World of Darkness Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 from Hardsuit Labs

[Riddler]

Holy fuck guys. ten pages of this shit.

Better this than endless whine about SJWs.

 

[Prime Junta]

Better this than pathetic hand-wringing about SJWs.

Not a high bar to clear.

 

[Delterius]

Well more like your conviction in your belief in the nature of the world allows a person to access the god-like divine spark within them to override "reality" itself

If that is what is happening, then True Faith would be subject to the laws of consensus. And to Paradox. But neither is the case. Furthermore, Vampires can have True Faith even though their awakened souls are still fundamentally broken by the curse.

It cannot be true magic.

It has to be an interaction with a previously existing will that cannot be dissolved by the hermetics. IE, God's.

 

[J1M]

If the universe is consensus-based, then perhaps 'god' only exists as a result of said consensus.

 

[Black]

If the universe is consensus-based, then perhaps 'god' only exists as a result of said consensus.

But there's no or very little consensus on what this "god" actually is.

 

[J1M]

If the universe is consensus-based, then perhaps 'god' only exists as a result of said consensus.

But there's no or very little consensus on what this "god" actually is.

Explains why he doesn't do much.

 

[Vaarna_Aarne]

Well God does exist in the World of Darkness, even if it's not exactly the God of any particular Christian sect (since, you know, WoD's God is basically perennialist maximum), but IIRC there's literally only a single time in the entire official material (unless we count distant cosmology backstories) that God has *indirectly* interacted with the world in WoD, and both of those times are Gehenna scenarios (and basically just the usual White Wolf bullshit of players getting to watch their pet NPC do something important, both times involving Vampire Jesus Saulot).

Then there's Gaia, Weaver, and Wyrm which makes the whole thing a clusterfuck of confusion to hammer out. And that's before we get into Demon: The Fallen.

Well more like your conviction in your belief in the nature of the world allows a person to access the god-like divine spark within them to override "reality" itself

If that is what is happening, then True Faith would be subject to the laws of consensus. And to Paradox. But neither is the case. Furthermore, Vampires can have True Faith even though their awakened souls are still fundamentally broken by the curse.

It cannot be true magic.

It has to be an interaction with a previously existing will that cannot be dissolved by the hermetics. IE, God's.

Incorrect. True Faith is the same power (the divine spark) that causes consensus and Paradox, and that Mages can access through their Avatar, simply accessed directly and subconsciously through will alone.

God in World of Darkness is strictly non-interventionist to the extreme. Even the two only angels (that is, ones that aren't Lucifer, Earthbound or Fallen; Ebon Dragon and Scarlet Queen are in general kind of a good example in how God doesn't fall into any Christian sect's definition because they're Taoist) in the World of Darkness are basically a stay-behind solo act who are also mysterious and indirect full time. God does not grant True Faith, or any other power.

True Faith is not gained from taking a level in Cleric and having God give it to you, True Faith is wholly independent of God.

 

[Prime Junta]

As an aside I'm digging this thread. I originally came to RPG Codex for this kind of autism and it's been a long while since we've seen it.

Carry on, gentlemen. I will continue to follow with interest.

 

[Luckmann]

Holy fuck guys. ten pages of this shit.

Better this than endless whine about SJWs.

Well then, if we're in that mood, let me regale you with the archetypical characterizations of the various clans presented in V5, pulled straight from the Core Rulebook!

First up, Brujah! This is the traditional street-wear of the counter-cultural that are trying to blend in, anno 2019. From the Warriors of Troy to the Woken of Soy:

And then we have Gangrel, a collection for the discerning city-dweller that is in touch with their animal side:

Next up is Malkavians:

Followed by the nu-Sferatu, who we have discussed earlier. Nobody else can really capture that "hobo with a sewing kit" and "disheveled baglady" feel like the Sewer Rats:

Next up is Clan Tremere, also known as the soyomancers. Most famous for having invented a tofu substitute for blood in 2016, leading to the death of the patriarchy, they have managed to sink to levels of irrelevance previously thought impossible; they may be dead, but it doesn't mean their sense of fashion has to be:

Toreador. Just Toreador:

And last but not least, the princes of the Camarilla, the Blue-Bloods, the ever-traditional, ever rulers, Ventrue, ready to inspire loyalty:

The book then proceeds to throw away four fucking pages for Caitiff and Thin-Bloods as if they were real clans, rather than actually covering any of other clans, but it thankfully doesn't assault you with any more runway fashion. There is more, however. So, so, so much more. For example, this is how the writers of V5 think the archetypical "Scholar" looks:

There is so much more on how SJWs covered themselves in feces and hugged Vampire: The Masquerade.

Do not test me.

 

[pomenitul]

Huh, so implicit fat shaming isn't 'problematic' anymore.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

So having anything else than white males is SJW-ness now? Just when you think people can't stoop any lower, there's always a surprise.

 

[turkishronin]

Toreadors are cute

 

[pomenitul]

To be fair, these strike me as pseudo haute couture-y rather than SJW-y.

 

[Prime Junta]

I don't get it Luckmann. What exactly are you objecting to with that art?

 

[Cael]

I don't get it Luckmann. What exactly are you objecting to with that art?

That anyone would call it "art" would be a basic objection...

 

[Abu Antar]

 

[Neanderthal]

Holy fuck guys. ten pages of this shit.

Better this than endless whine about SJWs.

Well then, if we're in that mood, let me regale you with the archetypical characterizations of the various clans presented in V5, pulled straight from the Core Rulebook!

First up, Brujah! This is the traditional street-wear of the counter-cultural that are trying to blend in, anno 2019. From the Warriors of Troy to the Woken of Soy:

And then we have Gangrel, a collection for the discerning city-dweller that is in touch with their animal side:

Next up is Malkavians:

Followed by the nu-Sferatu, who we have discussed earlier. Nobody else can really capture that "hobo with a sewing kit" and "disheveled baglady" feel like the Sewer Rats:

Next up is Clan Tremere, also known as the soyomancers. Most famous for having invented a tofu substitute for blood in 2016, leading to the death of the patriarchy, they have managed to sink to levels of irrelevance previously thought impossible; they may be dead, but it doesn't mean their sense of fashion has to be:

Toreador. Just Toreador:

And last but not least, the princes of the Camarilla, the Blue-Bloods, the ever-traditional, ever rulers, Ventrue, ready to inspire loyalty:

The book then proceeds to throw away four fucking pages for Caitiff and Thin-Bloods as if they were real clans, rather than actually covering any of other clans, but it thankfully doesn't assault you with any more runway fashion. There is more, however. So, so, so much more. For example, this is how the writers of V5 think the archetypical "Scholar" looks:

There is so much more on how SJWs covered themselves in feces and hugged Vampire: The Masquerade.

Do not test me.

So all vampires have to dress like hipsters now? Pity, Kain would turn in his sarcophagus.

 

[pomenitul]

Those are hipsters now? Hmmm… I suppose this remains as accurate as ever:

 

[Prime Junta]

How did they get Josh to pose for that?

 

[Luckmann]

I don't get it Luckmann. What exactly are you objecting to with that art?

You mean aside from it being a parade of the ridiculous? Half of these people would be beaten with sticks if they left the house looking like this, whether by people, the police, or animal control, and the other half still looks like 8 gallons of cringe in a 5 ounce cup. If this is how you think people dress, especially when trying to uphold a masquerade by looking at least reasonably human, you've removed yourself completely from reality. This goes double if you consider that scholar as looking like a scholar.

It looks like some demented liberal arts student's fashion collage, and while they're not all abject horrors, I can count the ones that are OK on my one hand, and I'll even leave the thumb out just to make it easier.

I think my favorite piece of art is still what they did to Theo Bell, though - and that's without even discussing the absolute nonsense of him and the Brujah becoming Anarchs as he apparently collapsed inward upon himself in terms of being a reasonable character, but I guess it was simply impossible for them to have a black dude being based instead of woke:

Here's how Theo used to look, btw. I know it's beside the point of how they completely fucked up his character, but I think it's interesting how they turned him from this to a street rat that "desires no position of leadership". For some reason, that last part is the ultimate SocJust virtue signal. It's the same with Carna, and it just sounds so cringy, especially when stated as objective fact:

And don't get me started on Carna, the Tremere "patriarchy", and the power of menses.

You think I'm joking

I am not

 

[ZVERMIX]

From the dev diary:

We value our diversity of experience and the diversity of us as individuals; we know this brings more perspective to our work and company culture, and ultimately creates better games.

Brian, why have you forsaken us?

 

[Luckmann]

Those are hipsters now? Hmmm… I suppose this remains as accurate as ever:

I don't think the first three would consider eachother hipsters at all. There's a definite line there, and it started with the flannel shirt and banjo. Other than that, it's correct.

I don't get it Luckmann. What exactly are you objecting to with that art?

That anyone would call it "art" would be a basic objection...

Well some of it is art, maybe. Some of these artists probably aren't even that bad, but had to draw some really stupid shit based on feedback. It's kinda like the artists that worked for Numenera. Competent on their own, but forced into a box of incompetence and awful when paired with Monty Cuck.

Pity, Kain would turn in his sarcophagus.

Drive off a pier in his Taxi, more like it.

Toreadors are cute

Toreador are the only ones (mostly) that actually look (mostly) remotely appropriate, and that's only because they're, well, Toreador. Second from the right, upper row? Would smash.

 

[Prime Junta]

I don't think the first three would consider eachother hipsters at all.

Did you just out yourself as hipster #3?

 

[Sukhāvatī]

Well then, if we're in that mood, let me regale you with the archetypical characterizations of the various clans presented in V5, pulled straight from the Core Rulebook!

the nu-Sferatu, who we have discussed earlier. Nobody else can really capture that "hobo with a sewing kit" and "disheveled baglady" feel like the Sewer Rats:

flol

 

[Luckmann]

I don't think the first three would consider eachother hipsters at all.

Did you just out yourself as hipster #3?

That's just it, though. I'm not. I'm Hipster #1 or #2, at best. I wear basically nothing with a print.