From Software Elden Ring - From Software's new game with writing by GRRM

[Jinn]

Back in February

This shit is going to be at least 60 hours of content if you explore everything. Mark my words.

 

[cvv]

 

[mediocrepoet]

To be fair, Shadow of the Erdtree won't give you herpes.

 

[cvv]

To be fair, Shadow of the Erdtree won't give you herpes.

And the next morning when you wake up the sight of SotE without make-up will make you excited instead of throw up.

 

[Ezekiel]

Finally finished the last part of Consecrated Snowfield (the invisible assassin-infested town). Miquella's Haligtree is up ahead. Might just finish this playthrough in time for Shadow of the Erdtree. I'm back in it, boys!

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You're cold. Put on some clothes.

 

[Skinwalker]

Glad we're getting a whole DLC focused on the retarded uwu femboy character.

Miquella being a femboy is the only part that's retarded about that character, everything else is quite interesting. Japs just can't help themselves, it seems.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I think it's just a play on the old concept of the divine androgyne. I seriously doubt this has anything to do with current year homo faggotry. I remember this kind of stuff being in animes as far back as the 80s it's very old in Japanese pop culture.

 

[Damned Registrations]

Androgenous men have been seen as appealing in Japanese culture for a long time. It's why it's so common among anime/game villains. Something along the lines of 'Only a chump needs brute force to win, a real badass can win while barely touching you.'

 

[Skinwalker]

I think it's just a play on the old concept of the divine androgyne. I seriously doubt this has anything to do with current year homo faggotry. I remember this kind of stuff being in animes as far back as the 80s it's very old in Japanese pop culture.

I also think it's a holdover from Japan's pagan heritage more so than wokinista moderntardism. I still hate it.

 

[Stoned Ape]

Wow, I was really struggling at named dragon hunting in this game until I started using Rock Sling, now I've killed all of the ones you can meet up to the capital. I also beat down the Omen King with it first try. Most of the higher-level magic that I've been trying out is utterly useless in comparison. I don't even have a magic boosting flask or talisman setup. I imagine if I actually equipped the meteorite staff and tweaked my loadout it would be utterly broken (unless there's a lot of stuff that can actively resist large chinks of physical damage).

 

[9ted6]

I think it's just a play on the old concept of the divine androgyne. I seriously doubt this has anything to do with current year homo faggotry. I remember this kind of stuff being in animes as far back as the 80s it's very old in Japanese pop culture.

It's pretty gay to me regardless and whatever From's intent was I can't not see it as a fetish thing. Japanese folklore has so many masculine figures in it that I don't think having femboy traps goes too far back beyond relatively recent anime. Though like Skinwalker I don't think the intention was wokeness.

Glad we're getting a whole DLC focused on the retarded uwu femboy character.

Miquella being a femboy is the only part that's retarded about that character, everything else is quite interesting. Japs just can't help themselves, it seems.

Gwyndolin too. There's no real reason for the backstory note of him being raised as a daughter. It's never explained and doesn't serve any real purpose to his character or the story and only really makes Gwyn look like a creep.

They did the same thing with Margott or w/e his name is when it was revealed his entire character and motivation all along was wanting buttsex with Miquella, though I don't know if that was something From wanted or GRRM wanted.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

it might come as a shock for some of you, but beauty standards are not the same everywhere in the world
it's specially different in the east
talking about Japan specifically, this fact should be immediately apparent once you learn that the classical metaphor for the masculine warrior ideal is the cherry blossom ffs
a feminine youthful look is their equivalent of Schwarzenegger at his peak for us

if anything, the buff, square-jawed, grizzled man is what they nowadays associate with homosexuality

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

if anything, the buff, square-jawed, grizzled man is what they nowadays associate with homosexuality

yes, the girly looks of the shoujo manga male character types are mostly the product of fiction wrote by women for women. gays prefer more macho types.
ackshually, this also happens in the west if you think about it

 

[Skinwalker]

They did the same thing with Margott or w/e his name is when it was revealed his entire character and motivation all along was wanting buttsex with Miquella, though I don't know if that was something From wanted or GRRM wanted.

Well, at least with Mohg, it is implied he is trying to become the new equivalent of the Elden Lord, and needs Miquella as his divine "consort"... because that's just how things work in this universe.

Gwyndolin is just a femboy for the sake of having a femboy. And then he gets partially consumed by black sludge. Weird.

 

[Silverfish]

Gwyndolin too. There's no real reason for the backstory note of him being raised as a daughter. It's never explained and doesn't serve any real purpose to his character or the story and only really makes Gwyn look like a creep.

Wasn't it something to do with Gwyndolin having an affinity for the moon / night, in contrast to the rest of the family being sun gods? So it was basically Gwyn doing all but outright disowning him?

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Gwyn forced him to go femboy because of the moon thingy iirc

 

[Skinwalker]

Gwyndolin's lower body consists of serpents, I think it's implied that he is the hybrid child of Gwyn and Seethe the Scaleless. Somehow.

 

[Lyric Suite]

They did the same thing with Margott or w/e his name is when it was revealed his entire character and motivation all along was wanting buttsex with Miquella, though I don't know if that was something From wanted or GRRM wanted.

100% that was Martin's idea.

 

[Lyric Suite]

a feminine youthful look is their equivalent of Schwarzenegger at his peak for us

Japanese history disagrees with that, since Japanese males neither looked feminine nor they behaved in a feminine manner. Even the chonmage. People say the origin of this style was purely practical (samurai shaved the top of their heads because it made wearing helmets easier), but i wouldn't be surprised if there wasn't some metaphysical meaning since the "head" is the symbol of masculinity. Same reason why traditionally only male Jews were allowed to wear the Kippah.

Now, what IS true though is that Japanese culture did have something analogous to European romance, where femininity had a crucial role in the path towards spiritual realization taken by warriors (Dante's Divine Comedy is the highest example of this concept, Beatrice literally guiding Dante through the highest levels of spiritual realization in the Paradiso). We see something of that in Sanjuro, where Mifume's character is "tempered" through the intercession of a feminine influence (which is shown to be frivolous but with a wisdom of its own).

I will agree on one thing though. Feminine beauty in men in Japanese anime and media has nothing sexual about it. The first example that came to my mind was from the old Hokuto no Ken anime i used to watch as a kid, specifically the story of Rei and Yuda. From what i remember, Yuda was a narcissist who at one point had his ego completely shattered after becoming raptured by the grace and beauty of Rei's fighting style. Unable to cope with the fact someone's else beauty could "enter his heart" (given that his narcisism made him think nobody was more beautiful than himself), he hatched a plot to destroy Rei, and also tried to elevate his own beauty through crotesque means, by wearing make up and taking up feminine features, or by surrounding himself with beautiful women, out of which he demanded absolute perfection (and if they didn't meet his standards he would just throw them at his men for their amusement).

At no point did sexuality enter into this story. Yuda was not "gay", secretly or otherwise. His confession after Rei defeats him was not a confession of love, but a final admission he knew deep down he couldn't be as beautiful as the latter. His feelings towards Rei had to do with admiration, not sexual attraction. I can only imagine what a modern "localizer" would do with a story like that.

 

[DJOGamer PT]

They did the same thing with Margott or w/e his name is when it was revealed his entire character and motivation all along was wanting buttsex with Miquella, though I don't know if that was something From wanted or GRRM wanted.

100% that was Martin's idea.

doubt it, that's not his style
the fat man did the broad strokes of the lore, the details are entirely From's doing

Japanese history disagrees with that,

right back at you

yes these are men (the ones carrying swords anyway)
this piece is from the Edo period - when they were dumb isolationists, all about muh tradition like fucking boys in ass

how about we go back, to the Kamakura period:

this was the time that saw the emergence of the samurai class
and fittingly the subject of the art is wa
as it can been seen it idealizes martial prowess and physical fitness
but it still can be observed that the "heroes" of this piece have more feminine traits than the villains - their faces are soft as opposed to rough, their hair is uncut and well groomed, they wear "dresses" as opposed to armor revealing their bodies, even their poses are more elegant

but let's go backards again, now to the Heian period - their "cultural peak":

depection of a scene from "The Tale of Genji", the literary masterpiece of the time
Genji being a son of the emperor, described as a genius and a superbly handsome man (so much so he tempted both men and women alike)

since Japanese males neither looked feminine nor they behaved in a feminine manner.

no shit, it's an ideal for a reason - i.e. no one is ever going to attain it
try not to be so literalist
"femine" as in - soft, graceful, even androgynous features
not that they acted like women

you later mention mifune, but mifune to them is like (ironically) charles bronson to us
he's not what they consider handsome, let alone a beautiful man

agree with the rest of your post though

 

[Stoned Ape]

Another couple of minor contemporary points, facial hair is considered extremely unattractive by the majority of Japanese women. There are obviously exceptions to this but it holds true in the majority of cases.

There is a general romanticisation of youth in their media (in the way that youth symbolises potential and your teenage the best time of life). Men are generally considered 'uncle' types by their late 20's/early 30's.

The most successful male gigolo in Japan is this guy:

 

[Skinwalker]

East azns are very low-T genetically, and they eat tons of soy on top of that.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Cherry picking images from past eras without pointing out the meaning or origin is not a good argument.

For instance, the first image you posted is a 17th century Ukiyo-e print, from the same guy who painted this kind of shit:

And all the other funny porno images you may have seen on the internet form time to time. The painting you posted is supposed to depict an hunting party, i'm assuming of what are meant to be young men or men of a different social status. It's your "mind" to think the rapresentation is supposed to be feminine, since those are just Japanese men without chonmage, but there is no proof that was the intended aim of those rapresentations. In another painting rapresenting hunters, we do see a man with chonmage:

I'm going out of a limb and assume the hunters are of a lower social status, hence the different hairstyle, and they aren't intended to be seen as feminine at all. The one steering the boat, whom i assume is of even lower status than the hunters, also has that same hairstyle.

As for the The Tale of Genj (written by a wombyn btw, so no wonder the protagonist is a faggot lmao. I kid, i kid), the main character of that story is supposed to rapresent the ephemeral nature of human existence (given the Buddhist message of the work). Genj is intentionally portrayed as being an effete because the point is to show the pointlessness of chasing after human pleasures. Now, the picture you posted is also from the 17th century, but the original text actually came with it's own artwork, which shows how men and women were seen in the 12th century:

And this is from a 17h century series of prints intended to also accompany this text who were specifically made to respect the "older" style:

As you can see, there's no mistaking who the men are.

 

[Skinwalker]

As you can see, there's no mistaking who the men are.

I had to literally stare at the first pic for several minutes to figure out what is happening and who is getting fucked by whom.

 

[Lyric Suite]

As you can see, there's no mistaking who the men are.

I had to literally stare at the first pic for several minutes to figure out what is happening and who is getting fucked by who.

Don't be a retard. The style is abstract but the subjects are clear.

Here's a 12th century portrait of the first Shogun of Japan:

And this is a painting of a Samurai who led an embassy to Rome to have an audience with the Pope, made in 1615 by an Italian artist: