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Diablo IV

Tyranicon

A Memory of Eternity
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I don't really care what the characters look like.
I'm more worried about how much worse than D3 they can make this...

:what:

D3 is already garbage tier.

Outside of the monetization, they would really have to try to make it worse.

And from the thrashing that Immortal got, maybe the monetization will be better, seeing how D4 is not supposed to be a ptw mobile game...
 
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Lim-Dûl

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It won't be better, it will be utter shit, but will trick people into thinking it's "not bad" while they're forming their first impressions, so that they leave positive reviews and get their friends to buy the game, and then after about a week of playing, they will realize the game is in fact incorrigible, unequivocal shit, but by then it's too late, because they already left their reviews and spend their money. This is the standard Blizzshart procedure post WoW. All of this will be aided by disproportionately obsessed PR (for what will be an unremarkable game by any rational standard) including "previously cynical" strimmers and youtubers who are, for untold reasons, suddenly "hyped" who unanimously say "I don't know guys, D3 was bad, but this doesn't look too bad, digging the artstyle blah blah..."
 

Cryomancer

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Diablo 3 :
- Stat stickie itemization
- Everyone is a clone
- Difficulty is just gear check wall
- Wow nonsensical armor
- Cartoonish artstyle
- WoW style cooldown based combat
- (...)

How D4 can be worse than D3??
 
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Lim-Dûl

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Diablo 3 :
- Stat stickie itemization
- Everyone is a clone
- Difficulty is just gear check wall
- Wow nonsensical armor
- Cartoonish artstyle
- WoW style cooldown based combat
- (...)

How D4 can be worse than D3??
It's irrelevant whether D4 will be worse than D3 when both will be absolute shit. It wouldn't matter if D4 was visually like D2 with more pixels, because the core mechanics will be extremely dumbed down, because Blizzard is afraid its players, retarded in its estimation, would get confused and upset and quit if they have to think about more than two numbers for their characters.
 

luj1

You're all shills
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Diablo 3 :
- Stat stickie itemization
- Everyone is a clone
- Difficulty is just gear check wall
- Wow nonsensical armor
- Cartoonish artstyle
- WoW style cooldown based combat
- (...)

How D4 can be worse than D3??

Because its even more dumbed down than D3
 

Diggfinger

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Never thought I'd say this but...this looks interesting

Love the dark art-style, and the open-world looks cool.

Also...it has couch co-op on Xbox Series X
:desu:
 

Perkel

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Diablo 3 :
- Stat stickie itemization
- Everyone is a clone
- Difficulty is just gear check wall
- Wow nonsensical armor
- Cartoonish artstyle
- WoW style cooldown based combat
- (...)

How D4 can be worse than D3??

If they don't change design mentioned in blog posts D4 should be major incline. Game director seemed to understand things. Unfortunately he got kick due to metoo shit. So who knows now.

I am more surprised by them targeting 2023. I fully expected this to be 2025 at least. POE devs also probably targeted 2025 and now Blizzard will skullfuck them. Oh how mighty have fallen.
 

Fedora Master

STOP POSTING
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It's irrelevant whether D4 will be worse than D3 when both will be absolute shit. It wouldn't matter if D4 was visually like D2 with more pixels, because the core mechanics will be extremely dumbed down, because Blizzard is afraid its players, retarded in its estimation, would get confused and upset and quit if they have to think about more than two numbers for their characters.

To be fair, modern Blizzard fans absolutely would be confused and upset.
 

Sonic Titan

Educated
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Looks promising; will probably end up being dogshit. D2 ruined every other ARPG for me. Nothing comes close.
 

abija

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I am more surprised by them targeting 2023. I fully expected this to be 2025 at least. POE devs also probably targeted 2025 and now Blizzard will skullfuck them. Oh how mighty have fallen.
Skull fuck? There wasn't anything in that video that would make a PoE player even remotely interested. It seems designed to resonate with reddit circle jerks not actual players.
It will probably sell a lot but it won't affect PoE at all.
 

ArchAngel

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Skull fuck? There wasn't anything in that video that would make a PoE player even remotely interested. It seems designed to resonate with reddit circle jerks not actual players.
It will probably sell a lot but it won't affect PoE at all.
As a PoE player I disagree. Animations are much nicer, shapeshifting druids look nice and open world might be awesome. Also needing to conquer areas to turn them into friendly villages. Also I bet gameplay will be much better than cancer that PoE has become in last few years.
 

Immortal

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I now understand why video game companies pander to the 'dyke lesbian aesthetic'.
They are pretending to be woke because hair physics are hard to do below the shoulder.

Fuck, it's a conspiracy.
 
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Lim-Dûl

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Skull fuck? There wasn't anything in that video that would make a PoE player even remotely interested. It seems designed to resonate with reddit circle jerks not actual players.
It will probably sell a lot but it won't affect PoE at all.
Obviously sweaty Diablo players will have no choice but to part with their money when a new Diablo game comes out, and they will be forced to play it while complaining about how bad it is. And then they will wonder why developers don't make games like they used to.
 

Zlaja

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Outside of the Codex most people who have worries about the game seem to worry about the game lacking enough end game content. I wish the same people would spend more time worrying whether this game will feature proper character development, different builds for each class and whether loot design will be less retarded than in D3.
 

DeepOcean

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Man, if Diablo IV will be a decent ARPG and wont follow Diablo Immoral footsteps and fucking paywall the main game loop, I dunno. I just wish those ARPGs stopped with this nonsense of making you go through 30hs of banal tutorial difficulty nonsense before the real game actually start, I always end burned out LONG before I reach the real game, the end game, you pass through 30 hs of the difficulty being a joke and the story on those games usually is worse than the plot of a porn movie so I cant even count on that to keep me awake until the end and you have fanboys defending that shit as if trudging through boring nonsense was a mark of value.

Only ARPGs I managed to truly enjoy on the last few years was Grim Dawn and Last Epoch that at least had unique gimmicks to distract you until you find the first enemies that can actually kill you. Man, even something simple like having a bossfight at level 3 with high chances of actually killing you would be an improvement... hey, when it was the last time that happened on a ARPG? Yeah, Diablo I.
 

SumDrunkGuy

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Titan Quest seemed cool af, how you could mix classes. Don't think I ever played a Diablo clone that was quite like that. I had to give up on it because the game was a buggy mess on console. I wonder if they ever fixed it.

I'm still waiting for a Champions of Norrath/Return to Arms remaster. That was my favorite Diablo clone.
 

Perkel

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Skull fuck? There wasn't anything in that video that would make a PoE player even remotely interested. It seems designed to resonate with reddit circle jerks not actual players.
It will probably sell a lot but it won't affect PoE at all.

Modern POE is just one big zoom fest. I hate zooming. Moreover you don't have choice to not zoom, if you don't zoom you die, if you don't zoom stuff like temples is impossible to do and so on. So for me modern POE is worse than release D3. I started POE back in closed beta i fucking loved it back then and loved it up to 2.0 when they decided to just give up and doubled amount of monsters per map effectively killing any kind of melee that is not shooting some stuff. Since then game was mediacore but alas i invested some time in it and still found it fun. When breach happened it was still pretty slow game but since breach every new expansion ramped up speed and by the time 3.0 hit it was already so fast that i didn't find it mediacore. IT was straight up shite. I still snuffed that copium thinking maybe i am playing wrong so i started to zoom like everyone else and yup shite is shite.

There was nothing good about playing 1 button zoomer collecting currency loot in order to sell them on market because chance of finding any good loot that could help your build was practically 0. So what was the point of playing game anymore ?

I recently played D2 Resurection which is just D2 old gameplay + new graphics and it was sooo much better than POE. You can see things, there is tactical gameplay, nothing dies because you see it, loot actually fucking matters, rares are actually rares and so on.

I also finished D1 a year back and even there with even slower gameplay than D2 you can see how fun it is. Loot is much simpler but much more powerful as stupid blue item can give you shitload of boost.

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The reason why i am/was certain about D4 being good is that lead dev behind it wrote a lot about D4 creation and essential line is:

D1 theme + D2 gameplay + D3 smoothness

And you can see it in every trailer. Theme wise game is much darker than D2 and especially D3, aka D1. Gameplaywise it looks straight up D2 way of doing skills. And all of that combat is smooth as butter like in D3.


Obviously this is Blizzard and there is plenty of ways for them to fuck shit up like with adding shitload of monetization into game so who knows what it will be in the end but so far as i have seen D4 seems to major incline.
 
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abija

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Maybe stop believing PR buzzwords and even worse, projecting the game you hope to play into useless trailer footage.
D3 is zoom mode atm, they have no backbone and folded. Other than smoothness pretty much all you said there is pure fantasy.
 

Perkel

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Necro gear trailer. They are definitely getting it right when it comes to art style.



Maybe stop believing PR buzzwords and even worse, projecting the game you hope to play into useless trailer footage.
D3 is zoom mode atm, they have no backbone and folded. Other than smoothness pretty much all you said there is pure fantasy.

D3 zoom is leagues of slower than POE zoom.
 

Hobo Elf

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I'm amused that even on the Codex there are still people hoping that Diablo 4 will be playable, let alone good. Now I'm not one for wallowing in cynicism, but this is modern Blizzard. There is no hope at all that they'll turn up with anything but a hot pile of garbage designed to fleece their paying customers for even more money. Diablo 4 is going to be designed with the GaaS model in mind and that has never bode well for anyone.
 

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