likely will have to raise level cap which will be fine.

Puritan or family friendly? D&D was a game primarily played by kids and adolescents so it makes sense for it to be family friendly. Lord of the Rings is not Puritan because it doesn't have a bunch of explicit sex.

Now there is room for D&D and fantasy to have both family friendly settings and adult themed settings. You don't have to go full on coomer/degenerate because the setting was previously family friendly. What sense does that make? Have normal sexual content, not weird tentacle porn and beastality.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

When he mention woke puritan, he mentions the morality : Everything which the average cis male likes is heresy and everything "against standards" "muh progress". And everything liked by cis males are things for incels, for them even Dan Bilzerian is an incel.

Yes, that's my point. The establishment of the Poz as the default required denigrating the broadly puritan norms which preceded them. They're trying to re-implement the denigration to counter the Poz instead of the ding an sich.

You really like this meme word of the month from 2013 huh

How you're seen by those who have power over you can never be a trivial matter. The weak suffer what they must.

Still enjoyed the game, but probably won't replay until they released goty edition or some shit

Typical Larian game I say. You enjoy it while playing but won't give you any reasons to replay unless enhanced version or co-op with buddies. This is kinda their best one yet because older titles had really shallow end game sections. They get better with Div OS 2 but it was still bad when you reach the last city.

I'll play it again when they restore the cut content. If that's a DLC so be it. Likely will have to raise level cap which will be fine.

Puritan or family friendly? D&D was a game primarily played by kids and adolescents so it makes sense for it to be family friendly. Lord of the Rings is not Puritan because it doesn't have a bunch of explicit sex.

Now there is room for D&D and fantasy to have both family friendly settings and adult themed settings. You don't have to go full on coomer/degenerate because the setting was previously family friendly. What sense does that make? Have normal sexual content, not weird tentacle porn and beastality.

There is a difference between nuDnD puritan garbage, and family friendly DnD of the 80's and some settings in the 90's

Here is puritan 5th edition. Everyone is covered head to toe and in general nobody is really attractive. Elf is passable the orc woman is downright hideous. After all we need to avoid male gaze which is the greatest sin of all.

Now here is cover of Queen of Darkness module. While the cover is still family friendly the artists wasn't afraid to draw attractive people showing some skin since it was appropriate.

Another comparison.

Here is 5th edition player's manual barbarian

And here is the same class from ADnD The Complete Barbarian's Handbook (class wasn't included in the core rulebook)

I agree that super horny attitude of BG3 is not appropriate for Dungeons and Dragons game, some parts aren't appropriate for any game at all, but 5th edition definitely has this leftist puritan vibe to it.

 

[Black]

the orc woman is downright hideous.

That's a black "human" "female".

 

[Ryzer]

When he mention woke puritan, he mentions the morality : Everything which the average cis male likes is heresy and everything "against standards" "muh progress". And everything liked by cis males are things for incels, for them even Dan Bilzerian is an incel.

Yes, that's my point. The establishment of the Poz as the default required denigrating the broadly puritan norms which preceded them. They're trying to re-implement the denigration to counter the Poz instead of the ding an sich.

You really like this meme word of the month from 2013 huh

How you're seen by those who have power over you can never be a trivial matter. The weak suffer what they must.

Still enjoyed the game, but probably won't replay until they released goty edition or some shit

Typical Larian game I say. You enjoy it while playing but won't give you any reasons to replay unless enhanced version or co-op with buddies. This is kinda their best one yet because older titles had really shallow end game sections. They get better with Div OS 2 but it was still bad when you reach the last city.

I'll play it again when they restore the cut content. If that's a DLC so be it. Likely will have to raise level cap which will be fine.

Puritan or family friendly? D&D was a game primarily played by kids and adolescents so it makes sense for it to be family friendly. Lord of the Rings is not Puritan because it doesn't have a bunch of explicit sex.

Now there is room for D&D and fantasy to have both family friendly settings and adult themed settings. You don't have to go full on coomer/degenerate because the setting was previously family friendly. What sense does that make? Have normal sexual content, not weird tentacle porn and beastality.

There is a difference between nuDnD puritan garbage, and family friendly DnD of the 80's and some settings in the 90's

Here is puritan 5th edition. Everyone is covered head to toe and in general nobody is really attractive. Elf is passable the orc woman is downright hideous. After all we need to avoid male gaze which is the greatest sin of all.
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Now here is cover of Queen of Darkness module. While the cover is still family friendly the artists wasn't afraid to draw attractive people showing some skin since it was appropriate.

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Another comparison.

Here is 5th edition player's manual barbarian
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And here is the same class from ADnD The Complete Barbarian's Handbook (class wasn't included in the core rulebook)

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I agree that super horny attitude of BG3 is not appropriate for Dungeons and Dragons game, some parts aren't appropriate for any game at all, but 5th edition definitely has this leftist puritan vibe to it.

You could take game boxes as examples as well, they were significantly better than now, just a few samples from SSI games:

compared to

 

[Hagashager]

BG3's cover art looks fine. Those SSI arts were very clearly marketed to young men, and BG3, very much is marketed to young women, so of course the pretty-boy twink is gonna be front and center there.

I find BG 3's art pretty decent. 5e's art is very hit-or-miss however, usually miss. I think it's because even when trying to look natural everyone looks like they're made of plastic and just stepped out of Sephora.

That Queen of Darkness cover is disgustingly, offensively '80s but at least there's nothing there that wouldn't be present in some capacity in a Medieval setting (Fantasy Squid man and Ogres not withstanding.)

You wanna know what's a really good way to tell how people would've dressed in ye-olde times? Performing at a Renn Faire.

I've done it for 2 years now and let me tell you, dressing in multiple layers of leather jerkin, cape, bracers, gloves and gambeson **fucking sucks**, especially in the California heat. It sucks so much that I fully understand why medieval manuscripts never show even knights dressing that way unless they're actively going to battle.

Bracers, especially, look swanky but feel awful to wear. Thick leather straps restricting the wrists is not a good time.

 

[dukeofwoodberry]

BG3's cover art looks fine. Those SSI arts were very clearly marketed to young men, and BG3, very much is marketed to young women, so of course the pretty-boy twink is gonna be front and center there.

I find BG 3's art pretty decent. 5e's art is very hit-or-miss however, usually miss. I think it's because even when trying to look natural everyone looks like they're made of plastic and just stepped out of Sephora.

That Queen of Darkness cover is disgustingly, offensively '80s but at least there's nothing there that wouldn't be present in some capacity in a Medieval setting (Fantasy Squid man and Ogres not withstanding.)

You wanna know what's a really good way to tell how people would've dressed in ye-olde times? Performing at a Renn Faire.

I've done it for 2 years now and let me tell you, dressing in multiple layers of leather jerkin, cape, bracers, gloves and gambeson **fucking sucks**, especially in the California heat. It sucks so much that I fully understand why medieval manuscripts never show even knights dressing that way unless they're actively going to battle.

Bracers, especially, look swanky but feel awful to wear. Thick leather straps restricting the wrists is not a good time.

Why is it marketed to women when most of the player base is men?

 

[Hagashager]

Female players, especially in DnD/tabletop, are growing. This partly by design and partly natural. It's only natural that Larian would change their cover art to feature Astarion so prominently.

Remember in 2020 when it was almost exclusively Lae'Zel?

 

[Ryzer]

I find BG 3's art pretty decent.

Let's draw a comparison, which one reminds you of DnD the most?

The last cover looks like it is a straight-up divinity game or from a completely different franchise. Notice the complete lack of originality as well.

 

[Hagashager]

What the fuck? You showed the back cover of a German copy of Baldur's Gate? How is that even remotely helpful to your case?

Here, let me give you a hand:

That's a pretty good, understated, Fantasy cover, not unlike the 2e ADnD reprint:

But since back cover synopsis is what you're going for, sure, here's BG3's synopsis from Steam:
Gather your party and return to the Forgotten Realms in a tale of fellowship and betrayal, sacrifice and survival, and the lure of absolute power.

Mysterious abilities are awakening inside you, drawn from a mind flayer parasite planted in your brain. Resist, and turn darkness against itself. Or embrace corruption, and become ultimate evil.

From the creators of Divinity: Original Sin 2 comes a next-generation RPG, set in the world of Dungeons & Dragons.

sounds like fantasy shlock to me.

 

[Ryzer]

But since back cover synopsis is what you're going for, sure, here's BG3's synopsis from Steam:
Gather your party and return to the Forgotten Realms in a tale of fellowship and betrayal, sacrifice and survival, and the lure of absolute power.

Mysterious abilities are awakening inside you, drawn from a mind flayer parasite planted in your brain. Resist, and turn darkness against itself. Or embrace corruption, and become ultimate evil.

From the creators of Divinity: Original Sin 2 comes a next-generation RPG, set in the world of Dungeons & Dragons.

sounds like fantasy shlock to me.

Sounds like a scenario from an anime.

 

[Hagashager]

But since back cover synopsis is what you're going for, sure, here's BG3's synopsis from Steam:
Gather your party and return to the Forgotten Realms in a tale of fellowship and betrayal, sacrifice and survival, and the lure of absolute power.

Mysterious abilities are awakening inside you, drawn from a mind flayer parasite planted in your brain. Resist, and turn darkness against itself. Or embrace corruption, and become ultimate evil.

From the creators of Divinity: Original Sin 2 comes a next-generation RPG, set in the world of Dungeons & Dragons.

sounds like fantasy shlock to me.

Sounds like a scenario from an anime tentacle.

Okay

 

[Fedora Master]

Female players, especially in DnD/tabletop, are growing

They will never be real women

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

And here is the same class from ADnD The Complete Barbarian's Handbook (class wasn't included in the core rulebook)

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That artwork was originally the cover of the 4th Greyhawk novel (2nd in a series of 4 by Rose Estes) called The Price of Power, from 1987:

 

[Cryomancer]

I luv Lae'zel bros

I asked DALL E 3 to Generate some previous BG characters : Edwin, Imoen, Aerie from 2 and Shadowheart from BG2. Edwin looks more like a necromancer instead of a conjurer. Aerie, like a fairy. Imoen is ginger according to the ai and Shadowheart looks like an elf

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How much average damage is possible to do with a necro?

Assuming Lv 5, 7, 9 and 12. Before lv 5 no minion so is a worthless question. Assuming no save and all hits to simplify the calculation.

• At lv 5, using heightened schorching ray, assuming that every single one hits is 8d6 damage + 2 skeletons each one dealing d6+3 piercing + d10 necrotic damage = 28(spell) + 11*2(minions) = 50 damage on average
• At lv 7, blight(8d8) + 4 skeletons( d6+3 piercing + d10 necrotic damage) + 3 from proficiency bonus for each minion = 36(spell) + 14*4(minion) = 92
• At lv 9, detrhone*(10d6 + 20) + 4 skeletons + 4 proficiency bonus + elemental = 55(spell) + 60(15*4) + 10 damage = 125 damage
• At lv 12, desintegrate(10d6+40) + 4 flying ghouls(animate dead) + 4 ghouls(dense macabre) = 75(spell) + 4*18(rounding 3d6+3(str)+4(pro)) + 4*9(2d4+1(str)+4(pro)) = 183

 

[Shig]

WotC's writing has suffered due to excessive politicization.

I do not disagree. How can you talk about building intriguing narratives and fleshed-out worlds, when you're busy trying to erase the concept of race entirely in your game? Literal clown world shit.