Jagged Alliance 3 from Haemimont Games

[gogis]

Niggers when you talk about hit chances and what tactics are good or not, tell what difficulty you play on. I play on standard, and the sniper rifles are way too easy.

I play on hardest, but does it REALLY matter? I thought it's only affects composition of enemies. Like more elites and such. Aren't comparative power of guns should stay the same? It's not like burst works better vs elites, usually headshot from sniper is still better (helmets notwithstanding)

 

[Hobo Elf]

Burst Fire is kind of doggie shit in this game, until it isn't. When your Marksmanship is over 90 and you mod your gun to shoot 4 bullets, then it actually becomes good in Overwatch. And also as Strange Fellow said modding your AR to shoot nades is good. Fuck me, it's so good you could just use the AR for that alone. SMGs I found to be less useful but not to the point where it made the game unplayable. I think Burst Fire needs a new balance pass because as it is it just isn't worth it until the very end of the game. Early and mid game it's absurd to even think about it. You pay more in AP and bullets and you _have_ to hit with all 3 bullets for it to be worth it. Otherwise you're paying 2 bullets and an extra AP to do the same amount of damage as you'd have done with the single shot, or worse.

 

[Nortar]

I'm on Commando (Hard I think?)

I'm having great fun, it's a bit too easy on normal. I'm wondering why people are complaining it's too hard on the steam forums, for all intents and purposes if there is something that is sucking the fun out of it it would be the low difficulty.

This is the newspeak for modern audience.
If your game has 3 difficulty setting you just don't call the first one piss-easy.
You call it "standard" or "adventure" or some other bullshit that won't hurt anyone's feeling for chosing piss-easy mode.
Coz if it is not called piss-easy than you're not weaksause for playing it, right?

Likewise, the middle one of the 3 setting is not hard.
It's "medium" regardless if it's called Commando or even Fucking-Ubermench-God mode.
Being neither lowest nor highest difficulty average is what it is.

But looks like that newspeak has backfired.
Now they seem to believe that if the lowest difficulty is called "standard", then the game could have been made even easier.

 

[ArchAngel]

I think he is saying he was using common sense and simple options and other players are retarded as a result if they are not capable of the same.

Yet he admitted he "didn't realize rifles were good" at first, and clearly has played the game much longer than I have, so it took him awhile to reach this 'retard' level. Though I will admit, I am the only guilty man in Shawshank, and the only Codex player who doesn't instantly master every game the first second I boot it up. You got me there.

My point is what I said at the beginning, that the game isn't really tactical, because once you realize the dominant strategy (modded rifles + explosives) game becomes easy af, there is literally 0 challenge left. Explosives at least are kinda scarce at the beginning, but you quickly start amassing insane amounts. Pistols/smgs/assault rifles/shotguns are literally useless dogshit trash, melee is situationally good only because it's bugged and gives you literally infinite attacks on a single target, or multiple targets close to each other, MGs are decent for clearing big clumps of enemies, but explosives are better at it. I don't recall any other tactical game I've played in the last decade, that would launch with THAT unbalanced and easy to abuse combat, with 80% of weapon classes being completely useless - and since it has very streamlined strategic layer, character building and inventory management and non-existent economy, if combat is bad then the whole game is bad and worthless.

Uhh, you must have not played Phoenix Point at release where you had multiple builds that could clear the whole map of enemies in single turn :D

 

[Jrpgfan]

Honestly, this was definitely the big surprise of the year for me. I was expecting a nuXCOM clone at best.

With the release of Colony Ship and maybe that zombie survival game and Project Haven, this could be the best year for me for cRPGs and Tactical CRPGs in recent times.

 

[Lord of Riva]

But looks like that newspeak has backfired.
Now they seem to believe that if the lowest difficulty is called "standard", then the game could have been made even easier.

I know of this issue but frankly aside from the mainstream games, which I was not sure I would count that towards, i tend to give developer balancing a go. When it comes to indies it is sometimes turned on it's head and the difficulty is completely arse on the highest level, basically at this point in time it's basically a coinflip is something is of adequate difficulty since the options have basically lost meaning.

 

[ArchAngel]

Honestly, this was definitely the big surprise of the year for me. I was expecting a nuXCOM clone at best.

With the release of Colony Ship and maybe that zombie survival game and Project Haven, this could be the best year for me for cRPGs and Tactical CRPGs in recent times.

Aliens: Dark Descent seems like a bigger pleasant surprise.

 

[Morgoth]

Honestly, this was definitely the big surprise of the year for me. I was expecting a nuXCOM clone at best.

With the release of Colony Ship and maybe that zombie survival game and Project Haven, this could be the best year for me for cRPGs and Tactical CRPGs in recent times.

Aliens: Dark Descent seems like a bigger pleasant surprise.

Have times become so desperate for tactical fans that this half-baked AA trash galore is now being lauded as the second coming?

 

[Lord of Riva]

Honestly, this was definitely the big surprise of the year for me. I was expecting a nuXCOM clone at best.

With the release of Colony Ship and maybe that zombie survival game and Project Haven, this could be the best year for me for cRPGs and Tactical CRPGs in recent times.

Aliens: Dark Descent seems like a bigger pleasant surprise.

Have times become so desperate for tactical fans that this half-baked AA trash galore is now being lauded as the second coming?

why are you so unbelievable gay

 

[Jrpgfan]

Honestly, this was definitely the big surprise of the year for me. I was expecting a nuXCOM clone at best.

With the release of Colony Ship and maybe that zombie survival game and Project Haven, this could be the best year for me for cRPGs and Tactical CRPGs in recent times.

Aliens: Dark Descent seems like a bigger pleasant surprise.

Have times become so desperate for tactical fans that this half-baked AA trash galore is now being lauded as the second coming?

I completely ignore anything with "GmbH" in it. Sorry.

 

[Grampy_Bone]

Not sure if people realize you get extra shots in Overwatch than your AP would normally allow, and different weapons/mods can get even more shots. It's completely viable to run an overwatch merc and provide covering fire each turn. This has a denial effect since the AI will try to avoid overwatch cones if it can, and you can use it to set up ambushes or otherwise control enemy movement. So there is a role for burst-fire guns to play, just maybe not the role people wanted. Of course MGs are the kings of overwatch, assuming you want to pay the ammo cost. ARs are the budget option.

Really though it's absurd you can't buy ammo. I'm not low or anything but still, what else are you spending money on? Some kind of system where you need to make contact with local arms dealers to grow your supply and increase stock would have made sense, not to mention centralized player bases with recon vehicles, insertion choppers, etc. Missed opportunity to enhance the strategy layer.

 

[Jinn]

Really though it's absurd you can't buy ammo. I'm not low or anything but still, what else are you spending money on? Some kind of system where you need to make contact with local arms dealers to grow your supply and increase stock would have made sense, not to mention centralized player bases with recon vehicles, insertion choppers, etc. Missed opportunity to enhance the strategy layer.

My biggest gripe with the game is a lack of a store/bartering system. I understand it was a little easier to balance that way, but a huge wasted opportunity for a more varied economy and some exciting equipment acquisitions. Shame on them! Surely the overhaul mod that'll eventually get made will add this vital missing component.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

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[Smashing Axe]

Anyone have luck with stealth commando / close range squads that aren't melee? I wanted to SOGmaxx and kit out Shadow + Flay + Fox + Larry with NVGs, gas, and masks but these SMGs do pitiful damage and the run and gun isn't really worth it when one flashbang can completely ruin you. Might have to just limit them to night but it's tough since I'm getting army'd

I've been having some great success using shotguns, modded ak-47s (with suppressors) and a sniper. Barry's shaped charges are also incredible if your enemies bunch up close together (I took out 7 guys with one throw)

I haven't found a way to make SMGs work. Just too low damage. Shotguns you need to mod for narrower firing arc and improved damage and range.

 

[Jonathan "Zee Nekomimi]

https://www.nexusmods.com/jaggedalliance3/mods/13

 

[Jrpgfan]

https://www.nexusmods.com/jaggedalliance3/mods/13

That was fast.

The wonders of modkit.

 

[Jrpgfan]

Btw I was experiencing shit performance, then I realized I was using DLSS with 100% native resolution so it was upscaling the native resolution to downscale later. So if anyone is having the same issue make sure you have it bellow 100% if you have DLSS on.

 

[rojay]

This mod removes the damage penalty for burst fire: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3006227631

Same guy made another one that reduces the penalty but doesn't do away with it altogether: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3006243189

Haven't tried either of them and probably won't, but I imagine it makes ARs and SMGs better, if not overpowered.

 

[Jrpgfan]

Really though it's absurd you can't buy ammo. I'm not low or anything but still, what else are you spending money on? Some kind of system where you need to make contact with local arms dealers to grow your supply and increase stock would have made sense, not to mention centralized player bases with recon vehicles, insertion choppers, etc. Missed opportunity to enhance the strategy layer.

My biggest gripe with the game is a lack of a store/bartering system. I understand it was a little easier to balance that way, but a huge wasted opportunity for a more varied economy and some exciting equipment acquisitions. Shame on them! Surely the overhaul mod that'll eventually get made will add this vital missing component.

If they don't want to add a batering system they could atleast put more "flea markets" around the world(maybe giving the better hardware for the ones that are harder to reach or in some secret spot). It won't be as practical as Bobby Ray but atleast will add to the atmosphere/immershum.

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Well started my 3rd new game because my second FUBARed as I try to assault a fortress 5 v 16, mines running out and all and no money

I can't imagine starting the game without Barry, he is probably the most cost effective explosive specialist. Decided not to have the OP hacker girl this time around (the one with PDA showing all of enemies so long you have intel) and opted for a steroid bound polacks that's half retarded. Fox for medic instead of Michael. And an IMP to save money on, frankly money seems really tight this game.

 

[Pegultagol]

I'm playing through the game right now and reached the mainland, and overall impressed with the game so far. I appreciate that many map sectors have something interesting going on, and exploration nets resources that continue to feed the loop of hiring mercs, liberating territory, resupply and hiring more mercs. I find I really need to 'live off the land'.

I also think the devs did an OK job with the strategy layer, with sector inventory ('sector stash') streamlined as things like crafting is now tied to the weapon itself, making each one feel more customized and valuable.

The omissions are, as many mentioned already, the absence of online shopfront for gun purchases, no real market for guns, and crafting resources scarcity seems contrived (i.e. gunpowder). I do miss vehicles so far and especially Skyrider, but that puts into perspective of how to think ahead and coordinate mercs' actions against time.

Sometimes the dev's desire to weave a bit of narrative or drama into certain events goes against my expectations for a Jagged Alliance game. One such example is the Haunted Mansion sector where the second phase of the event is some special kind of scripted bullshit that puts everything into a lurch. Sure, it tests the mettle of your squad as they react against stacked odds and that act in of itself tests one's resourcefulness and skill, but I never experienced anything like that aside from maybe Drassen counterattack in JA2.

 

[Smashing Axe]

I'm playing through the game right now and reached the mainland, and overall impressed with the game so far. I appreciate that many map sectors have something interesting going on, and exploration nets resources that continue to feed the loop of hiring mercs, liberating territory, resupply and hiring more mercs. I find I really need to 'live off the land'.

I also think the devs did an OK job with the strategy layer, with sector inventory ('sector stash') streamlined as things like crafting is now tied to the weapon itself, making each one feel more customized and valuable.

The omissions are, as many mentioned already, the absence of online shopfront for gun purchases, no real market for guns, and crafting resources scarcity seems contrived (i.e. gunpowder). I do miss vehicles so far and especially Skyrider, but that puts into perspective of how to think ahead and coordinate mercs' actions against time.

Sometimes the dev's desire to weave a bit of narrative or drama into certain events goes against my expectations for a Jagged Alliance game. One such example is the Haunted Mansion sector where the second phase of the event is some special kind of scripted bullshit that puts everything into a lurch. Sure, it tests the mettle of your squad as they react against stacked odds and that act in of itself tests one's resourcefulness and skill, but I never experienced anything like that aside from maybe Drassen counterattack in JA2.

Yeah Haunted Mansion round 2 as well as the Fleatown church put me in a position where I had to reload several times just to survive. I do enjoy the difficulty spikes but kind of wish you had some warning about them so you aren't placed in an unwinnable scenario. I'd be seriously impressed with anyone that can do a blind vanilla ironman.

 

[BLOBERT]

If it was like Silent Storm you could have one spotter and 5 snipers hanging in the corner clear the whole map by shooting through the walls.


Also, Blobert?

BLOBERT

BROS AWESOME!!?

 

[lycanwarrior]

I'm playing through the game right now and reached the mainland, and overall impressed with the game so far. I appreciate that many map sectors have something interesting going on, and exploration nets resources that continue to feed the loop of hiring mercs, liberating territory, resupply and hiring more mercs. I find I really need to 'live off the land'.

I also think the devs did an OK job with the strategy layer, with sector inventory ('sector stash') streamlined as things like crafting is now tied to the weapon itself, making each one feel more customized and valuable.

The omissions are, as many mentioned already, the absence of online shopfront for gun purchases, no real market for guns, and crafting resources scarcity seems contrived (i.e. gunpowder). I do miss vehicles so far and especially Skyrider, but that puts into perspective of how to think ahead and coordinate mercs' actions against time.

Sometimes the dev's desire to weave a bit of narrative or drama into certain events goes against my expectations for a Jagged Alliance game. One such example is the Haunted Mansion sector where the second phase of the event is some special kind of scripted bullshit that puts everything into a lurch. Sure, it tests the mettle of your squad as they react against stacked odds and that act in of itself tests one's resourcefulness and skill, but I never experienced anything like that aside from maybe Drassen counterattack in JA2.

Yeah Haunted Mansion round 2 as well as the Fleatown church put me in a position where I had to reload several times just to survive. I do enjoy the difficulty spikes but kind of wish you had some warning about them so you aren't placed in an unwinnable scenario. I'd be seriously impressed with anyone that can do a blind vanilla ironman.

I exited out of Haunted Mansion before round 2 started and will revisit later. Those fights were tough, especially those with automatic machine guns pinning you down with AOE bursts.

 

[Cyberarmy]

I survived that Haunted Mansion fight thanks to foggy night. Many enemy shots grazed till I got to good cover. BTW undisarmed mines are actually useful in that situtation, newcomers step on them a lot.