Total War: PHARAOH

[RobotSquirrel]

if that's not the biggest compliment to the manufacturer I don't know what is LOL. You made such a good prop that people thought it was the real deal.

 

[Hace El Oso]

Ahh, so the second one in my post is the actual one. Thank you for the correction, though it doesn’t change anything.

 

[IMPERIVM RECTVM]

Ahh, so the second one in my post is the actual one. Thank you for the correction, though it doesn’t change anything.

An hour ago you complained to Reina that she doesn't care about facial features. The replica looks almost nordic, the second one looks middle eastern-west asian.

 

[Dickie]

I've never seen a face that so perfectly captures how I feel first thing in the morning.

 

[Hace El Oso]

An hour ago you complained to Reina that she doesn't care about facial features. The replica looks almost nordic, the second one looks middle eastern-west asian.

Technically, I complained that she doesn’t in this case care to perceive a huge difference in skin color and facial features.

I recalled Ramses II having undergone scans and been digitally reconstructed, I couldn’t remember which photo was him. If I were, oh I don’t know, making a game set in ancient Egypt then I would probably make more of an effort than spending less than 60 seconds pulling up a couple demonstration photos to link in a thread.

 

[Elttharion]

This is the best pic I could find of the Egyptian national team, its from 2022.

These are some other pics I found:

They arent European white but they certainly are not black. They look much closer to the Middle Easterns or Levantine populations of antiquity and contemporary times. The Pharaoh in the trailer looks exactly how I would picture a mixed race (W+B) African American, especially one with a predominant African genetic makeup.

Its been a long time since I studied Ancient Egypt so some things might have changed but IIRC it was a consensus that the modern Egyptians are incredibly close genetically to their ancient counterparts. In fact I found that a 2017 study concluded that modern Egyptians have an aprox. 8% increase in African (IE Black) DNA compared to the ancient Egyptians, tho I didnt read the entire study and it could be outdated so I wont vouch for it.

 

[Gromoer]

You guys do realize the territory of ancient Egypt has been conquered by Arabs like thousands of years ago, right? I mean there‘s absolutely zero point in referring to the modern Egyptians in trying to establish how the ancient Egyptians looked like. But yeah, most likely semitic as well.

Actually the setting is interesting, there are so many things that could be utilized like the Old Testament and stuff. But apparently this may as well be a minefield to step on, given the modern religious sensibilities.

 

[Hace El Oso]

You guys do realize the territory of ancient Egypt has been conquered by Arabs like thousands of years ago, right? I mean there‘s absolutely zero point in referring to the modern Egyptians in trying to establish how the ancient Egyptians looked like. But yeah, most likely semitic as well.

Actually the setting is interesting, there are so many things that could be utilized like the Old Testament and stuff. But apparently this may as well be a minefield to step on, given the modern religious sensibilities.

If this was made 20+ years ago I can imagine the campaign having missions set in biblical events. That would have been pretty cool.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

You guys do realize the territory of ancient Egypt has been conquered by Arabs like thousands of years ago, right? I mean there‘s absolutely zero point in referring to the modern Egyptians in trying to establish how the ancient Egyptians looked like. But yeah, most likely semitic as well.

Actually the setting is interesting, there are so many things that could be utilized like the Old Testament and stuff. But apparently this may as well be a minefield to step on, given the modern religious sensibilities.

That was sort of the point I was making but as I discovered Arabs probably only made up a minority of their genetics, same with Greek and Macedonian being the most disruptive, And a very small minority of Roman, Genetically they should be fairly Kemetic with some minor variations rather than the other way around, this is where I got it around the wrong way.

The only reason I might have been a bit confused is there's an Egyptian in my Aunt's family (no genetic relation so We Wuzn't) and he honestly looks more Greek than Kemetic so his lineage probably goes back to Macedonian rule. There was probably some bias in my assumptions that I didn't reflect on until now.

 

[Higher Game]

Really enjoyed Troy, sounds like this is more bronze age goodness.

A bronze age collapse Total War where the objective is just to survive would be the best setting.

 

[Zeriel]

We wuz?!

 

[Tyrr]

 

[Lacrymas]

There are a bunch of battle gameplay videos on YouTube and it's Troy 2.0.

 

[Delterius]

 

[Spectacle]

Ya do know that the Egyptians were conqured by Persians and then Muslim empires, most of the kemetic traits have been replaced by middle eastern ones. There's several thousand years to consider.
I'm not saying you're wrong, more that its not that simple.

Genetic studies on mummies reveal that the genetic makeup of ancient Egyptians was pretty much the same as modern Egyptians. The muslim conquest was a cultural invasion, the descendants of the pharaos are still around.

 

[RobotSquirrel]

Genetic studies on mummies reveal that the genetic makeup of ancient Egyptians was pretty much the same as modern Egyptians. The muslim conquest was a cultural invasion, the descendants of the pharaos are still around.

Yeah I had to look it up to verify, you're indeed correct. I wasn't doubting that the decendants of the pharaohs were still around, just that their genetic traits had become mixed in with other dominant races in the region but it appears Kemetic genes were incredibly resilient.
Honest mistake on my part

 

[Frumentum]

Really enjoyed Troy, sounds like this is more bronze age goodness.

A bronze age collapse Total War where the objective is just to survive would be the best setting.

Yes, in this regard it will probably be like Attila in its focus.

 

[Lacrymas]

TL;DW - outposts are back and even more buffs to generals that will unbalance the battle gameplay 10 turns in.

 

[Storyfag]

Never played a Total War game.
I would consider playing Total War: RZECZPOSPOLITA.

Reasonably doable in Medieval 2.

 

[AdamReith]

Great vid by legendary TW purist Volound.

 

[Harthwain]

Never played a Total War game.
I would consider playing Total War: RZECZPOSPOLITA.

Reasonably doable in Medieval 2.

I thought Poland in Medieval (1 and 2) had dynastic kings and Rzeczpospolita was founded when they came up with the idea of elected kings (so it's essentially pike & shot era, not the medieval period)?

 

[Delterius]

pike & shot era

we'll never get pike and shot total war, its joever

 

[Konjad]

Looks really bad. Kinda like every game they've released since 2012. I bet it's going to come with even more overpriced, day-one DLC like every game made after Napoleon.

I totally disagree. Attila (2015) was great, probably the best TW game if we're not talking about mods. Three Kingdoms (2019) was also very good, it had the best diplomacy.

 

[Üstad]

I totally disagree. Attila (2015) was great, probably the best TW game if we're not talking about mods

Any total war game with gazillion DLCs and arbitrary limits (like mandatory generals in armies not allowing splitting troops, building slot limits etc) can't be best total war game. Until CA unfuck itself returns to its roots Medieval total war 2 and Rome Total war will stay ass best total war games. There is a reason these games are still played even after more than a decade despite much more modern total war games are avaible. These two games have amazing fundamentals and moddability, the latter covers up the badly aged aspects of the games.

 

[Raghar]

Christ, Codex and its obsession with skin colour. Take a look at, I don't know, Egyptian national football team

I think these might be quite close to original ancient Egypt skin color.

There wasn't football in 3000 BC. There were chariot races.