CKII is released.

[Kem0sabe]

That sounds fucking amazing, i´m literally giddy with excitement.

 

[Emily]

Adventurers: Landless characters can gather armies and go off to carve out new realms on their own.

Wut

 

[Trash]

Adventurers: Landless characters can gather armies and go off to carve out new realms on their own.

Wut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Guiscard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_Italy

Why do you think the Normans took over Southern Italy? Landless sons moving there to set up a new career as mercs and brigands and finally figuring out they could carve out some territory of their own.

 

[XenomorphII]

Important to note though that it is already confirmed that it is for AI characters only.

Also 867 is a new start date, but they aren't filling in the years between then and 1060.

Source: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...C-(Pagans)&p=14957969&viewfull=1#post14957969

 

[Irenaeus]

Adventurers, Prepared Invasions, Rebels with a Cause, Loot and pillage provinces, Missionaires.

Finally some reason to get back to the game, even if I don't want to play pagans, muslims, republics, papacies, aztecs, persian theocracies, democracies, communists, nazis or whatever.

 

[Irenaeus]

Important to note though that it is already confirmed that it is for AI characters only.

Also 867 is a new start date, but they aren't filling in the years between then and 1060.

Source: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?662782-Crusader-Kings-2-The-Old-Gods-DLC-(Pagans)&p=14957969&viewfull=1#post14957969

 

[Kem0sabe]

I always play as Portugal, after claiming independence from Galicia, but with this new DLC i think there is not way i can justify not playing as a Vikiing, just sounds too awesome not to.

 

[XenomorphII]

I always play as Portugal, after claiming independence from Galicia, but with this new DLC i think there is not way i can justify not playing as a Vikiing, just sounds too awesome not to.

That and playing a Zoroastrian and driving back the spread of Islam sounds like fun.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Adventurers: Landless characters can gather armies and go off to carve out new realms on their own.

Wut

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Guiscard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_conquest_of_southern_Italy

Why do you think the Normans took over Southern Italy? Landless sons moving there to set up a new career as mercs and brigands and finally figuring out they could carve out some territory of their own.

Besides, this is a great gameplay addition that might hopefully shake things up.

EDIT: On a related note, seems like I'm pushing back updating my shit again.

EDIT2: And I better get to kill a shitload of viking bastards thinking they can come raiding on MY shores.

 

[Konjad]

Sounds awesome, I can't wait until it's released!

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

I wonder if they'll add the interesting recent discovery that Rurikids were genetically of Finno-Ugric ancestry.

 

[Irenaeus]

I wonder if they'll add the interesting recent discovery that Rurikids were genetically of Finno-Ugric ancestry.

Really? I thought they were Varangians/Vikings. o_O

 

[mondblut]

• New special start date in 867 AD: The Viking Rurik has founded the kingdom of Rus and the Great Heathen Army under the sons of Ragnar Lodbrok rampages through England.
• Sacrifice to Odin at the great Blot!
• New events and decisions: berserkers, sejdr, curses, omens, divinations, runestones and much more.

FUCK
YEAH

867 is much more than I could have hoped. Too bad they didn't bother with any in-between scenarios, let alone establishing a full lineage, but I figure every additional time-slice would double the amount of work.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

I wonder if they'll add the interesting recent discovery that Rurikids were genetically of Finno-Ugric ancestry.

Really? I thought they were Varangians/Vikings. o_O

Swedes (and to a lesser extent Russians) spent 800 years enforcing a picture of Finns as primitive sub-niggers of no worth. Only in the recent years has the history of Finns been under re-evaluation, and the discovery of Rurik most likely belonging to Finno-Ugrics is just one of the new discoveries. The archaeological digs near Hämeenlinna that unearthed an ancient town and digs in Nyland showing habitation long before colonization during the Middle Ages are part of this as well.

 

[Destroid]

Does this mean you will now welcome your Russian brothers?

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Does this mean you will now welcome your Russian brothers?

Of course not! That would be totally out of character.

 

[Irenaeus]

I wonder if they'll add the interesting recent discovery that Rurikids were genetically of Finno-Ugric ancestry.

Really? I thought they were Varangians/Vikings. o_O

Swedes (and to a lesser extent Russians) spent 800 years enforcing a picture of Finns as primitive sub-niggers of no worth. Only in the recent years has the history of Finns been under re-evaluation, and the discovery of Rurik most likely belonging to Finno-Ugrics is just one of the new discoveries. The archaeological digs near Hämeenlinna that unearthed an ancient town and digs in Nyland showing habitation long before colonization during the Middle Ages are part of this as well.

Not sure if I should believe you, you have nationalistic interest in the subject. But then again, who doesn't?

After reading this from wikipedia (lol): "Genealogical DNA test results of modern Rurikid princes indicate that Rurik was of Finno-Ugrian descent (haplogroup N1c1).,[5] however the Rurikids do not possess the DYS390=24 mutation associated with the Finnic languages, theirs remaining the ancestral DYS390=23, with the Rurikid haplotype itself (all values considered) more closely associated with [North] Germanic speakers (Varangians)", I guess it's all up in the air. I always feel lost in these matters, since I'm an ignorant in genetic genealogy.

 

[Malakal]

Let me put it this way: being related to Russians sucks. So if indeed Finns are related to Rurik I would sweep that under the rug.

 

[Irenaeus]

So if indeed Finns are related to Rurik I would sweep that under the rug.

Not really, who wouldn't like to be related to the guy that destroyed Khazarian jewery?

 

[Snerf]

As an American/Canadian, all this Russian/Swedish/Finnish heritage banter is confusing and amusing.

 

[Trash]

That's okay. You really can't help it that you don't have a real culture and history.

 

[eric__s]

hell yeah

Best expansion imaginable. Far exceeds my expectations. Good job Paradox.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Now that I've had my moment of nationalist masturbation and /gd/ antics, I guess it's time to be serious.


I am quite surprised that they extended the timeframe. That would mean that this is probably THE biggest expansion DLC to CK2 yet. Something I very much approve of. However, there's still the big concern that it'll be an "it's all about the vikings" DLC in the vein every other DLC has been, even when there's a lot more pagans around than just said Norse salmonbuggerers (ie, the aforemention Tavastians). The mention of Zoroastrians is good news though, and gives hope for a more generalized approach to the pagans.

 

[XenomorphII]

Now that I've had my moment of nationalist masturbation and /gd/ antics, I guess it's time to be serious.


I am quite surprised that they extended the timeframe. That would mean that this is probably THE biggest expansion DLC to CK2 yet. Something I very much approve of. However, there's still the big concern that it'll be an "it's all about the vikings" DLC in the vein every other DLC has been, even when there's a lot more pagans around than just said Norse salmonbuggerers (ie, the aforemention Tavastians). The mention of Zoroastrians is good news though, and gives hope for a more generalized approach to the pagans.

One of the devs has already said:

"Vikings are the main focus, but expect some content for Mongols, Zoroastrians and other pagans as well."

And another not much further down:

"The expansion is called "The Old Gods" because it is about all the old Pagan religions, plus Zoroastrianism. Expect unique content for each."

Source: http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum...her-Pagans&p=14958005&viewfull=1#post14958005

I take that to mean that they will all get some love, but that Vikings will end up getting more.

 

[Cassidy]

Paradox is Swedish. Even without the naturally greater appeal of Vikings, it's natural they'd focus on them.

 

[Irenaeus]

Paradox is Swedish. Even without the naturally greater appeal of Vikings, it's natural they'd focus on them.

It's actually intriguing that they have only done a couple of viking-themed games and expansions, considering this.