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[Lyric Suite]

Sorry Lyric, SL1 runs were happening

That wasn't my argument though. I was responding to someone else who suggested SL1 weren't a thing.

My own belief is that they created the pyro BECAUSE they were a thing in Demon Soul. They saw it happen, and respond to it by allowing for that possibility with mechanics and lore to support it. If they later changed their minds it could be because they saw people did want the challenge, and didn't want it to be "viable" (I.E., relatively close to normal play) like the pyro was, which is a shame for me because like is said i really liked the idea conceptually (and it should be obvious by now that i'm big on LARPing).

SL1 runs are a particular form of challenge that suggests itself naturally. Even when i was new to Souls and still sucked i was already considering the possibility of "capping" my level at some point (nothing worse in an RPG when you overlevel the content, which makes the game boring). I found a convenient excuse when i learned there was such a thing as PvP "meta" levels, which i used as a target even though i did no PvP.

SL1 runs suggest themselves logically since leveling or not leveling is a way to control the difficulty of the game for most people. That's why i don't think they belong in the same category as no rolling runs, no bonfire runs etc. MAYBE no death runs are equally as logical or natural, which is why in DS2 they put an achievement for it, but that's too much of a tall order to be really considered "possible" for a normal player even with all the concessions in the world.

 

[Silverfish]

Dark souls got a massive rebalancing when the DLC came out. They almost tripled the amount of souls dropping and made it much easier to get hold of upgrade materials. Pyro was not intended to suck up all your souls because originally you had to really pick how to spend them. They didn't give you excess souls to dump into equipment until the DLC dropped and they dumbed the game down for faggots like you.

For the longest time, I had only ever played Dark Souls on an offline PS3, so I was unaware of just how drastic the changes were until Remastered came out. 'Dumbed down' is underselling it. When bosses go from dropping 1500 to 10,000 souls, even Todd Howard thinks that shit is too casual.

For me it is obvious that they anticipated or "allowed" for the possibility of a SL1 run. I don't know how Demon Souls worked but i wouldn't be surprised if they saw people were doing SL1 runs and said to themselves "wouldn't it be cool if we actually designed the game to allow for that possibility?".

Not only was SL1 fully intended as a way of playing Demon's Souls, it's even baked into the story. The final boss went overkill empowering himself with souls and ended up as a harmless blob. For a normal playthrough it's meant to be a "there, but for the grace of God, go I" scenario.

After all, they seem to regret the choice of making the flame scale only with its level so they changed it in DS 2 and 3, now necessitating INT and/or Faith

Sort of. In DS2, pyromancy has scaling with intelligence and faith, but the gains from stat scaling are far less impressive than what you see from upgrading the pyro flame directly, meaning attunement is really all you need, especially since pyro spells don't have stat requirements, just as in the previous game. DS3 did overhaul pyromancy, giving spells requirements and having them dish out a lot less damage without scaling, but I'd argue that was more about that game's general disdain for magic users than balancing pyro specifically.

From never planned for players to stay low SL with upgraded equipment, because if they had, they would had taken measures to avoid the issue in PVP, which they started doing next games

Souls pvp was envisioned as something very different than what it's ultimately become. Trolling and griefing were absolutely the original intent and it took years of community whining to get From to change course.

The usual challenge run was +7 difficulty rather than SL1 though.

Or both.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Having a Twitch channel is a better hobby than being a cryhard on the Codex by the way. I really enjoy what I do and like the people I have met doing it. Its not something you could possibly shame me for.

Okay groomer. I'm sure your twitch 'friends' are really swell people.

Edit: Yeah I just rewatched the fight. At no point do I do anything that could remotely be considered glitching. You're full of shit and coping because you are bad.

You clearly did. There's intentional movement causing attacks to fail. And it's really obvious once you spot it. But sure thing buddy.

For the longest time, I had only ever played Dark Souls on an offline PS3, so I was unaware of just how drastic the changes were until Remastered came out. 'Dumbed down' is underselling it. When bosses go from dropping 1500 to 10,000 souls, even Todd Howard thinks that shit is too casual.

I think it's the gargoyles go from 1200 souls to 10,000 isn't it? They made mid tier upgrades buyable when they weren't before. Enemy locations change, aggro ranges are hugely reduced. There's some utterly broken things you can do in the base game to trivialize it still (as you can with all games) but a normal play through (fuck off Lyric) it's significantly harder.

 

[Strange Fellow]

why are you so angry all the time, is only game

 

[cvv]

why are you so angry all the time

Everywhere else being angry is banned by now.

 

[Strange Fellow]

that makes me angry!

 

[Hell Swarm]

why are you so angry all the time, is only game

I'm not angry. I think it's funny Twitch groomer has golden vow on his bar and says he isn't using buffs lol.

 

[Bloodeyes]

intentional movement causing attacks to fail.

Those of us in the business call that dodging and spacing. Point to a timestamp so I know what you're on about. You're coping so hard you're actually delusional.

 

[Odoryuk]

If Pyromancer class was supposed to be SL1 only, they'd disable levelling for this class.
If low level playthroughs were never thought about by the devs, they'd just add auto levelling like in other games.

 

[Bloodeyes]

why are you so angry all the time, is only game

I'm not angry. I think it's funny Twitch groomer has golden vow on his bar and says he isn't using buffs lol.

What do you have against golden vow? If I had used it in the fight would it be a problem? I use golden vow in my invasions to buff PvE. I also buff myself with it in the process. Sometimes I use it in boss fights too. Guess what? Sometimes when I'm feeling really frisky I stack it with the ash of war on my offhand sword of light for a minute long 20% boost to my holy damage. I'm a fucking paladin of course I buff. When you said I was buff stacking I assumed you meant in the fight. You know, because that's what we were fucking talking about?

You can see in the vid I use crab and my physick (opaline hardtear and crimson bubbletear, generic PvP physick for meta level and above). Would it be a problem for you if I had used vow as well? I just couldn't be bothered because I thought I would have to do the fight a lot of times, so I didn't put on many buffs.

 

[Bloodeyes]

I would be proud of this win but the fact I buffed beforehand invalidates it. It seems unfair but I don't make the rules:



I also moved intentionally to defeat their attacks. Clearly I practiced this fight beforehand many times.

 

[Hell Swarm]

I would be proud of this win but the fact I buffed beforehand invalidates it. It seems unfair but I don't make the rules:



I also moved intentionally to defeat their attacks. Clearly I practiced this fight beforehand many times.

No leveling, no upgrading, bare fist only, no buffs or you didn't beat the game Twitch boy!

 

[Lyric Suite]

That's retarded and pointless. I remember catching a stream of a guy doing a no-hit with fists only on Malenia. Took him about three hours. I skipped to the end and when he pulled it off he didn't even move. Probably spend a million hours trying it so by the time he did it he was completely jaded and bored by the game.

I much prefer someone like Ongbal who makes the fights look entertaining, has spectacle and finds clever ways to use unusual skills or spells etc. A lot of it is just flash for the sake of flash but at least there's an art to it and looks fun to do.

 

[Hell Swarm]

That's retarded and pointless. I remember catching a stream of a guy doing a no-hit with fists only on Malenia. Took him about three hours. I skipped to the end and when he pulled it off he didn't even move. Probably spend a million hours trying it so by the time he did it he was completely jaded and bored by the game.

I much prefer someone like Ongbal who makes the fights look entertaining, has spectacle and finds clever ways to use unusual skills or spells etc. A lot of it is just flash for the sake of flash but at least there's an art to it and looks fun to do.

You just aren't good enough. If you can't 3 hit kill a boss with your buff stack your ADHD kicks in and you find a way to cheese it.

 

[Anonona]

Probably spend a million hours trying it so by the time he did it he was completely jaded and bored by the game.

You don't get it man, he just reached Souls' nirvana, he finally 'got gut'. He is beyond regular emotions, his minds just dodge roll out of their way.

 

[Bloodeyes]

That's retarded and pointless. I remember catching a stream of a guy doing a no-hit with fists only on Malenia. Took him about three hours. I skipped to the end and when he pulled it off he didn't even move. Probably spend a million hours trying it so by the time he did it he was completely jaded and bored by the game.

I much prefer someone like Ongbal who makes the fights look entertaining, has spectacle and finds clever ways to use unusual skills or spells etc. A lot of it is just flash for the sake of flash but at least there's an art to it and looks fun to do.

I've got respect for someone with the patience to do something like that. Its not fun to watch them suffering though. I know a guy who did no scadutree fragments on his first run. He was not fun to be around when doing it. Same guy did RL1 no upgrades in the base game. His streams were just hours and hours of suffering and swearing. Amazing player but I think he's an actual masochist.

 

[abija]

He's just defending his bitch initial takes of DLC being too hard.

 

[Hell Swarm]

He's just defending his bitch initial takes of DLC being too hard.

Wasn't I like the 3rd person in the thread to beat the DLC? and the day after it got patched to be easier.

All playing on easy mode.

Rather than being tiny little piss babies angry you get laughed at for using golden vow in every build how about we do a group challenge run? We'll pick the equipment, magic, spirit ashes and armour you're allowed to wear and we all do the run with the exact same load out. No bullshit, no gimmicks. We're all on an even playing field and we'll see how well the game goes. Doesn't have to be Elden Ring, can be DS2, DS3 or Elden Ring so there's some build flexibility. Who's interested?

https://eldenforge.vercel.app/ai This gives us a completely random build. Someone can either do it on stream to prove it's legit or I can do it and post the results.

 

[Ramnozack]

With all I'd heard about the final boss I thought I'd need a few days of hard practice to beat him. I didn't have the energy for that so I'd been putting it off. Today I sat down to do it. This way my third attempt:



The lion at the start too me more tries.

Fight isn't hard if you dont have to learn how to dodge his attacks. Its why greatshield builds have a easy time with it as well, dont have to dodge anything just block all of his bullshit and counter attack, or in your case just poise through it with prayerful strike

 

[Bulo]

Play Sekiro

 

[Bloodeyes]

With all I'd heard about the final boss I thought I'd need a few days of hard practice to beat him. I didn't have the energy for that so I'd been putting it off. Today I sat down to do it. This way my third attempt:



The lion at the start too me more tries.

Fight isn't hard if you dont have to learn how to dodge his attacks. Its why greatshield builds have a easy time with it as well, dont have to dodge anything just block all of his bullshit and counter attack, or in your case just poise through it with prayerful strike

I mean yeah that's why I chose to use it. I'd use a hyper armour ash on this fight every time. Its pretty optimal IMO.

 

[Silverfish]

I think it's the gargoyles go from 1200 souls to 10,000 isn't it?

No, it's 15. I've done that fight way too many times.

but a normal play through (fuck off Lyric) it's significantly harder.

Which is apparently still an issue. I was watching a video a while back about how drastically Elden Ring has changed compared to the launch version. Seeing the dlc eat a nerf after a few days was even funnier.

I would be proud of this win but the fact I buffed beforehand invalidates it. It seems unfair but I don't make the rules:



I also moved intentionally to defeat their attacks. Clearly I practiced this fight beforehand many times.

Genuinely impressed with the amount of shit you had to dodge. Makes the DS3 players complaining about hosts and phantoms wrecking them with estocs seem quaint.

 

[abija]

Wasn't I like the 3rd person in the thread to beat the DLC? and the day after it got patched to be easier.

Yes, you rushed the game and complained From is terrible and some bosses are too hard while most people were doubting your takes. Unsurprisingly, "I'm a 1% player and had to spend 1h on a boss hence game is too hard" turned out to be as shitty as it seemed.

 

[Hell Swarm]

Wasn't I like the 3rd person in the thread to beat the DLC? and the day after it got patched to be easier.

Yes, you rushed the game and complained From is terrible and some bosses are too hard while most people were doubting your takes. Unsurprisingly, "I'm a 1% player and had to spend 1h on a boss hence game is too hard" turned out to be as shitty as it seemed.

"You rushed the game" as I played it at a rather leisurely pace lol.

Did I ever say spending 1 hour on a boss is too hard? I said the DLC spams particle effects and has unavoidable damage. Which has proven to be true. I don't think your opinion is very valid when you're bursting bosses down and missing entire phases where these problems happen. I can beat the game your way, it's so easy even a child can do it. You dodge 2 attacks and other wise ignore the boss entirely. From know you can do it and leave it in so people who can't play the game have an option to advance. They expect you not to ruin the game for yourself, but I supposed autists won't understand that and think they're hot shit for doing so instead.

 

[Ravielsk]

I have never understood this mind set of "I can cheese it therefore its fine". I swear to god at this point From could put out a boss that literary turns off your machine but some chuckle fucks would argue its not an issues because you can snipe him through a wall before the shutdown script can initiate.