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Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Camel

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Another reason that Ciaphas Cain is a chad is that he says no to xenos pussy.

He goes and fucks an inquisitor instead.

I think this is fanart and not official, but still, matches the book description more or less.

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I don't remember Amberley Vail having such impressive boobs.
 

Tyranicon

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Another reason that Ciaphas Cain is a chad is that he says no to xenos pussy.

He goes and fucks an inquisitor instead.

I think this is fanart and not official, but still, matches the book description more or less.

056c9fb73971638de39a5d584dd27a7e.jpg
I don't remember Amberley Vail having such impressive boobs.
IIRC, everytime she's in a bodyglove-type suit (like the above), she's described as well filled-out or something similar. Which I just assume is a classy way to say she got nice tits + ass.
 

Decado

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The "power level" of the average astartes is one of the most inconsistent details in 40k.

Gameplaywise on the tabletop, one space marine is worth a bunch of guardsmen. Okay, makes sense, since you don't want to have an army of only like 10 models (like custodes).

In the lore, they range from anywhere between being just a tall dude in power armor, to invincible demi-gods capable of conquering entire worlds by themselves.

But let's be logical about this. Setting aside how many John Wick skills an Astartes has, their standard equipment is: power armor and bolter.

How strong is power armor? Very strong. But still weaker than most vehicles, both in gameplay and in lore. Same with the bolter, your standard Rhino with twinlinked bolter already outguns the average space marine.

Any of the Tau battlesuits should, on the face of armor and weapons, be more than a match for a single astartes. Forget the source, but I remember Crisis suits being compared to terminator armor, except lighter and basically better in every way.

So how much of a resource cost is a battlesuit compared to the training and outfitting of a space marine? Presumably, much much cheaper.

So while the average firewarrior may have trouble downing a space marine, their mass produced gundam knockoffs definitely can. Astartes are not great in cost efficiency.

Their elite, grimdark badass meme status should not be taken at face value. It's like how their bolters don't have sights on them, the original bolters looking like they were made by somebody with no gun knowledge, and using something as impractical as a chainsword.

It's part of the satire.
Who cares if it is satire, Space Marines are fucking rad.
 

jf8350143

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Tried the Alpha and had no idea what I'm doing in the very first combat, all I know is the batter sister missed all of her shots and did nothing.

Not sure why they don't put a tutorial in the game.
 

Galdred

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IMO the Tau, nu-Necrons and possibly the nu-squats all don't really fit 40k.

The Tau are hilariously mismatched: they're anime japs in space, who can't do melee well for some reason (despite having the tech to rig something up easily). If you wanted the weeb audience, give em katanas and gundam swords.

Nu-Necrons are basically just Tomb Kings. Yeah, there are differences. No, they're not really significant (besides Tomb Kings being vastly cooler). And they retconned the C'tan into pokemon.

The Leagues are basically just.... Deep Rock Galatic? I read their lore and honestly, it's really bland. We don't have the character of the Fantasy Dwarfs, and the only possibly interesting thing is that their Ancestor Cores might be abominable intelligence left over from the dark age.

40k's best parts are all the human factions, whereas Fantasy has all the cool alien/monster races.

Orks, of course, remain cool in both.
Indeed, I wished they had stopped after Tyrannids.
Taus are just Eldars, but in anime form. Squats had the same issue as leagues, though. They were basically bikers with cool warmachines. Their Epic lineup was great, but their 40K one was cringy.

I don't understand why Necrons are not just the revolting machines from the dark age of Technology, instead of Tomb Knights in space.
 
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I don't understand why Necrons are not just the revolting machines from the dark age of Technology, instead of Tomb Knights in space.

They were originally the 40K version of SkyNet and Terminators who basically went into power saving mode after their users disappeared (ie C´tan losing the War in Heaven), but apparently people complained about them "lacking personality" or something (which really was their whole point) so some years back their lore got retconned and they became grumpy space Egyptians instead. TBH fam I blame some random marketing drones over at GW who thought this will increase sales.

Writting them as the Men of Iron or something like that would have been cool, but honestly if they were human creations from the Dark Age of Technology they would have to have a significantly lower power level than they have as creations of C´tan.
 

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It's a flanderization, that's what it is.
You give a faction Egyptian mortuary cult imagery mixed in with a bunch of other influences, and every cultureless git in the hobby is like "lol, they Tomb Kings!"
Yes, because as we all know, the Egyptians totally had a modern pop culture depiction of the Grim Reaper in their myths. :roll:
 

Trithne

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IMO the Tau, nu-Necrons and possibly the nu-squats all don't really fit 40k.

The Tau are hilariously mismatched: they're anime japs in space, who can't do melee well for some reason (despite having the tech to rig something up easily). If you wanted the weeb audience, give em katanas and gundam swords.

Nu-Necrons are basically just Tomb Kings. Yeah, there are differences. No, they're not really significant (besides Tomb Kings being vastly cooler). And they retconned the C'tan into pokemon.

The Leagues are basically just.... Deep Rock Galatic? I read their lore and honestly, it's really bland. We don't have the character of the Fantasy Dwarfs, and the only possibly interesting thing is that their Ancestor Cores might be abominable intelligence left over from the dark age.

40k's best parts are all the human factions, whereas Fantasy has all the cool alien/monster races.

Orks, of course, remain cool in both.
Indeed, I wished they had stopped after Tyrannids.
Taus are just Eldars, but in anime form. Squats had the same issue as leagues, though. They were basically bikers with cool warmachines. Their Epic lineup was great, but their 40K one was cringy.

I don't understand why Necrons are not just the revolting machines from the dark age of Technology, instead of Tomb Knights in space.
Personally, if I was in charge of rebooting the Squats back in 3rd edition when the Tau came out:

Squat Merchant Guilds. Scattered around the galaxy, tend to make sprawling asteroid bases. Unrelated to humanity, just co-incidental similarities as with Eldar. Believe in technology, guard it closely, but will always be down to make a deal. Fanatically keep track of any and all debts owed.

Same tech level as the Tau, similar playstyle, filling the "Not too mobile but not just a gunline because we already have the Imperial Guard" niche.
 

Harthwain

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Squat Merchant Guilds. Scattered around the galaxy, tend to make sprawling asteroid bases. Unrelated to humanity, just co-incidental similarities as with Eldar. Believe in technology, guard it closely, but will always be down to make a deal. Fanatically keep track of any and all debts owed.
Sounds a lot like Ferengi from Star Trek to me.
 

Trithne

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Squat Merchant Guilds. Scattered around the galaxy, tend to make sprawling asteroid bases. Unrelated to humanity, just co-incidental similarities as with Eldar. Believe in technology, guard it closely, but will always be down to make a deal. Fanatically keep track of any and all debts owed.
Sounds a lot like Ferengi from Star Trek to me.

Nihil novi sub sole. I was mostly just trying to translate Warhammer fantasy Dwarfs (grudges, mountain keeps) into 40k.
 

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Squat Merchant Guilds. Scattered around the galaxy, tend to make sprawling asteroid bases. Unrelated to humanity, just co-incidental similarities as with Eldar. Believe in technology, guard it closely, but will always be down to make a deal. Fanatically keep track of any and all debts owed.
Sounds a lot like Ferengi from Star Trek to me.
Nihil novi sub sole. I was mostly just trying to translate Warhammer fantasy Dwarfs (grudges, mountain keeps) into 40k.
Fair enough. Thing is, dwarves make more sense on high-gravity planets than on asteroids.
 
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Yes, because as we all know, the Egyptians totally had a modern pop culture depiction of the Grim Reaper in their myths. :roll:
Is this supposed to be thinly veiled sarcasm?
Yes? Which hieroglyph depicts the grim reaper, complete with scythe and cloak?

Definitely going to go with the sarcasm here.

Sure, there is a C´tan Nightbringer who likes to LARP as Grim Reapper. Than you also have current Necrons who are organised into dynasties with names like Sautekh, who are ruled by Phaerons named like Imotekh or Ahmontekh who are buried in pyramids where they are attended by specialist constructs called Canoptek machines... and I could go on.

The current Necrons literaly are and are meant to be space Egyptians and it doesnt matter that there is also a dude with scythe hanging our with them. This is a general approach that GW takes with a lot of factions, ie having them reflect a certain culture or historical faction with a bit of a twist - so you have Black Templars being Teutonic Knights in space even though the real Teutonic Knights didnt have chain swords and tanks.

As a paralel lets say you had a race whose rulers would be called Czars, would have names like Ivan Davidovch Fedorovekh, would live inside massive armored zemlyanka´s and drink a lot of hard alcohol. It would be fair to call them space Russians, wouldn’t you say?
 

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