Eternity Pillars of Eternity + The White March Expansion Thread

[Lacrymas]

Accuracy > everything else on PotD.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Accuracy > everything else on PotD.

If i take Dexterity to 10, i can take Perception to 18 and Might to 19 but like i said i have to find a way to fight off the penalty of heavy armor.

If this was a rogue or a barbarian it might have been different, but i want to wear plate and this is the best i can do i think.

If i wanted to truly min/max i'd knock off Resolve too but that would ruin the concept since at this point i'm equating Resolve with Charisma from D&D and i need it for roleplaying reasons if nothing else.

I mean there's something like 80 dialogue checks for Resolve. Hard to ignore.

 

[Lacrymas]

It depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it. If you only want to "tank", dumping DEX to a minimum is what I'd do, regardless of whether you have plate on. With your stat spread, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what you are going for.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I'm going for a tank/dps (2 handed) hybrid who is also something of a conversationalist. Switch to sword & board or my 2 hander on a pinch depending on the situation, rely on buffs to raise the talkie stats as needed.

Pure dps i would dump resolve and just max Might, Dexterity and Perception.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

rely on buffs to raise the talkie stats as needed.

nobody tell him

 

[Lyric Suite]

Don't tell me the dialogue check relies on the base stat only and ignores buffs. I've read several people talking about stacking all sorts of shit for dialogue, so unless something changed i don't see what you are getting at.

 

[Lyric Suite]

It depends on what you want to do and how you want to do it. If you only want to "tank", dumping DEX to a minimum is what I'd do, regardless of whether you have plate on. With your stat spread, I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what you are going for.

The problem with making a full tank (and i know why people prefer that, given you can pump all the talkie stats to max while still making a viable build):

1) I would have to play something other than the Kind Wayfarer as Strange Mercy would be pointless if i can't kill anything.
2) If the AI is anything remotely similar to that of the IE games i assume that if i can't deal any damage mobs will just walk past me while laughting in my face to add insult to injury. I'd be the only one left standing after the whole party is dead. Didn't you say something to do that effect yourself?

 

[Lacrymas]

I'm going for a tank/dps (2 handed) hybrid who is also something of a conversationalist. Switch to sword & board or my 2 hander on a pinch depending on the situation, rely on buffs to raise the talkie stats as needed.

Pure dps i would dump resolve and just max Might, Dexterity and Perception.

The problem with making a full tank (and i know why people prefer that, given you can pump all the talkie stats to max while still making a viable build):

1) I would have to play something other than the Kind Wayfarer as Strange Mercy would be pointless if i can't kill anything.
2) If the AI is anything remotely similar to that of the IE games i assume that if i can't deal any damage mobs will just walk past me while laughting in my face to add insult to injury. I'd be the only one left standing after the whole party is dead. Didn't you say something to do that effect yourself?

Why don't you go fighter? I'm not seeing the need to be a Paladin in this case. Paladins are ...very specific in this system and I suspect it's going to underperform under these conditions and stat spread.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Because:

1) I want to play a Paladin and i want him to be what my Paladins in the IE games used to be, or at any rate i want to conform to the classic "lore" of the Paladin.
2) Because i'm taking Eder and i prefer to have unique classes for all my characters. No duplicates.

 

[Lacrymas]

Then try it out and report back. You have a few surprises to look forward to ;d

 

[dacencora]

Eder makes a great, albeit boring, tank btw. He’s the guy you want as the meat shield. That dude can’t die if you build him right. Pallagena can do some crazy damage and works well with a reach weapon right behind Eder. A 2H Pally PC could fill that same spot.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

just play the game
unless you're killing the SPOILER SPOILY SPOILS OPTIONAL BOSSY BOSS, you'll be fine

 

[Lacrymas]

just play the game
unless you're killing the SPOILER SPOILY SPOILS OPTIONAL BOSSY BOSS, you'll be fine

That's a meme fight anyway and I still have no idea what works and what doesn't.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Then try it out and report back. You have a few surprises to look forward to ;d

Well, it seems the problem is with the game though, isn't it?

Let's say i forget about RP and go for pure min/max.

If i make the Paladin a tank, he will suck because the AI will just ignore him. Dex and Perception will be dumped to oblivion, he would just be a buff bot and i would still need Eder to tank. Good convertionalist though.

If i make him a damage dealer (preferably dual wielding stiletto shoes), he will be subpar compared to other classes.

So it seems the best way to play the Paladin is to just pick another class. Thanks Sawyer.

 

[JDR13]

1) I want to play a Paladin and i want him to be what my Paladins in the IE games used to be, or at any rate i want to conform to the classic "lore" of the Paladin.

I don't see the point in that. This is a totally different setting.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Then try it out and report back. You have a few surprises to look forward to ;d

Well, it seems the problem is with the game though, isn't it?

Let's say i forget about RP and go for pure min/max.

If i make the Paladin a tank, he will suck because the AI will just ignore him. Dex and Perception will be dumped to oblivion, he would just be a buff bot and i would still need Eder to tank. Good convertionalist though.

If i make him a damage dealer (preferably dual wielding stiletto shoes), he will be subpar compared to other classes.

So it seems the best way to play the Paladin is to just pick another class. Thanks Sawyer.

Iirc paladin was one of the best classes in the first poe, and most examples of the hardest content being soloed was by using a paladin.

Your problem is that you're overthinking it without even playing it. It's not IE. You mention "run right past" because you don't seem to be aware of engagement. Just play the game and have fun, damn.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Your problem is that you're overthinking it without even playing it. It's not IE. You mention "run right past" because you don't seem to be aware of engagement. Just play the game and have fun, damn.

The AI of this game doesn't care about engagement. The AI makes a check against how much you can hurt them and if they see you are not much of a threat they are more than happy to risk a disengament attack to go after your squishies.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Your problem is that you're overthinking it without even playing it. It's not IE. You mention "run right past" because you don't seem to be aware of engagement. Just play the game and have fun, damn.

The AI of this game doesn't care about engagement. The AI makes a check against how much you can hurt them and if they see you are not much of a threat they are more than happy to risk a disengament attack to go after your squishies.

I don't recall this happening to me at all and I played through it multiple times on potd. Eder generally never had any issue keeping most of the enemies attacking him.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Your problem is that you're overthinking it without even playing it. It's not IE. You mention "run right past" because you don't seem to be aware of engagement. Just play the game and have fun, damn.

The AI of this game doesn't care about engagement. The AI makes a check against how much you can hurt them and if they see you are not much of a threat they are more than happy to risk a disengament attack to go after your squishies.

I don't recall this happening to me at all and I played through it multiple times on potd. Eder generally never had any issue keeping most of the enemies attacking him.

Eder is a fighter and he is not build to ignore damage output completely like a min/maxed Paladin tank.

 

[MajorMace]

If i make the Paladin a tank, he will suck because the AI will just ignore him

Feels like making a character a tank and having the AI ignore you means you failed to make your character a tank.
I guess you meant make your character beefy.

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Just roll barbarian ffs

 

[Haplo]

Just roll barbarian ffs

A very good advice.

 

[Lyric Suite]

1) I want to play a Paladin and i want him to be what my Paladins in the IE games used to be, or at any rate i want to conform to the classic "lore" of the Paladin.

I don't see the point in that. This is a totally different setting.

But it has nothing to do with the setting though. It's a matter of the mechanics. I can't make a copy of Keldorn wielding Casomyr because you are better off dual wielding a sabre and a stiletto and pretend you are D'Artagnan with full plate armor.

I don't see anything in the "lore" of the game that explains why using traditional knightly weapons is a sub-par choice for this class (but isn't for a Barbarian or a Rogue).

 

[Lyric Suite]

If i make the Paladin a tank, he will suck because the AI will just ignore him

Feels like making a character a tank and having the AI ignore you means you failed to make your character a tank.
I guess you meant make your character beefy.

The Anvil of Dawn is the min/maxed tank build:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=416939844

You are not going to kill anything with that stat distribution. So what i did is lower Int and Resolve to pump up Dex and Perception, but that's "inefficient" because it's best to focus on one thing instead of trying to fill more than one role, as i've been told over and over in this thread.

The offered solution? Play a fighter. Lmao, thanks.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Just roll barbarian ffs

I always play Paladins. My mother and father in the IE games were Paladins.

But beyond that, i actually want to try the conversation mechanic of the Paladin in this game. That's one of the few things i actually found interesting and seems like an improvement over the reputation mechanic used in D&D.