Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 RELEASE THREAD

[Nerevar]

Oh no I've found the tranny. Oh no no no.

This is worse than SoD it's not just a normal tranny it is a "drag queen". You really hate to see it.

At the circus in Baldur's gate.

 

[Reinhardt]

They had the budget, the license, the staff, and made Neverwinter Nights 2.
Also current day Obsidian has more money than Larian, did you forget the Microsoft deal?

I'm not sure Microsoft would throw such money for additional staff in Obsidian. I believe the most of the bugdet in BG3 went to art. Maybe if Obsidian outsources art in Indonesia like Larian did. Other thing is the engine infrastructure powerful enough for such open interconnected worlds.

poe looked great, it was everything else that was shit.

 

[Strange Fellow]

The fact that other characters speak, emote, do stuff, while your PC just watches like a deaf mute is really bizarre.

The MC used to talk, they voiced everything in Act I. People complained, and it was removed.
Similarly, people complained when the Fallout 4 MC talked, and mods removed it to make him mute again.
Most people want a silent protagonist, to help immerse yourself into him.

Which makes it all the more stupid that you have a narrator who loves to tell you exactly how you feel about stuff you come across, and that the voices you can choose from are eight flavours of BBC newscaster. My 8 int half-orc brute graduated from Cambridge, you know.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Good grief. A bit of exploring in Moonrise leads to a MASSIVE loredump from a certain book.

 

[Steezus]

So i checked the steam forums and every other thread is people complaining about the gay sex shit.

Lmao they must have made it incredibly easy to trigger.

but HOW? make male character, take women party members, BINGO! NO GHEY SEGGS EVER!

Retards are gonna complain about ghey seggs and fail to see the real issue. All companions are so goddamn horny for no reason. Every unique dialog leads you to romance out of nowhere, you can't just have a normal conversation without them thinking you're down to fuck.

Just tell them to fuckoff once in first act, and they never bring it again lol

This is simply not true. I told Gale to fuck off early on in act 1 and he started hitting on me again at the start of act 2.

 

[whydoibother]

The fact that other characters speak, emote, do stuff, while your PC just watches like a deaf mute is really bizarre.

The MC used to talk, they voiced everything in Act I. People complained, and it was removed.
Similarly, people complained when the Fallout 4 MC talked, and mods removed it to make him mute again.
Most people want a silent protagonist, to help immerse yourself into him.

Which makes it all the more stupid that you have a narrator who loves to tell you exactly how you feel about stuff you come across, and that the voices you can choose from are eight flavours of BBC newscaster. My 8 int half-orc brute graduated from Cambridge, you know.

Tav is canonically a posh dandy, even if you picked the urchin background.

 

[AwesomeButton]

They had the budget, the license, the staff, and made Neverwinter Nights 2.
Also current day Obsidian has more money than Larian, did you forget the Microsoft deal?

I'm not sure Microsoft would throw such money for additional staff in Obsidian. I believe the most of the bugdet in BG3 went to art. Maybe if Obsidian outsources art in Indonesia like Larian did. Other thing is the engine infrastructure powerful enough for such open interconnected worlds.

What must really be depressing for an ex-game director at an RPG company is that, realistically speaking, Obsidian couldn't make BG3 if it were given the same technology and the same or larger budget.

The people aren't there, and the project managers, aka ~*producers*~ aren't there

Sawyer said it himself in his BG3 stream - "I don't see Obsidian making such kind of game any time soon"

 

[d1r]

It's just weird because the game does thrust a personality on you anyway. Not just through the Mr Bean style gurning and slack-jawing you do in cutscenes but also through the voiced lines you have when examining shit or giving commands. There's one early on where if you kill the injured Mindflayer, your character says some shit like "death was too good for him". What the fuck? I'll decide whether or not I think that.

I'm guessing the voiced incidental lines are another thing that's there just because they were there in older games.

Given that they don't really give you a massive range in the beliefs you can express and the tones you can take in dialogue, it'd be way better if they had just voiced all the PC's dialogue in a fairly neutral tone, maybe adding a bit more inflection on lines with very obvious intents.

Nah, they should have completely removed voiced dialogue from the PC, and should have instead given us just custom voice support and generic command or battle chitchat like in the older games. Problem solved. Immersion restored.

 

[Lemming42]

Even with no voice it'd be weird because a lot of the cutscenes require your character to do all kinds of cinematic movie-like shit, during which all logic and reason suggests they should be speaking. I have no idea why Larian thought it'd be a good compromise to have the character not speak but instead pull all kinds of wacky Wallace-and-Gromit-ass faces while shit's happening but it definitely makes you look like someone who chewed through their restraints and got loose from an asylum.

 

[whydoibother]

Sawyer said it himself in his BG3 stream - "I don't see Obsidian making such kind of game any time soon"

Nobody would see Larian making such kind of game either. Remind yourself that Swen basically went all in, opened new studios in Canada, Ireland, Russia, Indonesia, expanded the company by 500% or something, for this game. Even bought a new huge house to function as an office building, which promptly started to flood and the parking lot to sink.

The fact is, the people at Obsidian would NOT go all in like that. There isn't a person at Obsidian who'd gamble everything, they all have scars from Black Isle, from Troika, from various other cancellations. No Prometheus there.

 

[Tyranicon]

There's a fair amount of bugs in Act 3. Things are triggering all over the place that I haven't done. Also Shadowtits is being neurotic and switching her appearance every other time we're in camp and I don't even have any mods installed.

Then again, she is a woman. Hmmm.

I just wish she would settle on the vastly more attractive version of her hairstyle.

How big is Baldurs Gate?

Still haven't gotten to the actual city, there's a fair amount of story and reveals and yada yada, le epic stakes in the way.

I'm like goddamn I just want to buy some shit and drink some beer at a tavern, you assholes.

 

[duskvile]

What must really be depressing for an ex-game director at an RPG company is that, realistically speaking, Obsidian couldn't make BG3 if it were given the same technology and the same or larger budget.

Sawyer said it himself in his BG3 stream - "I don't see Obsidian making such kind of game any time soon"

It's the budget thing for it would be a larger margin in question. Obsidian doesn't have a multiplayer/co-op staff, nor art department big enough only if outsources it.

 

[AwesomeButton]

The fact is, the people at Obsidian would NOT go all in like that. There isn't a person at Obsidian who'd gamble everything, they all have scars from Black Isle, from Troika, from various other cancellations. No Prometheus there

It doesn't matter if they do or not. That's what I wrote above -- even with an infinite money cheat which they have now, even if given the same engine, they are creatively and organisationally incapable of delivering a comparable project.

 

[gurugeorge]

Not going good with Josh retweeting this

What the fuck does that even mean?

I think it's a bit of a catty comment about how Larian have been making the same game over and over again for decades and have finally gotten good at it

 

[Lyric Suite]

So i checked the steam forums and every other thread is people complaining about the gay sex shit.

Lmao they must have made it incredibly easy to trigger.

but HOW? make male character, take women party members, BINGO! NO GHEY SEGGS EVER!

Retards are gonna complain about ghey seggs and fail to see the real issue. All companions are so goddamn horny for no reason. Every unique dialog leads you to romance out of nowhere, you can't just have a normal conversation without them thinking you're down to fuck.

I was going to say this as well.

If you are playing a female character, and all the male NPCs just hit on you randomly with no lead up in a patently suggestive way, wouldn't have be sexual harassement? Or is it ok because all the male guys are Chads or something?

 

[Reinhardt]

i can't decide... not killing gobbos feels wrong, but i want to watch gnome fly...

 

[Sunri]

So i checked the steam forums and every other thread is people complaining about the gay sex shit.

Lmao they must have made it incredibly easy to trigger.

but HOW? make male character, take women party members, BINGO! NO GHEY SEGGS EVER!

Retards are gonna complain about ghey seggs and fail to see the real issue. All companions are so goddamn horny for no reason. Every unique dialog leads you to romance out of nowhere, you can't just have a normal conversation without them thinking you're down to fuck.

Just tell them to fuckoff once in first act, and they never bring it again lol

This is simply not true. I told Gale to fuck off early on in act 1 and he started hitting on me again at the start of act 2.

weird because i told him during magic learning event that I'm not interested, same with will during dance event and all other rapist npcs and they never triggered again

 

[AwesomeButton]

The fact is, the people at Obsidian would NOT go all in like that. There isn't a person at Obsidian who'd gamble everything, they all have scars from Black Isle, from Troika, from various other cancellations. No Prometheus there

It doesn't matter if they do or not. That's what I wrote above -- even with an infinite money cheat which they have now, even if given the same engine, they are creatively and organisationally incapable of delivering a comparable project.

You can iterate a technology, iterate the same game over and over, but if you've lost the human capital, you can't get that back. And if you've lost it, then whose responsibility is that?

That's why I say it must be depressive to think about from the position of someone who spent all this time at this company and saw all those people leave.

I'd put the fault with Feargus and the owners, but maybe Josh has his share too. Who knows.

 

[Swen]

It means Josh and most other devs are too lazy/incompetent to also make a game like BG3, elden ring,...

Obsidian could make a game like BG3 but doesn't have the budget since game development in Belgium and California isn't the same. Also Larian is like 5 times bigger than Obsidian.

Larian opened up mutiple studios in different countries with a much lower budget than Obisdian backed by MS.

Weak excuses from Josh

 

[AwesomeButton]

It means Josh and most other devs are too lazy/incompetent to also make a game like BG3, elden ring,...

Obsidian could make a game like BG3 but doesn't have the budget since game development in Belgium and California isn't the same. Also Larian is like 5 times bigger than Obsidian.

Larian opened up mutiple studios in different countries with a much lower budget than Obisdian backed by MS.

Weak excuses from Josh

To be fair, Josh hasn't said anything on the subject, just retweeted.

 

[Lyric Suite]

So i checked the steam forums and every other thread is people complaining about the gay sex shit.

Lmao they must have made it incredibly easy to trigger.

but HOW? make male character, take women party members, BINGO! NO GHEY SEGGS EVER!

Retards are gonna complain about ghey seggs and fail to see the real issue. All companions are so goddamn horny for no reason. Every unique dialog leads you to romance out of nowhere, you can't just have a normal conversation without them thinking you're down to fuck.

Just tell them to fuckoff once in first act, and they never bring it again lol

This is simply not true. I told Gale to fuck off early on in act 1 and he started hitting on me again at the start of act 2.

weird because i told him during magic learning event that I'm not interested, same with will during dance event and all other rapist npcs and they never triggered again

That's missing the point. The very fact they made the advance unmprompted is enough to spoil the rest of the game if you are all trying to RP or get immersed in the story.

Imagine if Kelrdon in BG2 tried to fuck you early on. Even if he would shut up about it now you have to live with the knowledge this father figure noble Paladin is a fucking perverted homo.

 

[Reinhardt]

fuck, i roared and they fled...

 

[Swen]

Great post, hope Josh sees it

 

[Steezus]

weird because i told him during magic learning event that I'm not interested, same with will during dance event and all other rapist npcs and they never triggered again

This is where I told him to fuck off and he brought it up again at the start of act 2 after the first major story sequence.

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Lyric Suite is 100% correct, this shit is sexual harrasment lmaoooo.

So far the game is really good, but I just hate the romance shit. Romances being the lowest tier content in RPGs is nothing new but BG3 is reaching a new low. Should they do a sequel, I just hope they do away with every companion being romanceable by every gender. For one they feel much more one-dimensional if they just wanna fuck you no matter what and b) I miss bro companions like Alistair or Eder.

 

[Non-Edgy Gamer]

Even with no voice it'd be weird because a lot of the cutscenes require your character to do all kinds of cinematic movie-like shit, during which all logic and reason suggests they should be speaking. I have no idea why Larian thought it'd be a good compromise to have the character not speak but instead pull all kinds of wacky Wallace-and-Gromit-ass faces while shit's happening but it definitely makes you look like someone who chewed through their restraints and got loose from an asylum.

In fairness, this is classic cinematic CRPG design. Bloodlines did the same thing. Mass Effect and KOTOR were a little better at using it, but they did it too. Dragon Age as well.

It's still dumb though.