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Fallout Is Fallout: New Vegas a worthy Fallout game?
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Black Angel
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One thing that I found weird, however, is the amount of talking heads to be found in F2 was significantly less than that of F1's.
pippin
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The people at Goodsprings even have a New Vegas tour now.
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Generally I don't disagree with you about the motivations of each character..But the fact alone that we can so easily talk about them and their motivations proves how memorable and unique they were imo.
Probably again that has to do with the more "comic book" approach of F2 but still.. You'll remember Vic for the old fart he was or Myron for being a weakling etc
That's why personally I consider them the best companion roster ever.
i don't have the energy to get into the why or to defend my opinion but i think it's pretty obvious to anyone who is the least bit discerning and objective about it that NV features the most fleshed-out and best written companions out of all the FO games.
seriously, there is literally no copmetition if we're talking about game world building or characterization. FNV was a real Master Work in the classical sense; i.e. a work exuding the best qualities a of an Art Studio painted/done by a member of the Studio deserving of the title of Master.
note that a master work and a master piece are different things.
other people can explain why the NV characterization (and other such relevant things) are one of the main arteries that pump blood into the beating heart of the game much better than i can, although i'm sure i'll get like 20x "prosper" or "dumb" ratings.
seriously, there is literally no copmetition if we're talking about game world building or characterization. FNV was a real Master Work in the classical sense; i.e. a work exuding the best qualities a of an Art Studio painted/done by a member of the Studio deserving of the title of Master.
note that a master work and a master piece are different things.
other people can explain why the NV characterization (and other such relevant things) are one of the main arteries that pump blood into the beating heart of the game much better than i can, although i'm sure i'll get like 20x "prosper" or "dumb" ratings.
Lemming42
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Yeah, the NV companion lineup kicks the shit out of 1 and 2. With the exception of Marcus and also Myron, who is the greatest character in the franchise.
Orobis
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Always thought Sulik to be the best/most memorable character in the franchise, though i do like Myron and especially Marcus, being a TNG fan and all.
i would love to go on a real world fallout: new vegas location tour and visit every single one of the locations that were used for the game. NV was the game that reminded me how much a story and narrative and characterization mattered in an RPG after years of only playing combatfag games.
it was also the game that ended up being my ex-gf's gateway into RPGs in general and we played through it together and all of the DLCs and together we both probably clocked 1000 hours of play time on it and since it was her first ever RPG she became very invested in the F: NV world and characters and we would do "research" on the game and contribute to the wikia and read Sawyer's formspring together and it was a great experience. if the game had been of lesser quality none of that would have happened. she ended up playing through FO1 on my insistence afterwards but it didn't hook her like NV did and she said, flat out, that its characters and conflicts and motivations and such... were simply not as complex or as interesting as the dynamics in NV. i agree with her.
of course later she broke up w/ me and to this day i can never replay any fallout game ever again as it is too painful and it reminds me too much of those experiences. i don't think such strong emotional attachments would've been possible if the game were shit.
it was also the game that ended up being my ex-gf's gateway into RPGs in general and we played through it together and all of the DLCs and together we both probably clocked 1000 hours of play time on it and since it was her first ever RPG she became very invested in the F: NV world and characters and we would do "research" on the game and contribute to the wikia and read Sawyer's formspring together and it was a great experience. if the game had been of lesser quality none of that would have happened. she ended up playing through FO1 on my insistence afterwards but it didn't hook her like NV did and she said, flat out, that its characters and conflicts and motivations and such... were simply not as complex or as interesting as the dynamics in NV. i agree with her.
of course later she broke up w/ me and to this day i can never replay any fallout game ever again as it is too painful and it reminds me too much of those experiences. i don't think such strong emotional attachments would've been possible if the game were shit.
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Arcade Gannon alone simply beats all companions in old Fallouts. (And he doesn't occasionally shoots you in combat)
Somberlain
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New Vegas is incredibly good for what it is.
I mean, it's a Gaybryo game with Josh Sawyer as the lead designer. It's like if a baby was born to alcoholic parents from Chernobyl with Huntington's disease and Down syndrome.
I mean, it's a Gaybryo game with Josh Sawyer as the lead designer. It's like if a baby was born to alcoholic parents from Chernobyl with Huntington's disease and Down syndrome.
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Without Sawyer, it wasn't probably even possible to release the game on time.
The Alcoholic parents were abandoned booze for a quite while
Excidium II
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It's good for what it is.
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NV companion NPCs are great but they are fucked up from the Bethesda engine of doom.
One companion limit and all the weird bullcrap make them feel awkward.
Also as a more specific taste, I'd love it if they said some comments along the way according to location. I haven't noticed that at least if it happens
One companion limit and all the weird bullcrap make them feel awkward.
Also as a more specific taste, I'd love it if they said some comments along the way according to location. I haven't noticed that at least if it happens
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They do. Veronica and Arcade in particular. Also it's 1 human + 1 non-human (the dog or robot).
pippin
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Also Raul and Cass.
the only companion where they dropped the ball was with the female nightkin and even she has an interesting backstory. i could honestly not decide between NV's companions as to which are the best as they all shine in something. EASILY obsidian's best companions in any of their games. E-A-S-Y.
however to make things simpler one can reduce the criteria for which companions would allow the most plot-related interaction/content and then the choice becomes much easier, it owuld be between:
- veronica (without her it's not even worth doing anything BoS related and her interactions w/ them add a lot to the overall experience of the game; plus later on her interactions with the Followers also literally makes that faction)
- boone (his boo-hoo backstory is nicely paced and his hatred of the Legion makes choosing him as your traveling buddy a much different experience throughout the campaign)
- ED-E (c'mon... what is there to say? it's fucking ED-E baby)
- Cass (she isn't as strongly tied to a faction as either Veronica or Boone so a playthrough with her won't be "shaped" by her to that extent as with those two but she offers continous interaction, albeit lightly, with almost all of the major factions in the campaign and she always has at least one or two things to comment about whatever is happening. Her backstory/development is also nicely paced, although not as well paced as Boone's, so having her along will be rewarding from beginning to end... just in more subtle ways than with Ver or Boonie)
however to make things simpler one can reduce the criteria for which companions would allow the most plot-related interaction/content and then the choice becomes much easier, it owuld be between:
- veronica (without her it's not even worth doing anything BoS related and her interactions w/ them add a lot to the overall experience of the game; plus later on her interactions with the Followers also literally makes that faction)
- boone (his boo-hoo backstory is nicely paced and his hatred of the Legion makes choosing him as your traveling buddy a much different experience throughout the campaign)
- ED-E (c'mon... what is there to say? it's fucking ED-E baby)
- Cass (she isn't as strongly tied to a faction as either Veronica or Boone so a playthrough with her won't be "shaped" by her to that extent as with those two but she offers continous interaction, albeit lightly, with almost all of the major factions in the campaign and she always has at least one or two things to comment about whatever is happening. Her backstory/development is also nicely paced, although not as well paced as Boone's, so having her along will be rewarding from beginning to end... just in more subtle ways than with Ver or Boonie)
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If i recall correctly most companions occasionally comment on some certain locations or some other NPCs. Cass was saying something about the place every time you visit a major location.
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Tbh I'm like only in the middle of the game and had only Boone so far, with a bit of Cass currently. The thing is also that you get so easily strong that I don't feel I actually need somebody with me, I just get them along for the fun of it
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Drax
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Also, Cass' perk was awesome.
pippin
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He also has special triggers. I think most of them are related to NCR quests though. He will react positively if you rescue the crucified troopers at Nelson, for instance.
Most if not all human companions in New Vegas have a personal "score" which will trigger steps in their personal quests. You can do most of them at your own pace, though. In the case of Raul you will have to do certain steps in order, but that's nothing a few console commands can fix if you don't mind cheating. Same with Veronica. If you delete the data from the vault with the plants before you meet her, you will lose one of her quest paths. Same with the HELIOS station, you must fix it to be a weapon again (the one you take from the kid in Freeside), if you don't, you're fucked (iirc she must also be present when you do that).
If you carefully plan everything, you might be able to do every companion's side quest without too many problems. Other than those examples and a few more, they don't really cancel each other.
The only negative aspect that I can think of is that most human companions side with the NCR. But that's nothing, imo.
Jimmious
having evne just 1 single companion completely breaks the game's difficulty. For once, this is not Obsi's fault and it has everything to do with having had to work off FO3 mechanics (enemies will always target your companion first therefore you are practically invincible because you eliminate them in VATS while they go for your OP companion).
i recommend downloading mods that increase the difficulty of the combat such things as:
- a mod that reduces backwards walking speed (backpedaling) by 50% or more so that the player cannot simply run backwards and shoot the enemy (there are many mods that do this).
- a mod that increases damage multipliers for body parts, and obviously including increased dmg for headshots. a nice 2x multipler for all damage, based off Very Hardcore obviously, makes for a nice Beginner's Difficulty imo.
- mods that depower companions' stats.
having evne just 1 single companion completely breaks the game's difficulty. For once, this is not Obsi's fault and it has everything to do with having had to work off FO3 mechanics (enemies will always target your companion first therefore you are practically invincible because you eliminate them in VATS while they go for your OP companion).
i recommend downloading mods that increase the difficulty of the combat such things as:
- a mod that reduces backwards walking speed (backpedaling) by 50% or more so that the player cannot simply run backwards and shoot the enemy (there are many mods that do this).
- a mod that increases damage multipliers for body parts, and obviously including increased dmg for headshots. a nice 2x multipler for all damage, based off Very Hardcore obviously, makes for a nice Beginner's Difficulty imo.
- mods that depower companions' stats.
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