Divinity Divinity: Original Sin - Enhanced Edition

[Aenra]

Jeesus fucking christ Lacrymas ,i just told you what their logic is
You don't have to like it, but wondering -what- is their logic when you've just been told..
You also don't have to like the outcome (game in its totality) but then again, might be what they were after is not what you would have liked them to be after. Comprende? If you have played the dragon sagas and commander games and have somehow still failed to comprehend they are not into 101% old school.. i won't draw you pictures ^^

edit: Will stop here, all cease fire. If you still don't get it, whoever you are, you never shall. If your preferences are different, all well once again.

 

[Lacrymas]

Aenra It's not about old school vs new school. It's about design decisions that are counter to the genre. They are watering down the game for some perceived benefit that has no ground. They are trying to mainstreamise a TB RPG while "mainstream TB RPG" is an oxymoron. That is what I don't get. What their arguments for mainstreamising the game are. That's like trying to mainstreamise roguelikes or city builders. You end up with no crowd at all. We don't even know how console droolies will react to the game with no VA or no kiddy-colored items.

Actually this whole console endeavor has some questionable basis and logic. "More money/fans" isn't an argument, it's the end result they are trying to achieve.

 

[Zeriel]

Lacrymas, I think you are seeing what you want to see. Every Larian game since Divine Divinity (2002) has had Diablo style loot. I don't like it either, but it's inaccurate to say that it represents some newfangled "dumbing down" they committed to in order to get more mainstream sales.

 

[Lacrymas]

Lacrymas, I think you are seeing what you want to see. Every Larian game since Divine Divinity (2002) has had Diablo style loot. I don't like it either, but it's inaccurate to say that it represents some newfangled "dumbing down" they committed to in order to get more mainstream sales.

I'm not talking only about that, though they have done that shit forever. I'm saying their priorities are skewed - going to consoles, VA, wands etc, instead of fixing valid complaints on the PC first. That means they are putting mainstreamising above everything else and their efforts related to that have nonsensical logic.

 

[Zeriel]

Wands are "mainstreamising"? Now I've heard everything.

 

[SCO]

Sorry about your delusion, but larian was never the pure crpg messiah you wanted them to be.

 

[Lacrymas]

Yes, let's make stupid, disconnected, not-thought-out decisions because we aren't the cRPG Messiah, great logic. D:OS2 will turn out great.

 

[V_K]

I hate to say it but judging from the trailers it seems that the consoles got a much better UI for this game. Any way to mod it into the PC version?

 

[Zeriel]

I hate to say it but judging from the trailers it seems that the consoles got a much better UI for this game. Any way to mod it into the PC version?

Plug a controller in.

 

[Roguey]

Who told you a mob having multiple teleports is a bug? Use your CC and never let him cast at all, or die and reroll on a lower difficulty. Do we seriously have people here not only complaining about difficulty, but actually mistaking it for a bug???

Things that make it likely to be a bug:

1) it's an extreme difficulty spike in an early game area
2) it's completely counter to the rules that govern you

I don't recall enemies being able to spam the same ability in a single turn in original D:OS. I never installed the editor, so I can't open it up to see if enemies are built using the same rules as your characters. Someone please do that.

Edit: Never mind, I found http://www.divinityoriginalsin.com/modding/CreatingCombat.doc

frequency and frequencyStartAt : if these are both set to 0, the AI will adhere to cooldowns and will try to use this skill whenever it is possible. However, if you want to, you can override this. For instance, if you want a character to cast a Fireball in the fifth round, you set frequency to 5 and leave frequencyStartAt at 0. This will start a counter at 0 and will only allow the AI to use this script when the counter has reached 5. After the script has been executed, it will take 5 rounds again before it can be used.

So they either deliberately or accidentally set that to 0. Regardless, they're still supposed to "adhere to cooldowns" and even with 20 intelligence, teleport is supposed to have a cooldown of two turns (and even feather drop has a cooldown of 1 so you can only use it once per turn), so yeah, something's wrong.

 

[Zeriel]

The reason I don't think it is intended is that it is a minor summoned minion that does this, a minor summoned minion that is not at all threatening in any other case. And on top of that... it probably is an error with game logic because it only chains teleports if there is lava nearby, which stinks of "we quickly wrote a script" issues. I remember there was something similar with Hearthstone's AI where it would always do X if Y, even if that X was the dumbest thing possible. Only in this case it always casts teleport regardless of cooldown if there's lava nearby.

 

[Lacrymas]

If it isn't a bug then that breaks a fundamental principle of good AI - that it shouldn't cheat or break the rules of the game.

 

[SniperHF]

So they either deliberately or accidentally set that to 0. Regardless, they're still supposed to "adhere to cooldowns" and even with 20 intelligence, teleport is supposed to have a cooldown of two turns (and even feather drop has a cooldown of 1 so you can only use it once per turn), so yeah, something's wrong.

That flag is (well was in the original version) broken as fuck.

Got nothing on the cooldown thing though.

Actually this whole console endeavor has some questionable basis and logic. "More money/fans" isn't an argument, it's the end result they are trying to achieve.

My guess on the logic was always this: Hey these Focus guys are going to pay for all the VA/Console cert crap, what the hell let's do it. They were clearly always down with the consoles/controller situation but a lot of the fluff was essentially paid for with the credibility gained from the PC version.

Focus paid for the really expensive stuff, Larian was already working on a serious patch, and EE's are good marketing.

Remember they were supposedly already working on the HC patch before it became the EE.

 

[a Goat]

WHAT THEY REPLACED THE CHEESE VENDOR VA?? WHAT DOES HE SAY NOW?

He says the same, but has lower voice and is less enthusiastic.

but still want epicz because WoW haz l33t epicz and i don't craft there m8

WoW crafting gave pretty good items actually. From my TBC memory - engineer had very good 70 lvl gun with gemslots, perfect for warriors protection because it gave stamina and allowed for pumping defence rating through yellow gems, still worthwhile for hunters I recall. On top of googles which were easily on tier 4(the lowest raid tier) level good. Then you've had Leatherworking, blacksmith and tailor giving you good items, perfect for gearing up after hitting the max level etc.

By comparison, in Divinity, crafted stuff is much worse than ordinary(white) items you can find, on low-level that is.

Larian cares about issues they can easily fix. If they would want to fix actual issues the game had(story) huge part of it would have to be reworked, way too huge for what they care.

 

[Zeriel]

D:OS crafting is more about enhancing items you already have than crafting brand new ones. People who don't put points in crafting skill for tormented souls/essence combining are missing out.

 

[Lacrymas]

Focus paid for the really expensive stuff, Larian was already working on a serious patch, and EE's are good marketing.

Ah, I didn't know this. It makes more sense now :p

 

[Aenra]

Roguey as always, your posts are AAA (hihi) when you can actually be bothered.
Am not going to nitpick, is it or isn't it scripted not to adhere to CDs just for this occasion, happy to accept it's a bug. Even though someone could well claim the matters is still open, no, say i stand corrected. It's a bug.

Now which part of my original post does that change? ^^
Can we or can we not get past it with relative ease? Because even i, and i will be the first to claim i'm adequate at best, can do so just fine

 

[Zeriel]

I think you were just assuming I was complaining about difficulty when it really is a bizarre bug. However, Iron man is a strange beast in RPGs where the only way for designers to challenge players is often to put one-shot death traps in. I don't think that's ever going to be solved, and honor mode is probably best left for second playthroughs. You can find most encounters trivial and/or easy and still run into moments where your entire party just vaporizes.

 

[Kem0sabe]

The EE will not change the mind of anyone who disliked the original game, the same problems permeate the game, the writing, the difficulty, the Ui, the camera, none of those were improved noticeably.

 

[aleph]

The EE will not change the mind of anyone who disliked the original game, the same problems permeate the game, the writing, the difficulty, the Ui, the camera, none of those were improved noticeably.

Who plays Larian games for the writing, though?

 

[RK47]

honor mode is probably best left for second playthroughs.

It's not really recommended going in blind since some encounters are not very generous when it comes to mistakes.

 

[prodigydancer]

OK, I decided to give the EE a try. Just got to Cyseal, no deaths so far. Heals are a must, one point in Geomancer (for spider) is still a great investment. As far as starting equipment goes, Inquisitor wands are totally OP. The one with air damage basically gives you two ranged stuns per turn without any cooldown. Fireball charges are also useful.

Was the maximum camera zoom distance always so limited? Because I don't recall vanilla feeling so claustrophobic.

 

[hell bovine]

The EE will not change the mind of anyone who disliked the original game, the same problems permeate the game, the writing, the difficulty, the Ui, the camera, none of those were improved noticeably.

That's because there is no way to speed up combat animations. You can click through dialogues without reading, avoid crafting, but you are still stuck at watching the same slow-motion animations again and again. Turn based combat is by definition slow, there is absolutely no reason to make it slower. It's like playing a chess game, where all the figures need to do a little dance before they can move. (and I hate chess with a passion)

 

[Lacrymas]

Like I've consistently been saying, this game needs a little more thought put into it. It's not a bad game in any sense of the word, but it has some nonsensical decisions and unskillfully-made elements (writing) that are pushing it down. Consolizing the whole thing doesn't fix these issues. Like Kem0sabe said, the EE won't change anyone's mind.

 

[cvv]

Got myself a problem. Lost a quest item (the Reveal spell scroll), probably mistook it for some trash scroll and dropped it but can't find it to save my life. Been running around Cyseal for good 2 hours now. Is there any way to cheat it back into my inventory? Coz I really can't remember where I dropped that motherfucker.