CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

[Fenix]

That also goes to show why CDPR are just muddled if they think an online C2077 can compete with games like Division 2 or Destiny 2

You arewrongif you think things they cut out from game won't appearin CPOnline.
That's why they were cut.

 

[Perkel]

Didn't very much like the story and I think it gets moving by a lot of plot induced stupidity - Why would Dex give V and Jackie the job to begin with? There's nothing to suggest they're anything more than low level thugs, certainly not someone you would send into Arasaka to steal their most prized possession.

Dex botched something in past and has been out of the game for 2 years, moreover fixers divide into two types, those who run with their own crew of tested mercs or like Dex which hires low level gonks so in case of fuckup there is no huge problem for him as he cuts off those low level gonks.

The whole deal was set up by VooDoo boys which were Dex kin as Dex is from Pacifica and only made possible by Evelyn whoring herself to Yorinobu which gave them access to some actual plan.

That being said the whole thing from start stunk which is expressed by few characters starting with V him/herself first. "Too good to be true."

Also, why would V and Jackie even take the job at that piece of shit cut of the profits? If the corporations are really as evil and powerful as the game wants to make you believe, this is the kind of gig where you want enough money from it to disappear - forever.

Because it was supposed to be super well paid. In game there is no direct quote on numbers but T-Bug was saying she would be out completely from merc job and V and Jackie would go straight up to the top of best mercs. So it was money and reputation.

No fame, no more fucking around Night City as a celebrity, just go away as far as possible and never be seen again. Instead, the corpos just come off as a big joke

Corpos are really powerful but they are not omnipotent, basically fixers, mercs etc all live in underground and even corpos know to stay away from underground. Moreover corpos in 77 still want to play make believe where they are not scourge because they know people could fuck them up if they push button too much. That is why they care about stuff like elections etc. Moreover they operate on profit so vendeta is passe in corpo world unless it brings profit.

Aside from that you have multiple corpos trying to fuck with each other. So you never know if this was some random low level gonk who klept you chip or militech goons or someone else goons, maybe gangs etc.

Beside that point corpos DO use mercs themselves so hitting on mercs instead of client also is not great outcome if you want to do biz with other mercs. Not always followed though.

Also when they talk "celebrity" they mean celebrity in underworld not celebrity like Eurodyne or Lizzy Wizzy.

 

[Tyranicon]

Everybody knows if you want real money, fame and e-girls, you make a Planescape: Torment.

I only want "good" RPG's.

Money and pussy comes from elsewhere and fame is just a passage to cancerous cancel culture, nobody in their senses wants that.

Thatsthejoke.jpg.

But seriously enough, nobody in their right mind wants to spend 5 years burning themselves out to make a "good" RPG that gets 10 steam purchases and then is mostly forgotten.

Nobody except the prestigious grognards on the 'dex of course. For every Underrail or similarly successful game, you have another ten lost in the cesspool that is Steam.

 

[undecaf]

Thatsthejoke.jpg.

But seriously enough, nobody in their right mind wants to spend 5 years burning themselves out to make a "good" RPG that gets 10 steam purchases and then is mostly forgotten.

Nobody except the prestigious grognards on the 'dex of course. For every Underrail or similarly successful game, you have another ten lost in the cesspool that is Steam.

Somehow, I did not get the joke at first...

Anyway, I do think the niche audience is large enough to sustain smalltimers like that, if only the word of mouth goes wide enough. But that's just a guess, of course. Nobody's going to make a living that way, if that's what you mean.

 

[Tyranicon]

Somehow, I did not get the joke at first...

Anyway, I do think the niche audience is large enough to sustain smalltimers like that, if only the word of mouth goes wide enough. But that's just a guess, of course. Nobody's going to make a living that way, if that's what you mean.

It is possible, there are a few smalltime devs that make "good" RPGs and are self-sustaining. Honestly, if you cater to a niche, have talent, and survive long enough, you'll probably do pretty good. Look at what Kenshi did with basically no marketing and crap-tier graphics. I'm not there yet, but I'm probably just shy of self-sustenance in a poverty-level kind of way.

Yeah, OK. But here's my biggest issue - you just were accused of wasting the big guy himself of Arasaka.

"Hey, you're the most wanted man in the world."

Does sidegigs.

"Hey, you're gonna die in two weeks."

Does sidegigs.

 

[undecaf]

It is possible, there are a few smalltime devs that make "good" RPGs and are self-sustaining. Honestly, if you cater to a niche, have talent, and survive long enough, you'll probably do pretty good. Look at what Kenshi did with basically no marketing and crap-tier graphics. I'm not there yet, but I'm probably just shy of self-sustenance in a poverty-level kind of way.

Yeah. That's what I've been trying to say for years. If a game is good, it will find its audience. I'm not personally a fan of Kenshi, but I can see why it is popular with those who play it.

 

[Perkel]

True, this is mentioned in the game, but otherwise I find that there is little precious done to show what the characters is about. You're just TOLD that he's one of the best, but he just comes across as a barely competent fool.

It is Jackie idea to run with Dex. And he was one of the best fixers in towns until his "downfall" 2 years ago. This was supposed to be his return. Point is that he couldn't probably hire better mercs as no one good wanted to work with him.

You could make the case that Dex is not as smart as he thinks he is, so your mileage may vary, but the fat fuck could stand for some more characterization. And if some smartass stuck it in some shard, they can go fuck themselves, not because reading is teh hard, but because I don't want to read a book to make sense of your other book.

That is the whole point. He is not smart as he thinks he is. Jackie is also dumbass. I mean he constantly says stuff like be on top dying or be no one etc. to motivate you to get this job. No it was not some shard data. You could get that from just talking with him and few other characters in prologue. Vic outright says that "you should be careful about working with Dex, i heard some stuff about him"

On that note. He probably knew you will be removed as "riannion" after whole thing along with Jackie. Much like Evelyn was to cover tracks.

Nope, I'm sticking with plot induced stupidity.

Ehh not really. The mistake is the ballpark of money involved not mentioned but overall it was not known precisely how much they can get from that chip, only that it was huge money for such important piece of tech. This is why % mattered not how much in talk. It was clear that it was enough money to set up people for life if they wanted.

Yeah, OK. But here's my biggest issue - you just were accused of wasting the big guy himself of Arasaka. Your face is on the news. How the hell they only send Goro after you, then some random goons and then you're just free to fuck around the city care free? Sure, it was junior that wasted the old man, but I find it hard to believe he can just bury the whole thing without actually burying V, given that it's kind of public knowledge and nothing that happened behind close doors with 0 witnesses.

When Vic installs Kiroshi eye he says that one of the things it does is that it covers face in cameras, your body is visible but your face is not. Goro was supposed to find who did that thing and he only came to know you when Dex showed him the spot where he buried your corpse. This is the same part where Arasaka sends after him assasins so Arasaka does not know how you look like or that you even live as probably Dex told Goro when Goro was still runningwith Arasaka that you were dead (which was true). They basically wanted your body for Soulkiller much like Jackie body for investigation.

So Arasaka does not know how you look like and they think you are dead much like Jackie.

Fame is fame. You don't appear in the tabloids, but people know who you are. The more people know who you are, the more likely it is somebody is going to spill the beans. And it might happen that some Arasaka goon is the one who hears. Incoming assault teams through your living room window.

Explained above. Arasaka does not know who you are and the didn't even get your body as Goro was supposed to be assassinated.

I tried to find holes in script earlier but i can't really. The only part that doesn't jive well with me is Alt Cunningam as AI-Engram mix which behaves like servant. But that too can be explained by few lines she says about what is behind blackwall which is not cliche hivemind but another world with factions etc. It just doesn't seem "right" to me that she is so human after spending so much time behind blackwall.

 

[Turjan]

For whatever reason, there are almost no netrunners in the game.

I guess you killed the leadership of the Voodoo Boys. If you do that, most of the Voodoo Boys in Pacifica get replaced by Scavs and Valentinos. Which in turn deprives you of quickhack farming by killing Voodoo Boys netrunners.

 

[ADL]

Also, why would V and Jackie even take the job at that piece of shit cut of the profits? If the corporations are really as evil and powerful as the game wants to make you believe, this is the kind of gig where you want enough money from it to disappear - forever. No fame, no more fucking around Night City as a celebrity, just go away as far as possible and never be seen again.

Literally the most important fixer in all of Night City got away with her role in nuking Night City 1.0 and she's still around half a century later.

On August 20, 2023, an incursion team led by Solo Morgan Blackhand and Rockerboy Johnny Silverhand attempted an infiltration mission to steal/destroy the Arasaka Secure Reliquary Database inside Arasaka Tower in Night City. During the assault, an area denial nuclear device, or "pocket nuke" was planned to be detonated in the building, with the planned area to absorb the impact of the blast and prevent massive destruction.[2] However, due to interference by Arasaka and Adam Smasher, the nuclear device prematurely detonated on the 120th floor, 366 meters above the ground, obliterating Corpo Plaza and a large portion of City Center, and scattering radioactive fallout across the rest of Night City. The blast instantly incinerated over 12,000 people in the vicinity of Arasaka Tower and fatally injured upwards of half a million more. Another quarter million died in the resulting aftermath over weeks and months.[3][1]

In the public's eyes, the reasoning for the nuclear detonation is never uncovered. Some believe it was Militech's overzealous desire to crush Arasaka, while others believe it was an area denial weapon meant to protect the Arasaka Towers.[4]

Within hours, then–US President Elizabeth Kress nationalized Militech through the expedience of their CEO, General Donald Lundee, and his reserve commission.[5] Militech is placed thoroughly under the control of the still sizable United States military, and banished all Arasaka forces from the continental US under the threat of a retaliatory strike on Arasaka's Tokyo headquarters. Other nations swiftly followed the US's lead, nationalizing and/or interdicting assets of both participants of the War.

As far as I know, they never elaborate on what deal she cut with Arasaka and Johnny only accuses her and she brushes it off but if she can get away with that, they'll forgive the immortality chip heist especially considering they're done with it and it's essentially only kept around as a trophy.

 

[Perkel]

Why corpos won't remove underground is explained in few ways:

- you can't remove underground. You just remove current players will new one will rise up.
- corpos themselves use fixers and mercs. Corpo start shows this with you trying to hire hit squad with jackie as Solo and Nomad playtrough where Bakkers were on leash of some corporation not officially.

In case of bombing of Arasaka Militech was behind it. So Johny and rest were just idiot gonks to deliver payload. In game there is quest about Rogue and you can learn that she "cut a deal" with Arasaka, don't know what it was though as i think i failed that quest.

speaking of main plot. I just realized that Dex probably would also be removed.

The whole thing was setup by VooDoo Boys and Dex was familiar with them. VooDoo Boys wanted chip and Dex thought they would be selling it to someone else instead of using it for their own purpose. So probably Dex was also probably be cleaned up by them later on.

 

[T.Ashpool]

damn those street fights are honestly a masterclass of game design, creativity, storytelling, balance and just pure FUN. thanks for keeping them in the game cdpr

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

I wonder if Square sees some hole in this clusterfuck release to fill with more DX...

They killed Deus Ex because they couldn't stuff it with mictro transactions. They are not that smart

actually they killed deus ex because they *did* stuff it with microtransactions.

 

[ADL]

actually they killed deus ex because they *did* stuff it with microtransactions.

It's a damn shame too because the praxis kits were completely unnecessary and when the credits rolled I laughed and thought to myself who the fuck would pay for them? I was rolling in them by playing the game. At this point I'm more convinced that the cretins who flipped out over the non-ending were the ones that killed the series.

MD had possibly the greatest setup for a sequel too.

Spoiler

spooky X-Files shit including the Versalife vault, Jensen's apartment being monitored, the handler at the intelligence agency and the mysterious augmentations

 

[Terra]

SquareEnix hasn't got a fucking clue how to run/manage its western IP. Hitman devs had a lucky escape, but just see how much they were floundering despite having the best iteration on the IP in years. MD should have been a home run, yet rumours circled about how the last part of the game got chopped off. Continuing on, you take a look at their ongoing history of botched "directors cut" ports that somehow end up worse off than the original versions, and if that's not enough, they laughably devalue their western IPs (frequent 85%+ sales on all western IP) yet the oh so prestigious japanese IPs will never dip below 50% due to the faded prestige of years gone by. Whole company is a shitshow.

 

[Mortmal]

Everybody knows if you want real money, fame and e-girls, you make a Planescape: Torment.

I only want "good" RPG's.

Money and pussy comes from elsewhere and fame is just a passage to cancerous cancel culture, nobody in their senses wants that.

Thatsthejoke.jpg.

But seriously enough, nobody in their right mind wants to spend 5 years burning themselves out to make a "good" RPG that gets 10 steam purchases and then is mostly forgotten.

Nobody except the prestigious grognards on the 'dex of course. For every Underrail or similarly successful game, you have another ten lost in the cesspool that is Steam.

Too few prestigious grognards and dont count on them . If you find a great game and ask people to play it in shoutbox they will say no, cause its on steam and they want drm free. If by luck its not only on steam , they will still complain its not on linux. If once a blue moon its on linux they will disgruntedly stop posting their opinion about trump , women, or jews and look at it . They will say they may purchase on sale or for 1$ on humble bundle but most likely proceed to torrent it.

 

[alyvain]

It was clear that it was enough money to set up people for life if they wanted

that's exactly what the black techno-girl was saying.

 

[Tyranicon]

Everybody knows if you want real money, fame and e-girls, you make a Planescape: Torment.

I only want "good" RPG's.

Money and pussy comes from elsewhere and fame is just a passage to cancerous cancel culture, nobody in their senses wants that.

Thatsthejoke.jpg.

But seriously enough, nobody in their right mind wants to spend 5 years burning themselves out to make a "good" RPG that gets 10 steam purchases and then is mostly forgotten.

Nobody except the prestigious grognards on the 'dex of course. For every Underrail or similarly successful game, you have another ten lost in the cesspool that is Steam.

Too few prestigious grognards and dont count on them . If you find a great game and ask people to play it in shoutbox they will say no, cause its on steam and they want drm free. If by luck its not only on steam , they will still complain its not on linux. If once a blue moon its on linux they will disgruntedly stop posting their opinion about trump , women, or jews and look at it . They will say they may purchase on sale or for 1$ on humble bundle but most likely proceed to torrent it.

That's pretty much the internet in a nutshell. Codex is no exception, except with a higher age average.

 

[Necroscope]

Everybody knows if you want real money, fame and e-girls, you make a Planescape: Torment.

I only want "good" RPG's.

Money and pussy comes from elsewhere and fame is just a passage to cancerous cancel culture, nobody in their senses wants that.

Thatsthejoke.jpg.

But seriously enough, nobody in their right mind wants to spend 5 years burning themselves out to make a "good" RPG that gets 10 steam purchases and then is mostly forgotten.

Nobody except the prestigious grognards on the 'dex of course. For every Underrail or similarly successful game, you have another ten lost in the cesspool that is Steam.

Too few prestigious grognards and dont count on them . If you find a great game and ask people to play it in shoutbox they will say no, cause its on steam and they want drm free. If by luck its not only on steam , they will still complain its not on linux. If once a blue moon its on linux they will disgruntedly stop posting their opinion about trump , women, or jews and look at it . They will say they may purchase on sale or for 1$ on humble bundle but most likely proceed to torrent it.

That's pretty much the internet in a nutshell. Codex is no exception, except with a higher age average.

On the other side of the spectrum you have the polite crowd that always gets excited about upcoming AAA titles and preorders them despite many warnings and lessons from the past. After an overhyped game turns out to be shit, they parrot the same comments and memes over and over again under 30 min analysis videos on youtube. Balanced.

The game is rigged from the start.

 

[taxalot]

 

[orcinator]

Nope, I'm sticking with plot induced stupidity. For a job like this I want clear numbers and those numbers better be enough to get myself a new face, new papers, and a ticket to Mars. The whole scene where you go over the plan with DEx and find out he screws you over in the split reminded me of that scene in the Jackal with Bruce Willis in which he gets hired to assassinate the US First Lady - he clearly states that if he takes that job it needs to pay enough for him to drop off the face of the Earth. V and Jackie are like "pays good? what? we're getting screwed? got a number at least? no? ok, we'll fucking do it, want us to blow you now or after?"

Dex was aware that had the plan worked out, the payment would be scaled to V's level.

 

[undecaf]

Everybody knows if you want real money, fame and e-girls, you make a Planescape: Torment.

I only want "good" RPG's.

Money and pussy comes from elsewhere and fame is just a passage to cancerous cancel culture, nobody in their senses wants that.

Thatsthejoke.jpg.

But seriously enough, nobody in their right mind wants to spend 5 years burning themselves out to make a "good" RPG that gets 10 steam purchases and then is mostly forgotten.

Nobody except the prestigious grognards on the 'dex of course. For every Underrail or similarly successful game, you have another ten lost in the cesspool that is Steam.

Too few prestigious grognards and dont count on them . If you find a great game and ask people to play it in shoutbox they will say no, cause its on steam and they want drm free. If by luck its not only on steam , they will still complain its not on linux. If once a blue moon its on linux they will disgruntedly stop posting their opinion about trump , women, or jews and look at it . They will say they may purchase on sale or for 1$ on humble bundle but most likely proceed to torrent it.

That's pretty much the internet in a nutshell. Codex is no exception, except with a higher age average.

If I ever got to the position to make a game, it would be nearly text based.

I do not know about the others, nor do I care.

 

[Perkel]

well found this in Kabuki market ripperdoc.
I am only lvl5 lol. 14k was steep but should work into "heavy" build

edit: ok i am fucking stupid idiot. There is TRADE option also when you do stuff with ripperdocks and they have mods you can buy for your implants.................

 

[moon knight]

actually they killed deus ex because they *did* stuff it with microtransactions.

No, Square Enix killed it because it wasn't profitable enough with mtx. They decided to make the studio work on a full GaaS game, Avengers....

We all know how that turned out.

I'm scared for the future of Deus Ex, Square may decided to bring it back, but turning it into a full game as service monstruosity

 

[TT1]

How many eCelebs are in the game? I just recognized that lunatic near Misty's and soyboy Cox.
I guess not knowing anyone else is a good thing.

The Ozob clown is a brazilian eCeleb too.

 

[Quillon]

looks like some half ass deepfake, must be the worst one among these cameos.