Jagged Alliance 3 from Haemimont Games

[Fargus]

I only had time to play a bit last night and it seems alright so far. People kept saying Nu-xcom and it was shit in this thread so I was skeptical but it feels different. Combat already feels better than Nu-Xcom and this game kind of feels like Silent Storm (someone already said that here) but that is kind of a pleasant surprise. I haven't played JA2 in like 20 years but considering how games are now this is kind of good?

I can't say i'm having a blast like others in this thread. But it's not shit for a game made today, at least not a franchise rape like other games after JA2. Hopefully will be better with mods.

 

[Ryzer]

I only had time to play a bit last night and it seems alright so far. People kept saying Nu-xcom and it was shit in this thread so I was skeptical but it feels different. Combat already feels better than Nu-Xcom and this game kind of feels like Silent Storm (someone already said that here) but that is kind of a pleasant surprise. I haven't played JA2 in like 20 years but considering how games are now this is kind of good?

I can't say i'm having a blast like others in this thread. But it's not shit for a game made today, at least not a franchise rape like other games after JA2. Hopefully will be better with mods.

The portraits got raped though, it's completely out of place compared to what the first two games offered.

 

[Infinitron]

If it was like Silent Storm you could have one spotter and 5 snipers hanging in the corner clear the whole map by shooting through the walls.


Also, Blobert?

BLOBERT

 

[Fargus]

I only had time to play a bit last night and it seems alright so far. People kept saying Nu-xcom and it was shit in this thread so I was skeptical but it feels different. Combat already feels better than Nu-Xcom and this game kind of feels like Silent Storm (someone already said that here) but that is kind of a pleasant surprise. I haven't played JA2 in like 20 years but considering how games are now this is kind of good?

I can't say i'm having a blast like others in this thread. But it's not shit for a game made today, at least not a franchise rape like other games after JA2. Hopefully will be better with mods.

The portraits got raped though, it's completely out of place.

That's something that could be fixed with photoshop, portraits are not even animated.

But yeah, i agree. They are like daz3d freaks, i mean look at what they did to Thor Kaufman. Jesus Christ...

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Eep. Play where it lies or take a mulligan? At least I held back the rest of the team.

Spoiler

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Save me, palm tree! The other option was the naked dude statues but they didn't seem, err, girthy enough.

Spoiler

Update: didn't make it. Interesting that after he was downed, the AI made another shotgun shot to his face to finish him off. Everyone else got away though. Can I make another IMP freebie?

 

[gogis]

Save me, palm tree! The other option was the naked dude statues but they didn't seem, err, girthy enough.

Spoiler

Update: didn't make it. Interesting that after he was downed, the AI made another shotgun shot to his face to finish him off. Everyone else got away though. Can I make another IMP freebie?

Don't tell me you play ironman and chose "don't involve me" option. This battle is nightmare

 

[Grampy_Bone]

play ironman

I'm not insane. Just thought I'd try it though. Reloaded and sided with Luigi because why not.

Also, Barry MVP right here. Starting to think I could have taken them all from the roof.

Spoiler

Ten hostiles down in one turn. 5 of them Barry's. One nice headshot on the machinegunner by Omryn, grenade + AK followup by Grizzly, couple bursts from the Steyr with Alpha, and finally two one-shot shotgun blasts to the dick from Livewire. She's terrible and I've been planning to ditch her but she wins with her kill quote, very matter-of-fact "I THINK I JUST KILLED THAT PERSON."

(Luigi was immediately killed on the next turn. Oh well.)

 

[Alienman]

Fence sitters get shotgunned in the world of Jagged Alliance. Hard but true fact

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Thug 1: *dies*
Thug 2: "Oh sheet, that fooker owed me money!"


Haemimont should hire Cleve (and Brenda Romero) and make a Wizardry.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Yea stealth sniper is safer because you are not receiving autofire when you have 0 AP in the first round.

As someone already noted, Fox starts with a unique talent such that she maintains her AP if combat begins due to her attack.

Yeah in the prison, I killed all the guards outside the building with Fox sneaking behind them and cutting their throats with a knife. Not bad for a medic/exmodel.

Clearing the building itself was a pain in the ass though, I literally used up all my grenades just on Jackhammer because that fucker was determined to stay in his office.

Jackhammer is simple to kill through the window with just a few shots.

Also, Barry MVP right here. Starting to think I could have taken them all from the roof.


(Luigi was immediately killed on the next turn. Oh well.)

I initiated combat with five of my team on the roof, while Steroid ran for cover behind a tree. Luigi was killed quickly on the enemy's first turn, though; I don't know how it would be possible to save him, except perhaps through profligate use of explosives.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

I don't know how it would be possible to save him

I think if you had two guys lob grenades from the left side and make sure to get every melee dude he might make it. The real problem is his AI is too dumb to run for cover.

 

[bobocrunch]

Jackhammer was the easiest part of that entire place for me, dude stood in the doorway allowing me to get shots from outside and then ran away the next turn downstairs towards the underground, so I threw a molotov in and killed him after waiting 2 turns for it to burn. Vengeance for Grizzly

 

[Fargus]

A little tip for Port Cacao.

Don't be like me, be careful. If you leave the K9 sector with killer grannies without training militia (or maybe solving granny quest) it will be counter attacked by Legion forces soon, they will capture Coffee Beans gang and put them in a building full of explosives and you will have 2 minutes to disarm the bombs. There were 17 legion niggers on that map and that was nasty.

Best way to handle this cituation is by attacking it from K10 mine sector. Much easier to get to the bombs and disarm them.

 

[gogis]

A little tip for Port Cacao.

Don't be like me, be careful. If you leave the K9 sector with killer grannies without training militia (or maybe solving granny quest) it will be counter attacked by Legion forces soon, they will capture Coffee Beans gang and put them in a building full of explosives and you will have 2 minutes to disarm the bombs. There were 17 legion niggers on that map and that was nasty.

Best way to handle this cituation is by attacking it from K10 mine sector. Much easier to get to the bombs and disarm them.

Spoiler

I got tip from grannies that attack is incoming, got quest to convince them to join a party, convinced all but one, trained some militia and fended the attack. Was glad one granny died in process, they were mightily annoying

 

[udm]

OK you guys convinced me. Into the wishlist it goes, will get when it's on sale. Special thanks to gogis, bobocrunch, Grampy_Bone for testing the systems which were my concerns.

 

[Fargus]

A little tip for Port Cacao.

Don't be like me, be careful. If you leave the K9 sector with killer grannies without training militia (or maybe solving granny quest) it will be counter attacked by Legion forces soon, they will capture Coffee Beans gang and put them in a building full of explosives and you will have 2 minutes to disarm the bombs. There were 17 legion niggers on that map and that was nasty.

Best way to handle this cituation is by attacking it from K10 mine sector. Much easier to get to the bombs and disarm them.

Spoiler

I got tip from grannies that attack is incoming, got quest to convince them to join a party, convinced all but one, trained some militia and fended the attack. Was glad one granny died in process, they were mightily annoying

They are annoying. I only conviced half of them, didn't really want to do that quest at the time. Then i had to split half of my mercs to send reinforcements to Fleatown. And another half went to capture diamond shipment because i struggle with the money. Thats how i got in this mess.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

A little tip for Port Cacao.

Don't be like me, be careful. If you leave the K9 sector with killer grannies without training militia (or maybe solving granny quest) it will be counter attacked by Legion forces soon, they will capture Coffee Beans gang and put them in a building full of explosives and you will have 2 minutes to disarm the bombs. There were 17 legion niggers on that map and that was nasty.

Best way to handle this cituation is by attacking it from K10 mine sector. Much easier to get to the bombs and disarm them.

Its interesting because I participated in the attack and got them all killed, you lose 5 loyalty in Cacao for each death but it was only at 5% for me and it doesn't go negative, so it could have been worse. Wonder if that's an easier way to prevent the loyalty hit.

 

[Pocgels]

The ability to plan-coordinate multiple kills at once during the stealth like in shadow tactics would've been cool. Probably broken, since you might be able to wipe out entire groups without using ammo or raising the alarm, but much more satisfying than knifing one guy and gunning the rest with overwatch.

Oh, and it's great how 90s-action-movie the music is while you're sneaking. Must be the marimbas.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Looooooool you can put a silencer on the AA12 auto shotgun.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Silenced everything. I'm expecting silenced bazookas in a minute.

Also, the underslung grenade launcher on the assault rifle has absolutely ridiculous range. Literal crossmap sniping with grenades. Simply click on enemy clusters anywhere on the map and enjoy your victory.

 

[Reject_666_6]

I only had time to play a bit last night and it seems alright so far. People kept saying Nu-xcom and it was shit in this thread so I was skeptical but it feels different. Combat already feels better than Nu-Xcom and this game kind of feels like Silent Storm (someone already said that here) but that is kind of a pleasant surprise. I haven't played JA2 in like 20 years but considering how games are now this is kind of good?

I can't say i'm having a blast like others in this thread. But it's not shit for a game made today, at least not a franchise rape like other games after JA2. Hopefully will be better with mods.

The portraits got raped though, it's completely out of place compared to what the first two games offered.

 

[Gumsmith]

Yeah in the prison, I killed all the guards outside the building with Fox sneaking behind them and cutting their throats with a knife. Not bad for a medic/exmodel.

Clearing the building itself was a pain in the ass though, I literally used up all my grenades just on Jackhammer because that fucker was determined to stay in his office.

Jackhammer is simple to kill through the window with just a few shots.

Stabbing works too with a few perks, cuts through a lot of bullshit like armor and interrupts.

 

[Alter Sack]

Played the game for several hours.

All in all it's one of the better JA2 clones/sequels.

It's nice that it has a strategic layer like JA2.



But there is a lot of room for improvements.

The AI is often borderline retarded.

The enemies often storm your position only to stop directly in front of your mercenaries without attacking and being swiftly dispatched with headshots in the next turn.

Sometimes they are stuck in the corner of a room and don't move at all.

Moreover the switch to real time after dispatching the enemies visible to you doesn't work correctly and you are often stuck in turn based mode with only one enemy on the map remaining.

Upgrading your weapons is a bit cumbersome. You need scrap metal, a special component and a mercenary with a high mechanical skill.

Also a shop interface would have been nice.

And no Bobby Rays?


The banter and voice acting of your mercenaries is surprisingly well made, albeit it doesn't reach JA2 level of goodness.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Not sure if it's a bug or what, but if you try to equip a knife and a gun on Fox it doesn't allow it. However if you equip her with two guns, then drag one gun off onto a knife in a backback, you can equip knife/gun CQC style. I tried to do stealth melee kills this way and it didn't work, but I was still able to use the Brutalize special move.

*edit* it's definitely a bug, once combat starts she can't use the gun anymore. Still neat though.

*edit edit* Sometimes the gun still works... Probably shouldn't mess with it, might break something. Just handy to be able to have a stealth shot to kill one target and follow up with a 6-hit knife attack and still have dual UZIs for open combat.