Code Vein - new action RPG from God Eater devs at Bandai Namco

[Kruno]

Will there be a difficulty increase mod?

 

[Reinhardt]

Nioh is best souls-like game. They somehow managed to avoid main genre problem - there is nothing to do after you finish game once.

 

[Haplo]

Nioh is also the best Souls type game mechanics - build and combat wise - by a pretty wide margin.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Nioh is also the best Souls type game mechanics - build and combat wise - by a pretty wide margin.

Yet for some reason it always manages to bore me. Never beaten it, despite making it very far into the game and spending a lot of time with it. I still think Dark Souls 2 and Demon's Souls are the contenders for the best mechanics out of all of them. Demon's Souls in particular is the most RPG out of all them with enemies having the most significant strength/weaknesses which makes builds much more significant when dealing with fights.

Also, Demon's Souls is the most hardass game i've ever seen. The final boss in that game can permanently take away your levels, and dying in a level makes that level harder - which can quickly spiral out of control.

 

[Reinhardt]

Souls are ok games to beat once but there is zero reasons to bother with ng+ and so on. Nioh was the only game i enjoyed further playthroughs.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Souls are ok games to beat once but there is zero reasons to bother with ng+ and so on. Nioh was the only game i enjoyed further playthroughs.

I like to play them on NG+ several times before considering a Souls game "done". DS2 even has new enemies and stuff on NG+ and so on. But i agree that once you retire a Souls game there is not much reason to go back... That's a lot of games though.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Nioh is also the best Souls type game mechanics - build and combat wise - by a pretty wide margin.

Yet for some reason it always manages to bore me. Never beaten it, despite making it very far into the game and spending a lot of time with it. I still think Dark Souls 2 and Demon's Souls are the contenders for the best mechanics out of all of them. Demon's Souls in particular is the most RPG out of all them with enemies having the most significant strength/weaknesses which makes builds much more significant when dealing with fights.

Also, Demon's Souls is the most hardass game i've ever seen. The final boss in that game can permanently take away your levels, and dying in a level makes that level harder - which can quickly spiral out of control.

I beat Nioh and tried getting into the endgame, but at the end of the day it's all about your stats. If you lack sufficient attack power the enemy can just block everything you do forever, and if you lack sufficient defense you can't block anything at all. Which turns the combat into a terrible slog of dodge spam and tickling the enemy with weak counter hits. The optimal builds I've heard people refer to also tend to revolve around spamming a single move, which sounds boring as fuck.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I beat Nioh and tried getting into the endgame, but at the end of the day it's all about your stats. If you lack sufficient attack power the enemy can just block everything you do forever, and if you lack sufficient defense you can't block anything at all. Which turns the combat into a terrible slog of dodge spam and tickling the enemy with weak counter hits. The optimal builds I've heard people refer to also tend to revolve around spamming a single move, which sounds boring as fuck.

Yeah overall the combat in that game is just mediocre for me. Can't find much reason to keep going after a while since every encounter ends up being the same exact routine.

 

[Child of Malkav]

I just made it to the Gilded Hunter. Jesus. I don't think I'm gonna make it to the end. Almost dropped him a few times. Just more spin to win moves because why not.
First hit in a combo staggers you enough to keep you in place to get hit by the rest of the attacks. Fucking KEK. And this happens with pretty much every boss. Every boss that has a combo or 180/360° attacks, holy shit, you better dodge that perfectly because otherwise that's when your run ends.
Just not fun bosses. They're not difficult but overstay their welcome because of crap like this. I don't remember From Software having any of this cheap stuff. Their games had issues with tracking and camera more than anything.
Sad to see that this is all they understood from the Soulsbornekiro games.
To think I was hyped for this.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Just not fun bosses. They're not difficult but overstay their welcome because of crap like this.

My sentiment exactly. I actually started playing DS2 and man i'm having a blast. The bosses are so much better. They all have their unique identity. Some of them do actually employ spin moves, but it always has an opening, unlike CV's bosses whose spin attacks make them completely immune. But you point out the exact problem with the bosses in CV. They are not difficult, they are just annoying. It's not even about dodging per se, you can easily dash out of their spin attacks by using the quick-type dodge, but there is no fun in beating bosses with such mediocre movesets. The first two bosses in the game, the butterfly and the persecutor really gave me the wrong idea about bosses in the game. Those two were excellent. Sadly the quality drops sharply after that starting with the despot.

Another thing that bothers me with the game is how slow it is, despite feeling very "anime". This game has no business being so slow when your character's attack and move animations are as if he/she is made of paper. It's not fun slowly running (or slowly sprinting) through that repetitive map design whatsoever. And the stagger is just horrible. Even DS 1 doesn't suffer from that stupid stagger duration.

 

[Reinhardt]

I just blocked everything with my zweihander while dodging really dangerous stuff. Works against most bosses.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

I just blocked everything with my zweihander while dodging really dangerous stuff. Works against most bosses.

No it's not about that. There are many viable builds against the bosses. It's about player enjoyment.

 

[PrettyDeadman]

THIS VS ASH OF REMNANTS VS SURGE 2?

 

[Reinhardt]

I enjoyed blocking everything and laughing in their animu faces.

 

[Child of Malkav]

Finally done that Hunter boss. Gonna take a break. Fuck this.
Also regretting not starting as a melee character. Started as a caster and although I finally got some good spells I just can't use them in all fights because bosses they get extremely fast in subsequent phases so I'm stuck to playing like I played all Soulsbornekiro games. Well I guess it comes naturally at this point but still wanted something different.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

THIS VS ASH OF REMNANTS VS SURGE 2?

I didn't play ash of remnants, but The Surge 2 > Code Vein for sure. I actually beat The Surge 2 and love every second.

 

[Reinhardt]

The Surge 2

Too many bull dyke niggers.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Too many bull dyke niggers.

But you get to chop their limbs off if that's your thing.

 

[Reinhardt]

Too many bull dyke niggers.

But you get to chop their limbs off if that's your thing.

You still must play as one.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

You still must play as one.

? Has a character builder ?

 

[cvv]

Also, Demon's Souls is the most hardass game i've ever seen. The final boss in that game can permanently take away your levels, and dying in a level makes that level harder - which can quickly spiral out of control.

Well only if you run around in your mortal body which you never wanna do.

Dark Souls is a refinement of DeS and DS2 is a refinement of DS1 but DeS is probably the one Souls-iike that should be in the Hall of Fame. I can't stop being in awe of all the shit Miyazaki got right at his first go. And most of it was totally original.

 

[GentlemanCthulhu]

Dark Souls is a refinement of DeS and DS2 is a refinement of DS1 but DeS is probably the one Souls-iike that should be in the Hall of Fame. I can't stop being in awe of all the shit Miyazaki got right at his first go. And most of it was totally original.

It's really hard for me to decide. I like all souls games for specific reasons. For me the hall of fame award is contest between DeS and DaS 1. Anyhow, I just put ~10 hours into DaS 2. Got all the way to Black Gulch. The game stands up pretty well. It's very ugly compared to DaS 3 and Sekiro, and it feels slightly clunky, but I prefer it 100% over Code Vein. It was a real blast playing.

 

[Haplo]

So, I've unlocked Fionn and Red Shoes Gift together with a big weapon seems really fun for stunlocking enemies till they die....

Inspired by the Red Shockwave build, I'm a little tempted to go back to the Zwei... it's vertical slams should be decent enough at causing the shockwaves with Atlas Impact Shockwave Gift.

I no longer think the game's too easy. Though the beginning sure was. Now though... Damn yetis....

Also changed my mind and enjoy the company of a sidekick... even if does make me quite careless... that game is not exactly as... oppressive in atmosphere as Dark Souls, so sometimes rushing trough it and taking it easy seems fitting. Plus some places / invasions, you can really use the support.

 

[Child of Malkav]

So, I've unlocked Fionn and Red Shoes Gift together with a big weapon seems really fun for stunlocking enemies till they die....

Inspired by the Red Shockwave build, I'm a little tempted to go back to the Zwei... it's vertical slams should be decent enough at causing the shockwaves with Atlas Impact Shockwave Gift.

I no longer think the game's too easy. Though the beginning sure was. Now though... Damn yetis....

Also changed my mind and enjoy the company of a sidekick... even if does make me quite careless... that game is not exactly as... oppressive in atmosphere as Dark Souls, so sometimes rushing trough it and taking it easy seems fitting. Plus some places / invasions, you can really use the support.

You're in the snowy area?

 

[Haplo]

Actually just finished it and entered the caverns below the cathedral. Got beaten by the Gilded Hunter once.

In the snowy area, I actually gave up on beating one of the Yetis out of frustration - and runned past it.
When I started that area, the snow covered chasms and enemies knocking you down from the ledges sure felt cheap.
I guess I started to notice those light blue pits later. But fuck those yeti projectiles throwing you into these chasms.

Hmm, maybe I should revisit that 3rd Yeti with Red Shoes... or Final Journey. And maybe a Fire enchanted blade? It looks like he covers himself with some icy armor, wonder if Fire would help, as he takes very little damage with that armor afterwards. Not that I expect him to drop something interesting.