Jagged Alliance 3 from Haemimont Games

[Gumsmith]

Worst part of the game is that the AI is retarded, braindead even. It will constantly forget about which side the cover is meant to be on and at one point I stormed the prison building and the two guys in the bunkroom did literally nothing until they were killed. Running around the sector clicking on shit after the battle is over is getting pretty old too.

Still fun, though.

I suspect the scripting in that location is effed.

Probably under the hood this is less an emergent AI system and more a bunch of scripts and triggers that have to be tweaked by devs.

Definitely seems like it, particularly with the clearly defined enemy types. Feels like it only has a few switches defining what it'll do.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

What I see:

What I got:

 

[raeven]

- other enemies come investigate if they are in hearing range
- sometimes enemies are alone
- sometimes they are together but then separate
- even if they don't hear you, enemies will stumble across you or the dead bodies you leave behind

This issue is that gunfire should be audible across the entire zone, and even if it isn't, enemies should be communicating about contact. Even JA2 had enemies using walkie talkies.

Fair enough. Easy to mod in. Modding out a pod system from XCOM? Forget it.

 

[Strange Fellow]

what are you, some kind of pleb who doesn't have a silencer on every single weapon

 

[ropetight]

Is using irritating mercs as bait or cannon fodder still viable tactics?

 

[Paul_cz]

r u playing with a controller????

lmao yes

from couch on TV

I did play for couple hours on monitor and mouse, but comfort won out, even if controller isn't as flexible (I still have no idea how to select two mercs at the same time, for example, so I either control the whole group, or single mercs, it's hilarious)

 

[Fargus]

I'm getting infinite loading. Had it twice in two hours. Not sure whats the deal, could be something with the savegame, i hope not.

Overall the game can be fun, but i still dont see much improvement. I'm half way through taking a second town, money is extremely low and i have a hard time to finance a squad of six mercs of which 4 are lowest tier and one is veteran. I can't afford training militia because of upkeep cost and super low income. Loyalty goes up very slowly too and not many quests to increase it. But i think i'll manage.

Also cleaned a full sector in stealth, its not as annoying as i thought... but still annoying. Good luck to ironman tryhards i guess.

And another thing, as if shitty voice acting and accents weren't enough the game writting is getting more and more cringy. We're hitting Fallout 3 tier. There is a quest about uniting a famous SUPER BADASS STRONG AND INDEPENDENT all female gang, who nowadays are hardass grannies. The dialogue with one of them:






In-squad banter is much better. Wolf and Fox flirting is pretty fun. The mercs are definitely acting more alive than in JA2.

 

[Cyberarmy]

One stealthy sniper can bring down the entire African army. Very based.

I think that's why they implemented that "pod" system(which is not really a Pod system since you can still stealth kill without being detected/triggering enemy repositioning depending on the circunstances).

That's assuming you manage to hit them with knife from behind, which even with attributes and skill is far from guaranteed.

I still don't know exactly how it works but I've killed quite a few enemies with stealth sniper shots without alarming the whole camp.

You first need to select target with left mouse for backstab. Then go for the neck and slowly get behind the enemy manually. It is funny you can still miss after all those preperations.

 

[Paul_cz]

Yeah in the prison, I killed all the guards outside the building with Fox sneaking behind them and cutting their throats with a knife. Not bad for a medic/exmodel.

Clearing the building itself was a pain in the ass though, I literally used up all my grenades just on Jackhammer because that fucker was determined to stay in his office.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

determined to stay in his office.

I went through the whole underground and came out behind his office, tossed a grenade through his door, and lured him into a hail of overwatch fire. If the game were really pimp it would have made surface and underground layers part of the same map, though that would get hard to parse.

Joke was on me though, he surrendered in the square blocking his door, I couldn't talk to him with the enemies active nor could I escape the room, so I had to flee the map and come back to revert to non-combat mode.

 

[POOPERSCOOPER]

I only had time to play a bit last night and it seems alright so far. People kept saying Nu-xcom and it was shit in this thread so I was skeptical but it feels different. Combat already feels better than Nu-Xcom and this game kind of feels like Silent Storm (someone already said that here) but that is kind of a pleasant surprise. I haven't played JA2 in like 20 years but considering how games are now this is kind of good?

 

[Grampy_Bone]

If it was like Silent Storm you could have one spotter and 5 snipers hanging in the corner clear the whole map by shooting through the walls.


Also, Blobert?

Edit: Ahahaha holy shit

Spoiler

Letting them duke it out causes both sides to team up on you

 

[Fargus]

I only had time to play a bit last night and it seems alright so far. People kept saying Nu-xcom and it was shit in this thread so I was skeptical but it feels different. Combat already feels better than Nu-Xcom and this game kind of feels like Silent Storm (someone already said that here) but that is kind of a pleasant surprise. I haven't played JA2 in like 20 years but considering how games are now this is kind of good?

I can't say i'm having a blast like others in this thread. But it's not shit for a game made today, at least not a franchise rape like other games after JA2. Hopefully will be better with mods.

 

[Ryzer]

I only had time to play a bit last night and it seems alright so far. People kept saying Nu-xcom and it was shit in this thread so I was skeptical but it feels different. Combat already feels better than Nu-Xcom and this game kind of feels like Silent Storm (someone already said that here) but that is kind of a pleasant surprise. I haven't played JA2 in like 20 years but considering how games are now this is kind of good?

I can't say i'm having a blast like others in this thread. But it's not shit for a game made today, at least not a franchise rape like other games after JA2. Hopefully will be better with mods.

The portraits got raped though, it's completely out of place compared to what the first two games offered.

 

[Infinitron]

If it was like Silent Storm you could have one spotter and 5 snipers hanging in the corner clear the whole map by shooting through the walls.


Also, Blobert?

BLOBERT

 

[Fargus]

I only had time to play a bit last night and it seems alright so far. People kept saying Nu-xcom and it was shit in this thread so I was skeptical but it feels different. Combat already feels better than Nu-Xcom and this game kind of feels like Silent Storm (someone already said that here) but that is kind of a pleasant surprise. I haven't played JA2 in like 20 years but considering how games are now this is kind of good?

I can't say i'm having a blast like others in this thread. But it's not shit for a game made today, at least not a franchise rape like other games after JA2. Hopefully will be better with mods.

The portraits got raped though, it's completely out of place.

That's something that could be fixed with photoshop, portraits are not even animated.

But yeah, i agree. They are like daz3d freaks, i mean look at what they did to Thor Kaufman. Jesus Christ...

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Eep. Play where it lies or take a mulligan? At least I held back the rest of the team.

Spoiler

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Save me, palm tree! The other option was the naked dude statues but they didn't seem, err, girthy enough.

Spoiler

Update: didn't make it. Interesting that after he was downed, the AI made another shotgun shot to his face to finish him off. Everyone else got away though. Can I make another IMP freebie?

 

[gogis]

Save me, palm tree! The other option was the naked dude statues but they didn't seem, err, girthy enough.

Spoiler

Update: didn't make it. Interesting that after he was downed, the AI made another shotgun shot to his face to finish him off. Everyone else got away though. Can I make another IMP freebie?

Don't tell me you play ironman and chose "don't involve me" option. This battle is nightmare

 

[Grampy_Bone]

play ironman

I'm not insane. Just thought I'd try it though. Reloaded and sided with Luigi because why not.

Also, Barry MVP right here. Starting to think I could have taken them all from the roof.

Spoiler

Ten hostiles down in one turn. 5 of them Barry's. One nice headshot on the machinegunner by Omryn, grenade + AK followup by Grizzly, couple bursts from the Steyr with Alpha, and finally two one-shot shotgun blasts to the dick from Livewire. She's terrible and I've been planning to ditch her but she wins with her kill quote, very matter-of-fact "I THINK I JUST KILLED THAT PERSON."

(Luigi was immediately killed on the next turn. Oh well.)

 

[Alienman]

Fence sitters get shotgunned in the world of Jagged Alliance. Hard but true fact

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Thug 1: *dies*
Thug 2: "Oh sheet, that fooker owed me money!"


Haemimont should hire Cleve (and Brenda Romero) and make a Wizardry.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Yea stealth sniper is safer because you are not receiving autofire when you have 0 AP in the first round.

As someone already noted, Fox starts with a unique talent such that she maintains her AP if combat begins due to her attack.

Yeah in the prison, I killed all the guards outside the building with Fox sneaking behind them and cutting their throats with a knife. Not bad for a medic/exmodel.

Clearing the building itself was a pain in the ass though, I literally used up all my grenades just on Jackhammer because that fucker was determined to stay in his office.

Jackhammer is simple to kill through the window with just a few shots.

Also, Barry MVP right here. Starting to think I could have taken them all from the roof.


(Luigi was immediately killed on the next turn. Oh well.)

I initiated combat with five of my team on the roof, while Steroid ran for cover behind a tree. Luigi was killed quickly on the enemy's first turn, though; I don't know how it would be possible to save him, except perhaps through profligate use of explosives.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

I don't know how it would be possible to save him

I think if you had two guys lob grenades from the left side and make sure to get every melee dude he might make it. The real problem is his AI is too dumb to run for cover.

 

[bobocrunch]

Jackhammer was the easiest part of that entire place for me, dude stood in the doorway allowing me to get shots from outside and then ran away the next turn downstairs towards the underground, so I threw a molotov in and killed him after waiting 2 turns for it to burn. Vengeance for Grizzly