Dragon Age Dragon Age: The Veilguard Thread

[Spukrian]

Hmm...?

Twitch embedding doesn't seem to work so here's a link instead.

As an aside, Swedish has two grammatical genders, Common and Neutral. Common includes both masculine and feminine. The funny thing is that Swedish has had a gender-neutral pronoun (den) for a very long time but still they had to add this new "hen" pronoun.

 

[Xorazm]

It only just now occurred to me the irony of the infamous barve scene, because this game is deadnaming by calling itself an RPG.

Anyway, Dunkey doing his thing with the game. Got a kick out of it because he cracked up in sheer bewilderment at the same moments I did:



Also, this is certainly interesting, glancing over at /r/dragonage:

Submission:

>As someone who is NB I cried… not in a good way

>Of course I want representation, all I have ever wanted in my life is to feel normal. I wanted to feel like there was nothing wrong with me. But Taash’s storyline was so poorly executed, I am so deeply disappointed in BioWare for letting our community down like this. I was so disappointed I actually cried.

Top comment:

>In Inquisition, there was a specific Qunari term made up to refer to Trans people. While i'm not convinced with everything Krem said in Inquisition like not using magic to change gender, at the end of the day It was optional to ask about it to him.

>But here, they just throw it in our face and give us no agency over it. Even if they force us to experience that quest, the least they could do is make it immersive and make the character express how they actually feel. Not just say "I can be whoever i want and you are supposed to accept that", If you misgender me you should punish yourself with physical exercise". It comes across as forced statement with nothing backing it up and ofc people will hate that.

>I can only hope none of this forced representation is in the next Mass Effect.

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Man, if they're losing these people, I genuinely wonder who they're going to have left.

 

[Reinhardt]

Man, if they're losing these people

they are not. trannies already prepared to slurp next product.

I can only hope none of this forced representation is in the next Mass Effect.

 

[Taxnomore]

I'm quite sure there is a big proportion of trans people who just want to be treated as normal as possible and who see this entire bullshit as absolutely retarded.

 

[cvv]

Anyway, Dunkey doing his thing with the game

Very low-effort, low-energy video for his standards. Just like the game I guess.

 

[Camel]

I'm quite sure there is a big proportion of trans people who just want to be treated as normal as possible and who see this entire bullshit as absolutely retarded.

41% of trannies.

 

[Harthwain]

Anyway, Dunkey doing his thing with the game

Very low-effort, low-energy video for his standards. Just like the game I guess.

The poor vocabulary of the game shows. I mean, if they have to keep repeating the same word over and over again, instead of consulting a dictionary for some synonyms... I remember breaking out my dictionary to check for words when playing Soul Reaver.

 

[AwesomeButton]

The more entries this franchise gets the more I think the universe was inherently limited from the get-go. The conflicts it set up had obvious end points. Caste system of the dwarves ends in abolishing the castes. Tevinter slavery and blood magic ends in abolishing those. Templar vs mages ends with freedom for mages. The whole qunari situation was just a way to show how religious extremism is bad. None of these had nuanced takes, not really, even the qunari problem, so there was nowhere to go from a contemporary perspective.

The mages vs templars conflict is an allegory of gun control. But it was done poorly by BioWare. Players overwhelmingly sided with the mages in DA:O so the devs made both sides evil and crazy in DA2. Qunari were portrayed as the Ottoman empire and Sten has pretty based views, questioning why the Grey Warden is a woman. BioWare lost the plot and made Qunari progressive and tolerant who embrace trannies instead of being religious zealots.

Even if someone from Bioware claimed that mages vs templars was about gun control, it is far enough removed from it that it can be generalized and a parallel drawn with other political conflicts. Abstract ideals of "restraint" and "liberality" run through many of the divisions of today's world such as economy, sexuality, individual and group rights etc.

Nonsense, it was about gay rignts, not gun control.

 

[Konjad]

Even redditors aren't having fun guys

That subreddit... BG3 fans aren't really any better than Veilguard ones...

 

[thesheeep]

I'm quite sure there is a big proportion of trans people who just want to be treated as normal as possible and who see this entire bullshit as absolutely retarded.

At least most of those that I know personally (which is obviously a small number and anecdotal but still).
It is the usual case of extremist nutjobs ruining it for all the rest.

Anyway, that preachy blabla isn't even the game's worst shortcoming.
That level design and the godawful writing - the worst kind of self-insertionist slop where everyone talks in modern lingo in a fantasy game, and within that pile of dung it is even worse than many small-time dev games I played.
The discrepancy between the game's best parts and worst parts are baffling, really. No surprise the game did not sell anywhere near what they were hoping for (not even 1/10th of players on launch that Hogwarts Legacy had).

 

[Larianshill]

Looks like it won't beat DOS2 after all. Swen wins.

 

[cvv]

Oh yeah, modern Americans thinking cRPG means isometric RPG.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Why even subject yourself to this by continuing instead of dropping it?

Why are we constantly touching an aching tooth with our tongues, knowing touching it will bring pain?
I will complete it out of respect for Origins, just to complete it and forget about it.

Find yourself a dentist woman.

 

[Axel_am]

I'm watching SingSing play this the past days while doing other stuff on the PC. His rating of the game is slowly going down and I'm not even sure what I'm watching at this point. The whole thing looks more like a single player MMO rather than a RPG.

His build is some bald shield and sword dwarf that throws grenades and flames spears at his enemies. It's kinda funny how fast the little dwarf throws his grenades in the face of his enemies. He does it so fast between sword hits that it really makes me wonder what kind of expertise would one have to have in real life in order to throw grenades so fast and so accurate. He's calling his character General Iroh "The Dragon of The West". Fun times.

What I find even more hilarious is that as of now he has 2 mage companions that can both cast AoE slow time. So in short most of his fights are being completed while everything is super slowed. He has been doing that since the beginning of the game since for some reason slow time seems to be an early tier spell. He's also been going around the map throwing his shield Captain America style and doing some pixel hunting puzzles.

This has nothing to do with Dragon Age. Is this a return to form? What form? Return to what exactly? This is even more away from Dragon Age than Inquisition was. Hopefully, some other studio realises that and makes an actual sequel to Origins. Or at least something that comes close to it. The thing is that the newer Dragon Age games have nothing to do with Dragon Age at all. Just using the IP like this makes me roll my eyes and look at BioWare... well it makes me not want to look at BioWare. What a bunch of fucking posers. Riding the glory of olden days trying to convince people they actually have some vision for the stories and games they are making.

 

[Asymptotics]

Looks like it won't beat DOS2 after all. Swen wins.

Swen wins by default by not being a tranny.

 

[LizardWizard]

Never played DA2, nor will I ever play this shitshow.

Keep losing.

 

[Reinhardt]

Oh yeah, modern Americans thinking cRPG means isometric RPG.

when in reality it means tb blobber

 

[Asymptotics]

Even redditors aren't having fun guys

That subreddit... BG3 fans aren't really any better than Veilguard ones...

Why are you on that subreddit? Did the 900606069420 posts containing fan art of niggers giving blowjobs to tranny gay elf vampires not give you an indication that there's no semblance of intelligence to be found there? Baldur's Gate 3 is a cRPG, that means that anything that doesn't look like BG3 is not a cRPG - that's how far these people think. Stop wasting your time in that cesspit.

 

[Lacrymas]

Nonsense, it was about gay rignts, not gun control.

That's true, Bioware just didn't realize that gays can't shoot lightning out of their fingers.

 

[Harthwain]

That subreddit... BG3 fans aren't really any better than Veilguard ones...

This is interesting, because "3D action games and action RPG's with immersive sim elements" not being seen as RPGs is actually a stance you can see in some posts on the Codex.

The whole thing looks more like a single player MMO rather than a RPG.

Sounds like Inquisition 2.0 to me all right.

 

[Larianshill]

This is interesting, because "3D action games and action RPG's with immersive sim elements" not being seen as RPGs is actually a stance you can see in some posts on the Codex.

What is an RPG?

 

[gurugeorge]

Came across this YT vid by a spergy female (and fairly based) researcher, Aydin Paladin:



The vid's long and she goes into an extremely autistic level of detail, but the gist of it is that the claims of the benefits of representayshun in videogames just aren't borne out by the research, and in fact if anything the opposite holds (it's psychologically more "healing" to play idealized characters, which is what both males and females do naturally, which ties in with another bit of research that's been doing the rounds recently re. females preferring idealized characters).

So yeah it's bollocks, and as always the issue is never the issue, it's just for the rubes and useful idiot/true believer rank-and-file.

Basically the manufacture of Product is no longer, properly speaking, a capitalist enterprise focused on profit, but a social engineering drive by the new ruling class, the managerial class.

Weak men (think of Kier Starmer), spiteful mutants, troon nerds, etc. I would say, kind of a slight return of the Brahmin/priestly class - almost, one might say, a kind of Adeptus Mechanicus class (if one thinks of the programmer/tech giant aspect of it) - whereas we had the merchant class (capitalists proper) for a few hundred years befor that, and the warrior class (kingship/aristocracy) for a few hundreds of years before that. (As an aside, while of course as a Nazi I would say that the JQ is what's a the root of it all, even if one doesn't want to get into the JQ aspect of it, one can discuss the current societal situation on this more neutral ground of Frank Burnham's idea of a new mangerial elite as the new ruling class, and still capture some important aspects of all this stuff in discussion.)

So again, one is led to wonder, is there a breaking point somewhere, where the outgoing capitalistic prerogatives (e.g. profit) still have some clout over the incoming managerial prerogatives (social engineering)? Or are the purveyors of woke Product just going to be bailed out for as long a it takes to make woke Product the only thing available?

It's being pushed and paid for as social engineering - as Larry Fink said in 2017, the behaviours they want "have to be forced" - and they're willing to spend untold resources on forcing them. But again, one wonders if there is a limit somewhere, especially if it's seen that the social engineering isn't "sticking" and they'd be throwing good money after bad.

 

[Reinhardt]

This is interesting, because "3D action games and action RPG's with immersive sim elements" not being seen as RPGs is actually a stance you can see in some posts on the Codex.

What is an RPG?

it's a woman.

 

[AwesomeButton]

Nonsense, it was about gay rignts, not gun control.

That's true, Bioware just didn't realize that gays can't shoot lightning out of their fingers.

Anders was such an obvious homo, as personality goes, even I who am notoriously incapable of sensing gay people was 100% clear on it.

 

[Brickfrog]

Tbh I always assumed people use "crpg" to refer specifically to party-based isometric RPGs. If it encompasses any PC game with "dialogue, combat, leveling, items, and other RPG elements" then wouldn't it include stuff like FFXVI? One could argue Steamworld Heist 2 is a crpg under that rubric.

Even Dragon Ball Z: Sparking Zero checks all of those boxes if you count the player leveling system as "leveling."