Baldur's Gate Baldur's Gate 3 Early Access Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Takamori]

I wish we would finally switch the subject, but so many new members seem to be excited by bestiality, we'll need a week for passions to cool down.

I wanted to discuss the extent of the damage of free multiclass to the game encounters and the obvious elephant in the room free respecs. But motherfucker is having an obsessive tantrum over gay bear sex.
We all went through this shit in the 90s already oh video games cause violence etc? People love repeats with different packages.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

I wish we would finally switch the subject, but so many new members seem to be excited by bestiality, we'll need a week for passions to cool down.

I wanted to discuss the extent of the damage of free multiclass to the game encounters and the obvious elephant in the room free respecs. But motherfuckers is having an obsessive tantrum over gay bear sex.
We all went through this shit in the 90s already oh video games cause violence etc? People love repeats with different packages.

Games-life relation is importat topic.

Besides, to fiarly judge mechanic you need to play in game first.

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

Old rpgs allowed you to bet your anus in armwrestling match with a supermutant, flirt with rotting corpses, become a pornstar with your own name and suffocate children with cigarette smoke. While masses preached that these game are made by the devil.

Now we have these fake-ass “old school rpg niggas” protesting optional “unnecessary” violence and degeneracy because it offends their worldview. What a decline.

It's the 2016 effect.

 

[La vie sexuelle]

https://www.thegamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-bear-druid-wild-shape-romance/

I know I’m the weird one for getting bent out of shape about a bear sex scene that I’m never going to play myself anyway, but it’s the latest symptom in our culture leaning away from emotional impact. Everything is detached and ironic, everything is a joke. I don’t want to have sex with a bear. But it doesn’t seem like Baldur’s Gate 3 really wants to either, so why is it even in there?

Serious romance with bear:

- I love you!
- Awrrrr! [strike into Astarion head]

 

[Takamori]

I wish we would finally switch the subject, but so many new members seem to be excited by bestiality, we'll need a week for passions to cool down.

I wanted to discuss the extent of the damage of free multiclass to the game encounters and the obvious elephant in the room free respecs. But motherfuckers is having an obsessive tantrum over gay bear sex.
We all went through this shit in the 90s already oh video games cause violence etc? People love repeats with different packages.

Games-life relation is importat topic.

Besides, to fiarly judge mechanic you need to play in game first.

Some stuff you dont need to play to know if is flawed. Its all about knowing the applied math behind the presentation.
Also you already have access to the game formula given the 5e ruleset, you just add the homebrew ruleset and see what will happen to your character so to counter such power bloat they are gonna make hp pools massive because if they keep the regular monster hp from the books even with advanced AI or bullshit positioning, your character can still figure out the puzzle with a one tap and there won't be much to be challenged with.

And the free respecs one can argue that incentive experimentation but at the same time makes the experience cheap where you don't solve the encounter with your choices.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Old rpgs allowed you to bet your anus in armwrestling match with a supermutant, flirt with rotting corpses, become a pornstar with your own name and suffocate children with cigarette smoke. While masses preached that these game are made by the devil.

Now we have these fake-ass “old school rpg niggas” protesting optional “unnecessary” violence and degeneracy because it offends their worldview. What a decline.

The difference, you disgusting degenerate, is that nobody was celebrating it back then. The same people that are insisting that women have small flappy titties, square jaws and hair on their legs, are the same people writing articles celebrating the bear scene, the pegging, and the blacks in rpgs. And here you and your ilk are, celebreating with them. Go get fucked by a bear while some butch looking square jawed shebeast shits on your chest. Hahaha just like back in the old days right? The old days weren't this in your face with their shit. Its everywhere, and you love it.

 

[Takamori]

Ye olden days:

 

[La vie sexuelle]

I wish we would finally switch the subject, but so many new members seem to be excited by bestiality, we'll need a week for passions to cool down.

I wanted to discuss the extent of the damage of free multiclass to the game encounters and the obvious elephant in the room free respecs. But motherfuckers is having an obsessive tantrum over gay bear sex.
We all went through this shit in the 90s already oh video games cause violence etc? People love repeats with different packages.

Games-life relation is importat topic.

Besides, to fiarly judge mechanic you need to play in game first.

Some stuff you dont need to play to know if is flawed. Its all about knowing the applied math behind the presentation.
Also you already have access to the game formula given the 5e ruleset, you just add the homebrew ruleset and see what will happen to your character so to counter such power bloat they are gonna make hp pools massive because if they keep the regular monster hp from the books even with advanced AI or bullshit positioning, your character can still figure out the puzzle with a one tap and there won't be much to be challenged with.

And the free respecs one can argue that incentive experimentation but at the same time makes the experience cheap where you don't solve the encounter with your choices.

Fail is not inevitable. Every RPG mechanic could be improved (or broke). We need to wait for all balance attempts in full game.

 

[Elthosian]

I wish we would finally switch the subject, but so many new members seem to be excited by bestiality, we'll need a week for passions to cool down.

I wanted to discuss the extent of the damage of free multiclass to the game encounters and the obvious elephant in the room free respecs. But motherfuckers is having an obsessive tantrum over gay bear sex.
We all went through this shit in the 90s already oh video games cause violence etc? People love repeats with different packages.

Had been a long time since I had seen that many snowflakes bitch about irrelevant stuff, practically begging for safe spaces and trigger warnings because real life is unbearable. Well, actually, not that long: last month we had the idiots at ¿Resetera? ranting about FFXVI not being diverse enough.

 

[Late Bloomer]

Had been a long time since I had seen that many snowflakes bitch about irrelevant stuff, practically begging for safe spaces and trigger warnings because real life is unbearable. Well, actually, not that long: last month we had the idiots at ¿Resetera? ranting about FFXVI not being diverse enough.

You mean like this guy wanting a safe space?

true, DU should have stopped to let anyone in after 2015

 

[Takamori]

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I'm not against experimentation but this I'd call reinventing the wheel, if they wanted to actually try something would make a hybrid system between 3.5 and 5e. Given their reasoning behind is that 5e lacks customization and I agree wholeheartedly with Larian here. But just unlock Multiclass feels like a cheap and quick solution while IMO the best outcome would apply Feat progression from 3.5 and add a new pool of feats without Ivory Tower design behind that would help give identity to your character.
Maybe prestige classes mixing concepts like armored hulk a Barbarian that wears heavy armor

 

[Cat Headed Eagle]

https://www.thegamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-bear-druid-wild-shape-romance/

I know I’m the weird one for getting bent out of shape about a bear sex scene that I’m never going to play myself anyway, but it’s the latest symptom in our culture leaning away from emotional impact. Everything is detached and ironic, everything is a joke. I don’t want to have sex with a bear. But it doesn’t seem like Baldur’s Gate 3 really wants to either, so why is it even in there?

Serious romance with bear:

- I love you!
- Awrrrr! [strike into Astarion head]

Even these kind of people are getting tired of this. It's not really an rpg thing. I think people are getting generally tired of the Whedonisms that have been present ever since Whedon himself took charge of mainstream american media. Consider it part of the general push against the MCU that has been slowly but surely taking form across many media outlets.

 

[Gradenmayer]

Old rpgs allowed you to bet your anus in armwrestling match with a supermutant, flirt with rotting corpses, become a pornstar with your own name and suffocate children with cigarette smoke. While masses preached that these game are made by the devil.

Now we have these fake-ass “old school rpg niggas” protesting optional “unnecessary” violence and degeneracy because it offends their worldview. What a decline.

The difference, you disgusting degenerate, is that nobody was celebrating it back then. The same people that are insisting that women have small flappy titties, square jaws and hair on their legs, are the same people writing articles celebrating the bear scene, the pegging, and the blacks in rpgs. And here you and your ilk are, celebreating with them. Go get fucked by a bear while some butch looking square jawed shebeast shits on your chest. Hahaha just like back in the old days right? The old days weren't this in your face with their shit. Its everywhere, and you love it.

They were celebrated though? People would run competitions on the most stylish ways to kill a child in Deus Ex.

And they were even more in your face with it, because you didn’t have 4 separate options to pussy out of a sex with ugly wenches.

Don’t talk as if you were more than a sperm in your dad’s ballsack back then, little safe-space needing snowflake-ass bitch.

 

[Elthosian]

Had been a long time since I had seen that many snowflakes bitch about irrelevant stuff, practically begging for safe spaces and trigger warnings because real life is unbearable. Well, actually, not that long: last month we had the idiots at ¿Resetera? ranting about FFXVI not being diverse enough.

You mean like this guy wanting a safe space?

true, DU should have stopped to let anyone in after 2015

Are you retarded enough to interpret "that guy wants a safe space" from a comeback joke about a recently registered user rambling about gatekeeping? Or maybe I'm retarded and don't get your meta-joke. Anyway, have a parrot.

 

[Takamori]

I wish we would finally switch the subject, but so many new members seem to be excited by bestiality, we'll need a week for passions to cool down.

I wanted to discuss the extent of the damage of free multiclass to the game encounters and the obvious elephant in the room free respecs. But motherfuckers is having an obsessive tantrum over gay bear sex.
We all went through this shit in the 90s already oh video games cause violence etc? People love repeats with different packages.

Had been a long time since I had seen that many snowflakes bitch about irrelevant stuff, practically begging for safe spaces and trigger warnings because real life is unbearable. Well, actually, not that long: last month we had the idiots at ¿Resetera? ranting about FFXVI not being diverse enough.

Education felt apart that people are behaving like fucking impressionable medieval peasants that yells sorcery witch at anything, they just change the buzzwords to this is racist, nazi , communist, degenerate and so on.

 

[BrotherFrank]

Let's try and focus on the positives here: There hasn't been any sign of pedophilia (as a joke of course, haha).

Yet.

 

[Takamori]

Let's try and focus on the positives here: There hasn't been any sign of pedophilia (as a joke of course, haha).

Yet.

The halfling fella on that other thread just made sure that wouldn't even be considered

 

[Elthosian]

Old rpgs allowed you to bet your anus in armwrestling match with a supermutant, flirt with rotting corpses, become a pornstar with your own name and suffocate children with cigarette smoke. While masses preached that these game are made by the devil.

Now we have these fake-ass “old school rpg niggas” protesting optional “unnecessary” violence and degeneracy because it offends their worldview. What a decline.

The difference, you disgusting degenerate, is that nobody was celebrating it back then. The same people that are insisting that women have small flappy titties, square jaws and hair on their legs, are the same people writing articles celebrating the bear scene, the pegging, and the blacks in rpgs. And here you and your ilk are, celebreating with them. Go get fucked by a bear while some butch looking square jawed shebeast shits on your chest. Hahaha just like back in the old days right? The old days weren't this in your face with their shit. Its everywhere, and you love it.

They were celebrated though? People would run competitions on the most stylish ways to kill a child in Deus Ex.

And they were even more in your face with it, because you didn’t have 4 separate options to pussy out of a sex with ugly wenches.

Don’t talk as if you were more than a sperm in your dad’s ballsack back then, little safe-space needing snowflake-ass bitch.

Can't be bothered to filter for results older than this, but even in 2010 we had people making guides about the myriad of weird sex encounters you could have in Fallout 2:

https://www.alteredgamer.com/fallout-2/86482-sexual-encounters-guide/

And of course, people here used to complain about not being able to kill children in a lot of the post-2000s RPGs, including Fallout 3:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/watch-me-play-a-shitty-game-fallout-3-completed.34530/page-29

That's not to create a strawman conflating both positions, but to claim that RPG players didn't thrive in degeneracy before is pretty disingenuous.

 

[Kiste]

Can't be bothered to filter for results older than this, but even in 2010 we had people making guides about the myriad of weird sex encounters you could have in Fallout 2:

https://www.alteredgamer.com/fallout-2/86482-sexual-encounters-guide/

And of course, people here used to complain about not being able to kill children in a lot of the post-2000s RPGs, including Fallout 3:

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/watch-me-play-a-shitty-game-fallout-3-completed.34530/page-29

That's not to create a strawman conflating both positions, but to claim that RPG players didn't thrive in degeneracy before is pretty disingenuous.

That was a different time, though. That was before people listen to Jordan Peterson lectures on YouTube and became cleansed in the fires of his Jungian psychobabble. Now they're cleaning up their rooms and are fully opposed to any form of degeneracy. It's a new world, you see?

 

[Abu Antar]

Should I go pure monk or multiclass?

 

[d1r]

Should I go pure monk or multiclass?

Pure monk ofc.

 

[Pizzashoes]

Monks are cringe. The only way to sufficiently dilute the class is to pair them with other classes like how in Kingmaker, you take them for increased AC. Your fists aren't lethal weapons, you're just delusional.

 

[Fedora Master]

Monks are cringe. The only way to sufficiently dilute the class is to pair them with other classes like how in Kingmaker, you take them for increased AC. Your fists aren't lethal weapons, you're just delusional.

 

[Kiste]

Monks are cringe. The only way to sufficiently dilute the class is to pair them with other classes like how in Kingmaker, you take them for increased AC. Your fists aren't lethal weapons, you're just delusional.

I think Larian have buffed the class somewhat compared to 5e RAW. We'll have to see how the class stacks up in BG3.

 

[Elthosian]

A big sign of the faggification of d&d(and this game) is that seemingly every recruitable npc in this is "hawt" and "romanceable"- with the exception of maybe Minsc.

Probably the biggest reason why there isn't a single recruitable Gnome, Dwarf or Halfling btw. Those are races unused by this trope.

Moving onto more interesting stuff, this is one of the topics where the cultural war bullshit has made it so that you can't make everybody happy:

- Make hot females: you get people bitching about objectification and what-not, as well as a few criticizing it for cheapening the experience - don't be surprised if people end up bitching about having a tits slider (?) in this.
- Make them rugged: you get people bitching about how SJWs have destroyed beauty in videogames - again, if they had introduced a romanceable dwarf instead of Minthara or Karlach more people would bitch about not having enough hawt human romance options in a fantasy game... unless it was a big titty dwarf, maybe

We went through this some time ago when Larian decided to remove the bikini armor from D:OS.

And a similar thing happens with romances and party member interactions, with some people getting triggered about NPCs acting all uppity and others ranting about Larian including an insta-friendz button for Shadowheart. A really dumb "give me my power-fantasy" vs. "stop pandering to the player" situation, which could be solved with more comprehensive difficulty settings.