Eternity Pillars of Eternity + The White March Expansion Thread

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

And where does soul energy come from?

Much of how souls "work" is currently not well understood by kith.

It was from Engwithan anon then it was from Wheel anon then it was from sequel bait retcon nonsense anon but it does not matter anon because it is before current gods anon that are not gods anon! It is! I do not care anon if you do hate edgy atheist nonsense anon but it is edgy atheist nonsense setting anon! It is!

 

[NJClaw]

Now it is obvious that D&D is partially inspired by Christianity, and that the abilities of priests are "rewards" given to them by the gods.

In the case of Pillars, what you are arguing is that the abilities of the Paladins are the result of the intensity of their faith in and of itself. The object of the faith is irrelevant and could in fact be completely mundane and trivial. It is the act of having this kind of faith as such that grants the Paladins those abilties.

Since rusty has been bringing up The Complete Paladin's Handbook a lot, I think it's time to take a look at The Complete Priest's Handbook, from that same edition:

Spoiler

EVERYTHING that you're saying about PoE distorting and perverting the concept of "divine powers" that inspired D&D is completely false.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

And where does soul energy come from?

You actually expected them to think this far ahead?
Let me put it this way:
There's a companion in deadfire that is entirely about this topic.
Woops, I lied, she's a sidekick(barely any interactions) and not a companion. Because that's how little they care about it, they needed to make the homosexual fish and the homosexual furry full companions instead of one of the most unique characters you encounter throughout both games.

 

[Lacrymas]

But since we are speaking of "real life" .... the archetype is what matters to me, because the archetype is reality and the setting is arbitrary fluff.

In the real world, we have outgrown Jung and Campbell, buddy. Quite a while ago actually. Maybe get with the times, gramps. There is no solution to the problems in the paradigm you have created for yourself.

As for where soul energy comes from, not from gods, let me tell you. Which is what is important to you, so I'm cutting to the chase.

 

[Delterius]

Now it is obvious that D&D is partially inspired by Christianity, and that the abilities of priests are "rewards" given to them by the gods.

In the case of Pillars, what you are arguing is that the abilities of the Paladins are the result of the intensity of their faith in and of itself. The object of the faith is irrelevant and could in fact be completely mundane and trivial. It is the act of having this kind of faith as such that grants the Paladins those abilties.

Since rusty has been bringing up The Complete Paladin's Handbook a lot, I think it's time to take a look at The Complete Priest's Handbook, from that same edition:

Spoiler

EVERYTHING that you're saying about PoE distorting and perverting the concept of "divine powers" that inspired D&D is completely false.

so in D&D you can be a Cleric of Nihilism and that gives you magic powers

very cool

 

[Lyric Suite]

And where does soul energy come from?

Much of how souls "work" is currently not well understood by kith.

It was from Engwithan anon then it was from Wheel anon then it was from sequel bait retcon nonsense anon but it does not matter anon because it is before current gods anon that are not gods anon! It is! I do not care anon if you do hate edgy atheist nonsense anon but it is edgy atheist nonsense setting anon! It is!

If it's the "setting" than make up your own archetype. They turned the bard into a "chanter" they could have gone the extra mile with the Paladin too and save themselves the trouble of people constantly asking to roleplay the classical Paladin (check the Obsidian forums it is full of threads of people asking how to build a typical Paladin).

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Now it is obvious that D&D is partially inspired by Christianity, and that the abilities of priests are "rewards" given to them by the gods.

In the case of Pillars, what you are arguing is that the abilities of the Paladins are the result of the intensity of their faith in and of itself. The object of the faith is irrelevant and could in fact be completely mundane and trivial. It is the act of having this kind of faith as such that grants the Paladins those abilties.

Since rusty has been bringing up The Complete Paladin's Handbook a lot, I think it's time to take a look at The Complete Priest's Handbook, from that same edition:

Spoiler

EVERYTHING that you're saying about PoE distorting and perverting the concept of "divine powers" that inspired D&D is completely false.

Not the same. The philosophy is so powerful that it completely blurs the line between it and the Force.
LS's argument was that you didn't even need a coherent philosophy let alone one that is "so compelling", you could just "bee yourself" and that's good enough apparently.

 

[mediocrepoet]

Yeah it's really hard to make a classic paladin in PoE.

1. Make a Kind Wayfarer.
2. Equip plate armour and either a great sword or sword / mace and shield.
3. Done.

 

[Delterius]

LS's argument was that you didn't even need a coherent philosophy let alone one that is "so compelling", you could just "bee yourself" and that's good enough apparently.

And yet it's not true? A Paladin isn't someone who is themselves anymore than a Soldier is a college student who thinks that guns are cool.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Yeah it's really hard to make a classic paladin in PoE.

1. Make a Kind Wayfarer.
2. Equip plate armour and either a great sword or sword / mace and shield.
3. Done.

In what way is that a paladin beyond vaguely looking like one if you squint hard enough?

 

[Lyric Suite]

Yeah it's really hard to make a classic paladin in PoE.

1. Make a Kind Wayfarer.
2. Equip plate armour and either a great sword or sword / mace and shield.
3. Done.

Imagine immolating yourself because of your passion for cartography.

 

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

LS's argument was that you didn't even need a coherent philosophy let alone one that is "so compelling", you could just "bee yourself" and that's good enough apparently.

What! You can do anon but you are penalise anon! What! You do need extant philosophy anon for Pillars Paladin class anon because if you do not match Disposition anon you are penalise anon! You are! What!

 

[Delterius]

Yeah it's really hard to make a classic paladin in PoE.

1. Make a Kind Wayfarer.
2. Equip plate armour and either a great sword or sword / mace and shield.
3. Done.

Imagine immolating yourself because of your passion for cartography.

Brandishing blades of magical fire as a medicant knight who travels the world, protects the weak and punishes the wicked*

literally templar duty

Yeah it's really hard to make a classic paladin in PoE.

1. Make a Kind Wayfarer.
2. Equip plate armour and either a great sword or sword / mace and shield.
3. Done.

In what way is that a paladin beyond vaguely looking like one if you squint hard enough?

1. Follows a strict set of principles, much like a classic paladin.
2. Is trained to fight in plate armor and arms similar to those of a classic paladin.
3. May or may not be tied to one of the Gods' temples or a Lord, just like a classic paladin.
4. Wields magical powers like those of a classic paladin.
do you need glasses

 

[Lyric Suite]

Yeah it's really hard to make a classic paladin in PoE.

1. Make a Kind Wayfarer.
2. Equip plate armour and either a great sword or sword / mace and shield.
3. Done.

Imagine immolating yourself because of your passion for cartography.

Travelling the world and protecting the weak*

literally fucking templar duty

Kind Wayfarers are not like the templars, they are basically glorified tour guides.

 

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

If it's the "setting" than make up your own archetype. They turned the bard into a "chanter" they could have gone the extra mile with the Paladin too and save themselves the trouble of people constantly asking to roleplay the classical Paladin (check the Obsidian forums it is full of threads of people asking how to build a typical Paladin).

What! I do hate Sawyer anon but you do say make own archetype anon when they did do anon! They did! They did make own archetype anon and I do know anon because you are many complaint anon that Pillars Paladin archetype is not same anon as Dungeons Dragons archetype anon! Pillars did make own archetype anon! What! You do say Chanter is extra mile anon from Bard anon so you did only want Paladin different name anon! If Sawyer did another not necessary change name nonsense anon would you acceptance Pillars Paladin anon! Would you! Do not say they did not make new archetype anon when you entire complaint anon is it too hard to play classic archetype anon! Do not! You did only want change name anon! You did!

 

[mediocrepoet]

I'll be the first to shit on Sawyer and everything he builds, but you guys are veering sharply into super try hard territory. Kind Wayfarers are literally knight errants whose strictures lead them straight down the intersection of Lawful Good Road and Protect the Weak Avenue.

 

[Delterius]

Yeah it's really hard to make a classic paladin in PoE.

1. Make a Kind Wayfarer.
2. Equip plate armour and either a great sword or sword / mace and shield.
3. Done.

Imagine immolating yourself because of your passion for cartography.

Travelling the world and protecting the weak*

literally fucking templar duty

Kind Wayfarers are not like the templars, they are basically glorified tour guides.

PoE1 Description

The Kind Wayfarers is a paladin order in Eora. It's the most widespread paladin order, the Kind Wayfarers are guides and protectors for travelers, often people of limited means traveling in dangerous areas. Kind Wayfarers lack the noble prestige of other paladin orders, but are widely respected by commoners for their generosity and compassion.

Protecting roads and travelers? You mean like pilgrims? Helping the Poor?? Templars would never stoop so low!

PoE2 Description

"A charitable order of knights-errant who assist troubled travelers and celebrate kindness, condemning deception and malice even when dealing with their enemies. The ranks of the Kind Wayfarers are filled with kith of all races and from all cultures. They can be found in any part of the Old Empires, Eastern Reach, and even the Deadfire."

can you r e a d lyric suite

 

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

Kind Wayfarers are not like the templars, they are basically glorified tour guides.

If you do not want Kind Wayfarer anon then you should play Shieldbearer anon! You should! You should APPLY SELF anon! You should!

 

[Ninjerk]

What game has ever generated, what now, 3 distinct waves of butthurt and bitter infighting aside from Pillars of Eternity? GOTY all years

 

[Ninjerk]

Kind Wayfarers are not like the templars, they are basically glorified tour guides.

If you do not want Kind Wayfarer anon then you should play Shieldbearer anon! You should! You should APPLY SELF anon! You should!

Please immolate yourself.

 

[Anonymous Wife Scholar]

Please immolate yourself.

No!

 

[Lyric Suite]

Kind Warfarers are faggots because they do not Deus Vult:

 

[Delterius]

Kind Wayfarers are not like the templars, they are basically glorified tour guides.

If you do not want Kind Wayfarer anon then you should play Shieldbearer anon! You should! You should APPLY SELF anon! You should!

Please immolate yourself.

valerie is an atheist so anon scholar can't be a paladin

 

[Orud]

Kind Wayfarers are Knights Hospitaller.

The Shieldbearers of St. Elcga are more in line with classic Paladins.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Protecting roads and travelers? You mean like pilgrims?

The object was not to help pilgrims because they were travelers, but because they were on their way to the sacred land (a symbol of a different kind of journey, as was Jerusalem itself a symbol of a different kind of "city", one not of this world).

The mission of the Templars was religious, not merely altruistic.