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Return To Monkey Island - MI2 sequel from Ron Gilbert

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Actually, you know... I could almost tolerate this style. But the fact that Guybrush has a penis instead of a nose is really over the top. What idiocy to paint the tip of his nose pink! I hope there will be a fan patch at least for Guybrush's nose depenisication. Otherwise, the game goes into the category of not just ugly, but unplayable.
 

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Actually, you know... I could almost tolerate this style. But the fact that Guybrush has a penis instead of a nose is really over the top. What idiocy to paint the tip of his nose pink! I hope there will be a fan patch at least for Guybrush's nose depenisication. Otherwise, the game goes into the category of not just ugly, but unplayable.
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Good job, retro-fascists. You ruined everyone's fun!

https://kotaku.com/return-monkey-island-ron-gilbert-art-style-angry-fans-1849128586

Monkey Island Creator Ron Gilbert Has Joy Sapped From Sequel Thanks To Awful People​


https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/30/23189707/ron-gilbert-return-to-monkey-island-online-abuse

Ron Gilbert won’t post about the new Monkey Island anymore following online abuse​


https://www.ign.com/articles/return-to-monkey-island-director-online-abuse

Return to Monkey Island Director Will No Longer Post About the Game Due to Online Abuse​


https://www.polygon.com/23189602/re...on-gilbert-art-style-guybrush-threepwood-blog

Ron Gilbert won’t share any more about Return to Monkey Island after art style complaints​


https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ro...to-talk-about-return-to-monkey-island-anymore

Ron Gilbert doesn’t want to talk about Return To Monkey Island anymore​


https://www.gamespot.com/articles/h...rn-to-monkey-island-on-his-blog/1100-6505006/

Harassment Means Ron Gilbert Will Stop Talking About Return To Monkey Island On His Blog​


https://www.eurogamer.net/return-to...no-longer-talk-about-the-game-following-abuse

Return to Monkey Island creator will no longer talk about the game following abuse​


https://www.gamesradar.com/au/retur...ing-to-talk-about-the-game-due-to-toxic-fans/

Return to Monkey Island dev is refusing to talk about the game due to toxic "fans"​


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/es...te-over-fan-harassment/ar-AAZ2gpa?li=BB15ms5q

Return to Monkey Island creator deletes website over fan harassment​


He didn't delete his website, he shut down posting of new comments.

I'd be curious to see the "abuse" and "harassment" but Ron says he deleted those posts. It sounds like those were actually contentious replies between commenters and not directed at Ron or the team.

Oh well, doesn't matter. Gamergate clearly organized a harassment campaign against Return to Monkey Island because the trailer has a strong black woman and anyone who doesn't like the art style is racist, toxic, misogynist, stupid, Nazi, anti-SJW, and most importantly retro-fascist.

feedback = harassment
dislike = abuse
opinions = toxic

Works every time.
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Based. Now if we can get him to stop posting online altogether and leave video gaming for good.
 
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absolutely not a fan of the geometric shaped artstyle.. the fuck is that.

Pretty disappointing from a big MI fan.
I mean MI 3 had really great artstyle, I love it. Wish they would make it like that again.

I have fond fond memories of playing MI 1+2+3 as a kid, why do you have to trash that? Have I fucked your sister or your mother? fuck you.

As a sidenote: Were any of the newer MI games actually good? the series one and that latest one.
Yeah, that old fuck seems to intentionally destroy the good memories. Why is this happening everywhere, with every great and beloved series in TV and games from the 80ies and 90ies? Is it a conspiracy? It's like with the damn iconoclasts during reformation times, smashing and destroying every piece of great art "for the glory of God". Or like the fucking bolsheviks, trying to annihilate every last sign of higher bourgeoise culture.

Concerning newer MI games: I have to admit I never got over the atrocious artstyle of the Telltale games. In my opinion it looks almost equally disgusting as this Art Brut shit decrepid Ron is trying to shove down our throats with his newest game. According to many accounts they seem to be in order gameplay- and storywise though. I don't know. For me there was always and there will always only be 1-3.
 

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I think Ron was probably trying to back away from the defined (punchable) features of CoMI to something a bit more impressionistic without doing pixel art - oh well. Guybrush has been horrifying in every style since MI2. It looks like they've toned down the smugness. Backgrounds bug me more. Nary a swirly cloud in sight, at least.
Art style decisions have essentially been contentious since Curse. I just don't like this new one.

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Making me look at that makes me realize the real tragedy of all this, and that is that Gilbert has gone faggot.

Gilbert of old would just shrug it off and take the piss, much like he did with Guybrush's Goatee beard design in MI2. The whole series was built on not taking itself seriously.

Yet here the wet whelp is crying about harsh words, awwww diddums. And this is the man who gave us insult sword fighting?

He must have ripped these ideas from some other dev, because if he'd have invented them himself and got the philosophy behind them he'd be a far more based bloke.
 

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absolutely not a fan of the geometric shaped artstyle.. the fuck is that.

Pretty disappointing from a big MI fan.
I mean MI 3 had really great artstyle, I love it. Wish they would make it like that again.

I have fond fond memories of playing MI 1+2+3 as a kid, why do you have to trash that? Have I fucked your sister or your mother? fuck you.

As a sidenote: Were any of the newer MI games actually good? the series one and that latest one.
Yeah, that old fuck seems to intentionally destroy the good memories. Why is this happening everywhere, with every great and beloved series in TV and games from the 80ies and 90ies? Is it a conspiracy? It's like with the damn iconoclasts during reformation times, smashing and destroying every piece of great art "for the glory of God". Or like the fucking bolsheviks, trying to annihilate every last sign of higher bourgeoise culture.

Concerning newer MI games: I have to admit I never got over the atrocious artstyle of the Telltale games. In my opinion it looks almost equally disgusting as this Art Brut shit decrepid Ron is trying to shove down our throats with his newest game. According to many accounts they seem to be in order gameplay- and storywise though. I don't know. For me there was always and there will always only be 1-3.
funny thing is that many fan projects tried to mimic the first 3 games, yet these dudes chose the worst artstyle ever for an adventure game! and their response would be: "yeah, MI never had a standard artstyle" what a bs, with this reasoning you choose the WORST?
even tho that statement is not even true, MI had only 1 style: 2d hand-animated style (real 2d), from 1 to 3. EMI is not even counted, tho it surely is better than the trashy telltale's series.
one of the nicest projects that tried to catch COMI style is: ((A Playwright’s Tale/ The Journey of Iesir)) it's been cancelled but look how cool a fan project can get without a budget. while those new fan-bois whining about how hard it is to make a hand animated game now, and that it requires lots of work.
 

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Good job, retro-fascists. You ruined everyone's fun!

https://kotaku.com/return-monkey-island-ron-gilbert-art-style-angry-fans-1849128586

Monkey Island Creator Ron Gilbert Has Joy Sapped From Sequel Thanks To Awful People​


https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/30/23189707/ron-gilbert-return-to-monkey-island-online-abuse

Ron Gilbert won’t post about the new Monkey Island anymore following online abuse​


https://www.ign.com/articles/return-to-monkey-island-director-online-abuse

Return to Monkey Island Director Will No Longer Post About the Game Due to Online Abuse​


https://www.polygon.com/23189602/re...on-gilbert-art-style-guybrush-threepwood-blog

Ron Gilbert won’t share any more about Return to Monkey Island after art style complaints​


https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ro...to-talk-about-return-to-monkey-island-anymore

Ron Gilbert doesn’t want to talk about Return To Monkey Island anymore​


https://www.gamespot.com/articles/h...rn-to-monkey-island-on-his-blog/1100-6505006/

Harassment Means Ron Gilbert Will Stop Talking About Return To Monkey Island On His Blog​


https://www.eurogamer.net/return-to...no-longer-talk-about-the-game-following-abuse

Return to Monkey Island creator will no longer talk about the game following abuse​


https://www.gamesradar.com/au/retur...ing-to-talk-about-the-game-due-to-toxic-fans/

Return to Monkey Island dev is refusing to talk about the game due to toxic "fans"​


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/es...te-over-fan-harassment/ar-AAZ2gpa?li=BB15ms5q

Return to Monkey Island creator deletes website over fan harassment​

Now this gives me huge GamerGate-vibes, which obviously infers further behind-the-scenes shenanigans.

I've decided that I'm not gonna touch this game, and that's a damn shame. Because everyone (see above) are hung up on just the graphics - we haven't gotten to the music, the voice-acting, the plot, the writing or even the actual gameplay... and yet look at all the vitriol and hate being thrown back and forth. The game could score out-of-the-park ratings on all of these aspects, and it still wouldn't put down the shitstorm that's been unleashed.

The only thing all this accomplishes is destroying a legacy, and the man associated with it... by his own hands.
 

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Good job, retro-fascists. You ruined everyone's fun!

https://kotaku.com/return-monkey-island-ron-gilbert-art-style-angry-fans-1849128586

Monkey Island Creator Ron Gilbert Has Joy Sapped From Sequel Thanks To Awful People​


https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/30/23189707/ron-gilbert-return-to-monkey-island-online-abuse

Ron Gilbert won’t post about the new Monkey Island anymore following online abuse​


https://www.ign.com/articles/return-to-monkey-island-director-online-abuse

Return to Monkey Island Director Will No Longer Post About the Game Due to Online Abuse​


https://www.polygon.com/23189602/re...on-gilbert-art-style-guybrush-threepwood-blog

Ron Gilbert won’t share any more about Return to Monkey Island after art style complaints​


https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ro...to-talk-about-return-to-monkey-island-anymore

Ron Gilbert doesn’t want to talk about Return To Monkey Island anymore​


https://www.gamespot.com/articles/h...rn-to-monkey-island-on-his-blog/1100-6505006/

Harassment Means Ron Gilbert Will Stop Talking About Return To Monkey Island On His Blog​


https://www.eurogamer.net/return-to...no-longer-talk-about-the-game-following-abuse

Return to Monkey Island creator will no longer talk about the game following abuse​


https://www.gamesradar.com/au/retur...ing-to-talk-about-the-game-due-to-toxic-fans/

Return to Monkey Island dev is refusing to talk about the game due to toxic "fans"​


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/es...te-over-fan-harassment/ar-AAZ2gpa?li=BB15ms5q

Return to Monkey Island creator deletes website over fan harassment​

Now this gives me huge GamerGate-vibes, which obviously infers further behind-the-scenes shenanigans.

I've decided that I'm not gonna touch this game, and that's a damn shame. Because everyone (see above) are hung up on just the graphics - we haven't gotten to the music, the voice-acting, the plot, the writing or even the actual gameplay... and yet look at all the vitriol and hate being thrown back and forth. The game could score out-of-the-park ratings on all of these aspects, and it still wouldn't put down the shitstorm that's been unleashed.

The only thing all this accomplishes is destroying a legacy, and the man associated with it... by his own hands.

Just look at who owns LucasArts and the Monkey Island IP to see why there is such a shill campaign with "entertainment news" sites....
 

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Yeah, that old fuck seems to intentionally destroy the good memories. Why is this happening everywhere, with every great and beloved series in TV and games from the 80ies and 90ies? Is it a conspiracy? It's like with the damn iconoclasts during reformation times, smashing and destroying every piece of great art "for the glory of God". Or like the fucking bolsheviks, trying to annihilate every last sign of higher bourgeoise culture.
The feeling is that it's being done to gradually re-program by association people's memories of the 'good old times', so that they don't seem anymore to have been that 'good', and the comparison with the shit that is going on nowadays is less stark.
 
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Good job, retro-fascists. You ruined everyone's fun!

https://kotaku.com/return-monkey-island-ron-gilbert-art-style-angry-fans-1849128586

Monkey Island Creator Ron Gilbert Has Joy Sapped From Sequel Thanks To Awful People​


https://www.theverge.com/2022/6/30/23189707/ron-gilbert-return-to-monkey-island-online-abuse

Ron Gilbert won’t post about the new Monkey Island anymore following online abuse​


https://www.ign.com/articles/return-to-monkey-island-director-online-abuse

Return to Monkey Island Director Will No Longer Post About the Game Due to Online Abuse​


https://www.polygon.com/23189602/re...on-gilbert-art-style-guybrush-threepwood-blog

Ron Gilbert won’t share any more about Return to Monkey Island after art style complaints​


https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/ro...to-talk-about-return-to-monkey-island-anymore

Ron Gilbert doesn’t want to talk about Return To Monkey Island anymore​


https://www.gamespot.com/articles/h...rn-to-monkey-island-on-his-blog/1100-6505006/

Harassment Means Ron Gilbert Will Stop Talking About Return To Monkey Island On His Blog​


https://www.eurogamer.net/return-to...no-longer-talk-about-the-game-following-abuse

Return to Monkey Island creator will no longer talk about the game following abuse​


https://www.gamesradar.com/au/retur...ing-to-talk-about-the-game-due-to-toxic-fans/

Return to Monkey Island dev is refusing to talk about the game due to toxic "fans"​


https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/es...te-over-fan-harassment/ar-AAZ2gpa?li=BB15ms5q

Return to Monkey Island creator deletes website over fan harassment​

https://rpgcodex.net/

Return to Monkey Island creator won't deal with reality. Turns out to be a massive faggot.​

 
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absolutely not a fan of the geometric shaped artstyle.. the fuck is that.

Pretty disappointing from a big MI fan.
I mean MI 3 had really great artstyle, I love it. Wish they would make it like that again.

I have fond fond memories of playing MI 1+2+3 as a kid, why do you have to trash that? Have I fucked your sister or your mother? fuck you.

As a sidenote: Were any of the newer MI games actually good? the series one and that latest one.
Yeah, that old fuck seems to intentionally destroy the good memories. Why is this happening everywhere, with every great and beloved series in TV and games from the 80ies and 90ies? Is it a conspiracy? It's like with the damn iconoclasts during reformation times, smashing and destroying every piece of great art "for the glory of God". Or like the fucking bolsheviks, trying to annihilate every last sign of higher bourgeoise culture.

Concerning newer MI games: I have to admit I never got over the atrocious artstyle of the Telltale games. In my opinion it looks almost equally disgusting as this Art Brut shit decrepid Ron is trying to shove down our throats with his newest game. According to many accounts they seem to be in order gameplay- and storywise though. I don't know. For me there was always and there will always only be 1-3.
funny thing is that many fan projects tried to mimic the first 3 games, yet these dudes chose the worst artstyle ever for an adventure game! and their response would be: "yeah, MI never had a standard artstyle" what a bs, with this reasoning you choose the WORST?
even tho that statement is not even true, MI had only 1 style: 2d hand-animated style (real 2d), from 1 to 3. EMI is not even counted, tho it surely is better than the trashy telltale's series.
one of the nicest projects that tried to catch COMI style is: ((A Playwright’s Tale/ The Journey of Iesir)) it's been cancelled but look how cool a fan project can get without a budget. while those new fan-bois whining about how hard it is to make a hand animated game now, and that it requires lots of work.
Absolutely, The Journey of Iesir is a worthy heir of the COMI style. Never have I seen better and more detailed comic style graphics than in this game (or demo or whatever). I still mourn the fact that it got cancelled. But what they managed to finish shoud definitively be played by any connoisseur of this artstyle. That game took it even so far to include one puzzle where you had to look closely to the most minute changes in facial expressions of characters. It's absolutely astonishing how detailed they created these graphics. A masterpiece in aesthetics.
 
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(Premise: I have zero experience in art whatsoever)

It looks like instead of a stylized approach in the sense of progressively refining things into the essential, they went the other way around: start with cheapo primitive stuff a la South Park, and then overload it with equally primitive clutter to give the illusion of 'detail'.
 

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Actually, I wish the game had easily readable art like in the "corporate" examples in the video. My main problem isn't even with the style (although I strongly dislike it), but with the readability as others have pointed out. It's just too busy, and you cannot easily see what's supposed to be the foreground and the background.

Many of the "corporate" art presented in the video is quite nice I think, I don't have any problems with it. Minimal, easily readable, to the point. In fact, I quite like it, and I'm also very fond of art deco and other earlier art styles presented in the video. It's just a trend anyway, and many non-corporate websites feature similar minimalist design, e.g. just look at the Firefox homepage.

Btw, there are some informative comments from artists, then a good portion of the rest would be worthy of a few psychological studies on projection... (as it's usually the case)
 

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