Jagged Alliance 3 from Haemimont Games

[Togukawa]

Those sniper shots at 1:56... What ridiculously short ranges.

 

[ArchAngel]

Those sniper shots at 1:56... What ridiculously short ranges.

What do you expect from NuXcom version of JA

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Those sniper shots at 1:56... What ridiculously short ranges.

What do you expect from NuXcom version of JA

Best case scenario: marketing insisted on close range shots because viewers of trailer on mobile.

 

[Abu Antar]

So is this game going to be good or not?

Probably gonna be siht. Pre-ordered anyway, to see for myself.

 

[thesheeep]

Bless your hopeful souls for submitting yourselves to uncertainty so that others don't have to

 

[raeven]

Voice actor/direction for Gus missed the point. Disgusting

Refunded preorder.

What point was missed, exactly?

 

[Zombra]

Voice actor/direction for Gus missed the point. Disgusting

Refunded preorder.

What point was missed, exactly?

Gus is an insightful, subtle, cool-headed veteran with understated charm, not a yelling meathead. It sounds like they went "Gravelly voice? check" and called it good.

 

[Sacibengala]

Voice actor/direction for Gus missed the point. Disgusting

Refunded preorder.

What point was missed, exactly?

Gus is an insightful, subtle, cool-headed professional with understated charm, not a shouting meathead. It sounds like they went "Gravelly voice? check" and called it good.

He got molested between games. His rage is to cope with that.

 

[lycanwarrior]

 

[POOPERSCOOPER]

I’m pretty sure if the JA3 team had listened to the Codex for game development advise they would come up with the perfect simulation of a giant machine with a big black dildo attached to it where you strap yourself to it and turn it on for a year non stop.

 

[mondblut]

I’m pretty sure if the JA3 team had listened to the Codex for game development advise they would come up with the perfect simulation of a giant machine with a big black dildo attached to it where you strap yourself to it and turn it on for a year non stop.

That's input controls, and I'm surprised it's not yet a golden industry standart alongside mouse and keyboard.

 

[raeven]

I’m pretty sure if the JA3 team had listened to the Codex for game development advise they would come up with the perfect simulation of a giant machine with a big black dildo attached to it where you strap yourself to it and turn it on for a year non stop.

holy shit that sounds awesome

 

[Aemar]

Bless your hopeful souls for submitting yourselves to uncertainty so that others don't have to

Uncertainty? There's been enough info in this thread already to classify this game as certified trash. Not exactly the Jagged Alliance most people have been waiting for for ages.

 

[ArchAngel]

Bless your hopeful souls for submitting yourselves to uncertainty so that others don't have to

Uncertainty? There's been enough info in this thread already to classify this game as certified trash. Not exactly the Jagged Alliance most people have been waiting for for ages.

If they really limited weapons to these short ranges than it is 100% certified trash. I might suffer some of the other shit design decisions but I will not suffer this shit.

 

[Shaki]

Ok, so comparing the weapon stats with JA2 it looks like the ranges were limited afterall, e.g.
PSG1 - 36 (JA3) vs 80 (JA2)
M82 - 40 vs 150
Minimi - 30 vs 50
M14 - 24 vs 33

For other guns their range stats looks similar, I have the feeling that they wanted to put standard long barrel weapons ranges to reach 30+ without attachments, and sniper rifles to be able to barely reach further, but not by much.

I just don't understand the logic. After multiple sequels failed because their devs had dogshit original ideas instead of following the spirit of the original, they try to make another one, swearing this time it's a real successor to JA2... Then they fucking change everything good to their shit original ideas anyway. Do all these idiots just like losing money? They had literally one fucking job, make JA2 with better graphics and new map. That's it. Amazing game, free $$$. But nah, instead they decide to just FUCK IT UP like all the other failed sequels. Why? How are these morons able to even brush their teeth without choking to death, being this mentally deficient?

 

[Aemar]

Bless your hopeful souls for submitting yourselves to uncertainty so that others don't have to

Uncertainty? There's been enough info in this thread already to classify this game as certified trash. Not exactly the Jagged Alliance most people have been waiting for for ages.

If they really limited weapons to these short ranges than it is 100% certified trash. I might suffer some of the other shit design decisions but I will not suffer this shit.

Well, you already know the answer then.

 

[ArchAngel]

Bless your hopeful souls for submitting yourselves to uncertainty so that others don't have to

Uncertainty? There's been enough info in this thread already to classify this game as certified trash. Not exactly the Jagged Alliance most people have been waiting for for ages.

If they really limited weapons to these short ranges than it is 100% certified trash. I might suffer some of the other shit design decisions but I will not suffer this shit.

Well, you already know the answer then.

Well I am still hoping it is just to make trailers more interesting with no need to scroll the camera.

 

[agris]

Ok, so comparing the weapon stats with JA2 it looks like the ranges were limited afterall, e.g.
PSG1 - 36 (JA3) vs 80 (JA2)
M82 - 40 vs 150
Minimi - 30 vs 50
M14 - 24 vs 33

For other guns their range stats looks similar, I have the feeling that they wanted to put standard long barrel weapons ranges to reach 30+ without attachments, and sniper rifles to be able to barely reach further, but not by much.

I just don't understand the logic. After multiple sequels failed because their devs had dogshit original ideas instead of following the spirit of the original, they try to make another one, swearing this time it's a real successor to JA2... Then they fucking change everything good to their shit original ideas anyway. Do all these idiots just like losing money? They had literally one fucking job, make JA2 with better graphics and new map. That's it. Amazing game, free $$$. But nah, instead they decide to just FUCK IT UP like all the other failed sequels. Why? How are these morons able to even brush their teeth without choking to death, being this mentally deficient?

The maps are small and compressed, compared to JA2. I think this is one of the root causes of the auto fire -50% dmg decision, as well.

 

[Lord of Riva]

Ok, so comparing the weapon stats with JA2 it looks like the ranges were limited afterall, e.g.
PSG1 - 36 (JA3) vs 80 (JA2)
M82 - 40 vs 150
Minimi - 30 vs 50
M14 - 24 vs 33

For other guns their range stats looks similar, I have the feeling that they wanted to put standard long barrel weapons ranges to reach 30+ without attachments, and sniper rifles to be able to barely reach further, but not by much.

I just don't understand the logic. After multiple sequels failed because their devs had dogshit original ideas instead of following the spirit of the original, they try to make another one, swearing this time it's a real successor to JA2... Then they fucking change everything good to their shit original ideas anyway. Do all these idiots just like losing money? They had literally one fucking job, make JA2 with better graphics and new map. That's it. Amazing game, free $$$. But nah, instead they decide to just FUCK IT UP like all the other failed sequels. Why? How are these morons able to even brush their teeth without choking to death, being this mentally deficient?

So what am I missing here, are people claiming that the values have to be identical?
Why?

You can't just look at some values in a 24 year old game, compare them to a new one and pretend they mean the same...?
I have not watched any of these trailers or gameplay stuff, so I have no clue about actual ranges but you guys simply do not know the metric they use in these games and comparing two completely unrelated variables does not serve a purpose.

Again, I have no opinion on the matter at this point in time, but that does not sound logical in the least,

 

[Beowulf]

So what am I missing here, are people claiming that the values have to be identical?
Why?

You can't just look at some values in a 24 year old game, compare them to a new one and pretend they mean the same...?
I have not watched any of these trailers or gameplay stuff, so I have no clue about actual ranges but you guys simply do not know the metric they use in these games and comparing two completely unrelated variables does not serve a purpose.

Again, I have no opinion on the matter at this point in time, but that does not sound logical in the least,

Well, we don't know what distance is 1 "square" in JA3 and does 24 range translate to 24 "squares", but it is reasonable assumption that it does (we didn't know that for JA2 either, but you can infer it by comparing real life effective weapon range to the range stat in the game).
And the point to be made by this comparison is not about how the values compare directly to the same weapon in the previous installment, but to show that everything has been compressed. The difference in range between shotguns and AR's is smaller, the upper range for AR's is smaller and the range for sniper rifles just reaches the AR's range from JA2. The ranges for shotguns and SMG's shown in the trailer are roughly the same as in JA2.
From that we can infer, that the engagements will happen on smaller ranges in general. Does that sound logical for you?

Of course, the devs can still surprise us with how the game handles all this, and that's kinda what majority of us hopes for.

 

[Lord of Riva]

Of course, the devs can still surprise us with how the game handles all this, and that's kinda what majority of us hopes for.

I am not optimistic, "streamlining" is something very modern. I get the issue you describe and just wanted to point out that the wierd comparison was pointless.

I meam I read that the ranges seems pretty short from people seeing it in the trailer, but that is easily perceivable just visually. In the end my whole post was just me being a bit autistic, I guess, please continue.

 

[Zombra]

the original

Oh, you mean Jagged Alliance 1?

 

[Ghulgothas]

Well, you already know the answer then.

I wonder why they chose such a small environment to show off their shotguns of all things.

 

[raeven]

The PSG1 and M82 aren't even in JA2, only in the 1.13 mod...

 

[spectre]

The PSG1 and M82 aren't even in JA2, only in the 1.13 mod...

Actually, both were in Unfinished Business.