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Haplo

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Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
But clerics are alright at CC. Who's better at it aside from wlocks/bards?
Wizards (for example Divination specialists) and Sorcerers (particularly Fire with Fire Acuity, Quicken and Scorching Rays - and actual CC spells; or maybe with Heighten).

Kinda druids - although Nature and Tempest clerics can match that, I guess.
 

dukeofwoodberry

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But clerics are alright at CC. Who's better at it aside from wlocks/bards?
Wizards (for example Divination specialists) and Sorcerers (particularly Fire with Fire Acuity, Quicken and Scorching Rays - and actual CC spells; or maybe with Heighten).

Kinda druids - although Nature and Tempest clerics can match that, I guess.
Yeah I don't really see clerics as that great at CC. The best clerics (life, light and tempest) none of them are CC. They have a few builds who do a lot of damage, they're the only tanky spell caster (besides abjuration wizard). No cleric 12 is worth it besides life and light. Tempest is amazing as a multiclass in some builds and other clerics are just great dips.

Was thinking of running Shadowtits as a war cleric/gloom stalker with the Shar spear whenever the new evil content drops.

One thing I don't understand is why do sorcerers get con saving throw proficiency? So they have the best casting stat (charisma,) they have OP action economy breaking features and on top of that they're the only caster who gets the most important saving throw proficiency for casters?
 

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Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
But clerics are alright at CC. Who's better at it aside from wlocks/bards?
Wizards (for example Divination specialists) and Sorcerers (particularly Fire with Fire Acuity, Quicken and Scorching Rays - and actual CC spells; or maybe with Heighten).

Kinda druids - although Nature and Tempest clerics can match that, I guess.
Yeah I don't really see clerics as that great at CC. The best clerics (life, light and tempest) none of them are CC. They have a few builds who do a lot of damage, they're the only tanky spell caster (besides abjuration wizard). No cleric 12 is worth it besides life and light. Tempest is amazing as a multiclass in some builds and other clerics are just great dips.

Was thinking of running Shadowtits as a war cleric/gloom stalker with the Shar spear whenever the new evil content drops.

One thing I don't understand is why do sorcerers get con saving throw proficiency? So they have the best casting stat (charisma,) they have OP action economy breaking features and on top of that they're the only caster who gets the most important saving throw proficiency for casters?
Well, Tempest does get Sleet Storm, which, while not the best CC overall, is quite strong and large aoe - and can win you many fights. Its generally better then what Bards bring to the table in the first half of the game.
Later on, Destructive Wave is nice.
And there are the neat sheningans with Wet surfaces, Watersparker's lightning charges (or from Shock spells) and Tempest Thunderbolt strikes.
Again, not the strongest ability possible and can be annoying to use in a party, but sure cool and thematic, basically passive supporting CC.

Damage-wise, there's Destructive Wrath, of course.

So IMO Tempest is not only the strongest cleric, but also the most fun to play, by far.
 

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Alright, I've reinstalled this trash. Time to do an origin run or two.

First, I will play everyone's favorite faggot elf. Out of mercy on you all, I think I will resist the temptation to use him as my avatar here again though.

After that, I plan to try out Wyll using the white Wyll mod and the Anomen AI voice override.

We'll see how far I can get before giving up.
 

dukeofwoodberry

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Had some extra time on my hands especially since I've been pulling some CQ shifts (sitting at a desk for 24 hours). So I booted up a new run. Haven't played the game since shortly after release. Man the companions are so bad. I literally cannot bring myself to play anything but durge/evil because I love killing Karlach and chopping off Ga(y)le's hand. Plus that faggot wyll leaves.

Lae'zel is by far the best companion. Nothing really cringe, has the right mindset for a warrior. Also would be the best romance if she wasnt a frog. Minthara would be decent if she was a full fledged companion.

Lol at shadowtits being a massive ho. When you're talking to the drow twins she's the only female romance who's cool with the foursome. I guess it's not that bad because you're the one who suggested it so she's just going along with it. But if Halsin's there he wants to join and shadowslut confesses she's been fantasizing about taking his bear cock right in front of you lmao.
 

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Never even recruited Karlach, pretty sure I never nope'd out as hard with any cRPG companion ever including the more cringy Bioware ones as soon as that tranny opened its mouth.
 

Rhobar121

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Never even recruited Karlach, pretty sure I never nope'd out as hard with any cRPG companion ever including the more cringy Bioware ones as soon as that tranny opened its mouth.
Just wait for the premiere of DA4. Judging by what Bioware showed, I'm sure everyone will miss her. The difference is that I'm pretty sure Bioware won't let you kill any of them.
 

jackofshadows

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Well, BG3 has good gameplay. DA4 will feature dogshit gameplay (the writing will be even worse) so there's literally zero reason to ever play it. So who cares whether you can kill those companions.
 

Rhobar121

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Well, BG3 has good gameplay. DA4 will feature dogshit gameplay (the writing will be even worse) so there's literally zero reason to ever play it. So who cares whether you can kill those companions.
We both know half of Codex will be playing it anyway and complaining about how shitty it is.
 

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I guess we should never underestimate the Codex's taste for crap, but I don't sense a lot of interest atm.

Maybe that will change though. I can't believe hoe many Bethesda NPCs here played Starfield.
 

axedice

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For an evil run, kill Karlach with Wyll in your party and the first night you're visited by Mizora , she gives a pretty good robe for that lvl. After that take Wyll to the shauagin village in the underdark and sacrifice him to the redcap god Boal, now the remaining party members have advantage on bleeding enemies until the end of the game. It is immensely useful with a tiger barb in the party and you can do this at lvl3. Using a tenacity weapon to apply bleed, this will make act1 on honor mode much easier.

As for Karlach, if you're not doing an evil run she's the best monk. Probably the best martial until astarion is ascended. Soul coins are plenty and you can have the bonus the entire game if you don't rest too much. Her writing is all over the place, but there are some good moments along with the cringy ones.

Talking about companions, Minthara's unique branding ability on weapons doesn't get spent on throwing weapons. So she's the best companion to have if you have a thrower in the party.
 

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Her writing is all over the place, but there are some good moments along with the cringy ones.
Her backstory might be interesting if she weren't written as reddit incarnate. I.e., trying to be the most likeable, relatable 6-foot tall, butch, scarified freak possible - but still totally hot, amirite?!
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I've said it a dozen times, but it seemed like there was a certain point in Early Access where the wheels fell off the writing team 7-man cuck squad's wagon, and they went full Larian with the most absurd, idiotic direction on everything possible.

As a late addition, I think Karlach exemplifies that with her Mary Sue backstory, cringe dialog and anime superhero version of a hedgehog's dilemma - which is probably her main redeeming trait, since it makes her the only one of two companions not constantly trying to jump your bone in Act 1.
 

dukeofwoodberry

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Never even recruited Karlach, pretty sure I never nope'd out as hard with any cRPG companion ever including the more cringy Bioware ones as soon as that tranny opened its mouth.
You're better off killing her. Cool scene where you get to raise up here severed head as a trophy plus you get a nice reward from the paladins of tyr.

Karlach is made for redditors
 

dukeofwoodberry

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For an evil run, kill Karlach with Wyll in your party and the first night you're visited by Mizora , she gives a pretty good robe for that lvl. After that take Wyll to the shauagin village in the underdark and sacrifice him to the redcap god Boal, now the remaining party members have advantage on bleeding enemies until the end of the game. It is immensely useful with a tiger barb in the party and you can do this at lvl3. Using a tenacity weapon to apply bleed, this will make act1 on honor mode much easier.

As for Karlach, if you're not doing an evil run she's the best monk. Probably the best martial until astarion is ascended. Soul coins are plenty and you can have the bonus the entire game if you don't rest too much. Her writing is all over the place, but there are some good moments along with the cringy ones.

Talking about companions, Minthara's unique branding ability on weapons doesn't get spent on throwing weapons. So she's the best companion to have if you have a thrower in the party.
I feel like that minthara branding-throwing weapon thing is a bug/exploit
 

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Insert Title Here Pathfinder: Wrath
But clerics are alright at CC. Who's better at it aside from wlocks/bards?
Wizards (for example Divination specialists) and Sorcerers (particularly Fire with Fire Acuity, Quicken and Scorching Rays - and actual CC spells; or maybe with Heighten).

Kinda druids - although Nature and Tempest clerics can match that, I guess.
Rangers!
 

cretin

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is there any reason to expect the mod tools will deliver anything other than booba mods? Like has anyone gotten a whiff of some SCS esque mod in the making, some project announced somewhere?
 
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finished it today. After 172 h I didn't even bother to fight
so I let Gale blew himself up. I only cared for Shadowheart. I wanted to shag her but didn't get the option because I shagged the devil lady.
Better then Dragon Age 3 but I did enjoy Pillars 1 more.
Didn't like the woke in act3 but I have to say I did enjoy the game. The combat is fantastic and you can get very easily lost in the world.
 

gurugeorge

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is there any reason to expect the mod tools will deliver anything other than booba mods? Like has anyone gotten a whiff of some SCS esque mod in the making, some project announced somewhere?

It often seems to happen that devs release modding tools too late after some script extension program has already "captured the market" and loads of good mods have been made with it, so the official tools languish becuase nobody can be bothered re-learning how to mod and using them. As it is now, apart from booba, there are tons of SE mods that change the rules in all sorts of ways (usually more strict RAW and that sort of thing, but a lot of stuff made for journo difficulty too), tons of new classes and sub-classes, spells, etc.
 

dukeofwoodberry

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Also why do people like Minsc? That guy is mad annoying.

I might have go and play bg1 and 2 which I never have before. Probably have to run evil again if the good companions are annoying like that.
 

kigmathelm

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Many original games companions are varying degrees of annoying, but at least they usually do not have overly woke bio + quest lines and there's less focus on companions in general than in bg3.

After playing bg3 I had to replay original games to cleanse my palate.

Also, in original games you can just do full custom party if you want to + evil / neutral companions are somewhat less annoying than good ones.
 

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