Warhammer Warhammer 40,000: Rogue Trader Pre-Release Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[luj1]

The Pathfinder engine wasn't the best choice (visually) to represent this IP

This was a technological necessity for Owlcat

I don't get it, frankly. What does tech or engine got do with it? What stops them from using the same engine, but entirely different tiles / textures / etc?

I could buy economical reasons, or being artistically incompetent, but I just don't see the engine issue.

The engine isn't an unbeatable obstacle, you're right

but these lazy ruskies аint gonna bother with modifying the engine now lol and making new assets

Much easier to use Pathfinder assets, lighting engine, etc.

 

[luj1]

It takes time, money, and skill they don't have to adapt the Pathfinder engine to this IP and make new meshes/animations

If this is gonna look like Wh40k (actual grimdark, not grimderp), this game needs some work on color palette, lighting, gore, portraits, etc.

 

[Tyranicon]

Also looking forward to modders making this into Chapter Master 2.0. Do you get your hands on power armor in the Alpha? I hope it's OP as shit.

He's the best Warhammer 40k writer in my opinion. Added much needed humour and good writing to epicness on steroids and grimdark of the setting.

I'd say he's decent, but people kind of oversell him.

There are a few Black Library writers who are probably better "writers" in a technical/stylistic sense, but I'd say that the Cain series is one of the more memorable and consistent imo.

 

[Roguey]

Here is a much simpler answer, shill


The Pathfinder engine wasn't the best choice (visually) to represent this IP


Isn't God great?

One can plug any assets into Unity. Neither engine nor renderer has anything to do with their stylistic choices.

Anyway I'm pretty sure this stuff was posted/linked to earlier in this thread or one of the Rogue Trader newsposts https://warhammeradventures.com/

 

[Parsimonious cook]

LMAO, you can ask Pasqal to strip down for you so you can admire his bionics. No homo.

Anyway, as far as voidship mechanics go - you fly around on the map as we have already seen, there is also a separate map for the warp travel:

Once you enter a system, you can fly up to individual planets or other points of interest and scan them

Once you do that, you reveal points of interest on the planet and if you are equipped for it, you can mine resources.


You may encounter hostile ships too:

Combat works very much like in PnP, which I very much appreaciate:

Your party members fulfill the command positions on the ship (like in PnP) and are able to use various "ship skills." you maneuver the ship, manage shields and fire weapons. The mechanics are simple but elegant and faithfull to the PnP system. I got nothing to coplain about here.

In PnP players often shied away from ship combat, because repairing the ship was quite a pain in the ass. I guess the process will be a bit simplyfied here...

 

[luj1]

Here is a much simpler answer, shill


The Pathfinder engine wasn't the best choice (visually) to represent this IP


Isn't God great?

One can plug any assets into Unity. Neither engine nor renderer has anything to do with their stylistic choices.

What choices?

 

[jungl]

I never found warhammer 40k to be dark but rather its residents wired differently. They don't drink soy milk but take batman bane juice instead. They do not need gratitude to go about their lives Instead they shout for the emperor leap in the air and slam down a hammer on a 12 foot space cockroach.

 

[Camel]

LMAO, you can ask Pasqal to strip down for you so you can admire his bionics. No homo.

Anyway, as far as voidship mechanics go - you fly around on the map as we have already seen, there is also a separate map for the warp travel:View attachment 31398


Once you enter a system, you can fly up to individual planets or other points of interest and scan them
View attachment 31399

Once you do that, you reveal points of interest on the planet and if you are equipped for it, you can mine resources.


You may encounter hostile ships too:
View attachment 31400

Combat works very much like in PnP, which I very much appreaciate:



View attachment 31401

Your party members fulfill the command positions on the ship (like in PnP) and are able to use various "ship skills." you maneuver the ship, manage shields and fire weapons. The mechanics are simple but elegant and faithfull to the PnP system. I got nothing to coplain about here.

In PnP players often shied away from ship combat, because repairing the ship was quite a pain in the ass. I guess the process will be a bit simplyfied here...

This is where you'll spend half a game knowing Owlcat - ship management.

 

[CthuluIsSpy]

LMAO, you can ask Pasqal to strip down for you so you can admire his bionics. No homo.

Anyway, as far as voidship mechanics go - you fly around on the map as we have already seen, there is also a separate map for the warp travel:View attachment 31398


Once you enter a system, you can fly up to individual planets or other points of interest and scan them
View attachment 31399

Once you do that, you reveal points of interest on the planet and if you are equipped for it, you can mine resources.


You may encounter hostile ships too:
View attachment 31400

Combat works very much like in PnP, which I very much appreaciate:



View attachment 31401

Your party members fulfill the command positions on the ship (like in PnP) and are able to use various "ship skills." you maneuver the ship, manage shields and fire weapons. The mechanics are simple but elegant and faithfull to the PnP system. I got nothing to coplain about here.

In PnP players often shied away from ship combat, because repairing the ship was quite a pain in the ass. I guess the process will be a bit simplyfied here...

This is where you'll spend half a game knowing Owlcat - ship management.

Every time you upgrade your ship you have to spend 2 weeks doing nothing. During which time a bunch of events happen that fucks you over. Oh, and there's a time limit

Yeah, that mechanic in kingmaker sucked. I liked the concept, but bloody hell, that upgrade mechanic was stupid, as well as drastically limiting who you can have as an advisor.

 

[Fedora Master]

I warned you.

 

[luj1]

Every time you upgrade your ship you have to spend 2 weeks doing nothing. During which time a bunch of events happen that fucks you over. Oh, and there's a time limit

they pulled this shit in the first game too

imagine replacing traditional quest structure with automated time attacks

owlcat games are lazy, always butchering core RPG gameplay with shitty minigames because its easier

 

[Salvo]

Codexers will recommend you games from the 80s and shame you if you say they look outdated, but then spend 5 pages complaining about graphics

 

[ERYFKRAD]

Codexers will recommend you games from the 80s and shame you if you say they look outdated, but then spend 5 pages complaining about graphics

About to release game has no business looking outdated, paisan.
Also criticism is on artstyle, not graphics.

 

[luj1]

Graphics =/= art direction

People wouldn't care if this had Dawn of War 1 graphics, had it resembled Wh40k in tone and atmosphere

which it does not, because it has this sterile plastic look with warm palette

 

[Parsimonious cook]

Ayo niggas, I got some stuff to say about the space combat, after spending several hours doing just space battles.

Even though the systems involved are rather simplistic the actual combat is very tricky to master and requires much more thought to get right than I initially thought. The repairs of your ship are not as complicated as in PnP (you just use scrap that you collect as you play, you dont lose crew members nor does it waste ingame time), but even so you always want to minimise damage received. To do that you need to optimise your shields and make sure you maneuver in a way that doesnt expose the weakened shields to the enemy, as even small Raiders and Destroyers pack considerable punch.

The ship skills of your party members are highly useful for this, as they can for example identify weakspots of enemy ships (ie if you fire at the "weak" side of the ship, you do extra damage) or force the enemy ships to change their heading. Torpedoes are pretty neat as well - once launched they get their own turn to move (ie they act as another unit on the map and can be fired upon), you have two turns to get them on target, after that they selfdestruct. Some torps have AoE damage, so you dont need to hit directly, just get them close enough and detonate them.

Enemy ships have their own special abilities, for example some of the chaos ships can do tactical warp jumps while the perfidious space elves can block your ship skills for a while. Of course they have different playstyle and characteristics too (ie Eldar are glass cannons that spam torps and have limited firing arcs, while chaos ships are more versatile). I didnt see any strike craft in the game yet, hopefully they will be added too.

In any case, good shit. I really like the space combat, the battles are p. hard to get right and you shouldnt hesitate to try them multiple times to get the best results. This is genuine incline.

 

[Harthwain]

The space combat surely looks fine.

 

[luj1]

Looks barebone tbh

 

[Storyfag]

Dawn of War 1 graphics, had it resembled Wh40k in tone and atmosphere

Speaking of DoW1 atmosphere...



Grimdark, you say?

 

[Harthwain]

Grimdark, you say?

Orcs are one big comic relief.

 

[luj1]

It is grimdark you retard

 

[Storyfag]

It is grimdark you retard

I shall be henceforth naming my planz after ya.

 

[razvedchiki]

i remember a scene from either dark crusade or the second expansion where an orc boss was crying for "his beatifull orc camp" getting destroyed by the marines

 

[luj1]

i remember a scene from either dark crusade or the second expansion where an orc boss was crying for "his beatifull orc camp" getting destroyed by the marines

Yet that game feels 50x closer to Wh40k than this cartoon

jokes =/= visuals

But keep finding excuses for mediocre devs and getting fucked in return

 

[InD_ImaginE]

Need more spike and edge and shoulderpads

And need playable orkz. Who the fuck care about the emprah or empire. Gimme the boyz

 

[Peachcurl]

Need more spike and edge and shoulderpads

And need playable orkz. Who the fuck care about the emprah or empire. Gimme the boyz

Incredibly difficult to justify in W40k, unless it's a pure Orc campaign. This is not the 'docile' half-orcs from the forgotten realms.