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CD Projekt's Cyberpunk 2077 Update 2.0 + Phantom Liberty Expansion Thread

Haplo

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Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire
This loot system reminds me of The Outer Worlds.
You have the same weapons, ranged and melee, and they go through various, increasing tiers. TOW also had this problem but instead of Common, Uncommon, Rare, Epic, Legendary ranks, it had Mk.1, Mk.2, Mk.3 etc.

Yeah, but here the scaling is two-fold: the level scaling AND Rarity rating. Real weird shit (well, maybe not so weird in Diablo-clones). Also decline.

Still, I maintain that I prefer mass produced guns to have multiple of each, with varying stats, then having hundreds of useless legendary swords, ala Witcher 2 & 3.
 

RobotSquirrel

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So the game has dynamic array
Well do we know that it does? because dynamic arrays normally don't end up with stack segmentation violations if they're implemented properly.
I mean I'm going entirely on hypothetical. But either way what ever they used to implement the inventory isn't working well because of that constant flickering that occurs when you move items around. So I mean I wouldn't put it past them that they rushed it and accidentally implemented a fixed array somewhere that they shouldn't have. It's possible that the players own inventory is dynamic but the apartment storage is fixed array. I mean either way its a problem but its fun to think about what the hell actually went wrong here.
 

Bliblablubb

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Serves players right for spending hours crafting/disassembling items instead of playing the game the way CDPR wants you to.
No fun allowed! :obviously:
 
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Strap Yourselves In Codex Year of the Donut Codex+ Now Streaming!
Is there any reason why food texture is so horrible in every damm game? Jesus christ, food looks like a cardboard.
I guess it really depends what kind of cuisine devs are familiar enough with. For example, potatoes are rather well rendered in this game.

I think even the setting in general would have benefited if the devs stuck to what they know, here is a possible plot outline:


You are W, an up and coming merc who raised up from the dirty streets of Neo-Intermarium, a free confederation consisting of the states that seceded from the EU after the Dissolution War of 2038 and the remnant of the western Ukraine that survived the annexation attempt by the New Russian Empire.

After many adventures that culminated in a daring infiltration of the European Commission HQ in Berlaymont Fortress, which saw you having your Ripper doc temporarily change your skin colour to black (no white people are allowed to EU anymore), traveling to Libya, making a deal with the local slavers and getting aboard of one of the official EU Diversity Boats before making your way through the brutal ghettos once known as Rome and Paris to the very heart of Brussels D.C. itself, you now know the true.

Neo-Intermarium is in fact ruled by an engram of Lech Kaczynski who the current president believes to be an incarnation of Virgin Mary herself. Now it is time to make a decision: will you go along with the plan presented by Jana, an evil corporate bitch operating from Prague, that wants you to hack Kaczynski´s engram to make it order legalisation of abortions? Will you instead side with Małgorzata, a beautiful traditionalist leader of a nomad clan out of Białystok, who promised to support you after you helped her save her clan from the rampaging Rad-Gopniks from the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone? All she wants is to preserve Neo-Intermarium´s independence and adherence to the True Catholic Church that formed in the Eastern Europe after the local clergy declared pope Francis a heretic in 2022. Or will you agree to work with the Tzar Vladimir III to unify the Slavs once and for all before launching and all out war on the despicable EU?

Of course there is the matter of your own personal problem too – Voloda the Silvertooth, the legendary Hardbass DJ who disappeared decades ago now lives inside of your head, his engram was carried into your brain by nanites hidden in a bottle of Kvass you were supposed to steal at the start of your adventure but ended up drinking it yourself.

Whatever you do, the world will never be the same.
 

TheHeroOfTime

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This is a weird game. It has a bunch of issues here and there, but it's oddly satisfying to play. Mixing up between doing sidequests, then roaming the city at night completing the blue stuff, then going for the main campaign a little bit...
 

Fenix

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You can the problem is that its in poor taste when something bad happens and your immediate thought is "how to I make money from this" which is exactly what Gibson did and he even admits it when talking about why the story changed.

You can but he did it wrong? There is not way to did it rigth, or it is always rigth.
 
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Silverhand is a irredeemable narcissist, the only reason he becomes less so is because of the commingling of his brain with the less-of-an-asshole V. And even with that he only shifts his value from HARDCORE EDGY ROCKERBOY to selfless martyr hero
If he takes over V's body the chip'll probably continue the overwrite and return him to his asshole ways, the way he was when he was engramed.

Nah, it's just a typical character development arc.

- The
Mikoshi
ending is actually the most hopeful ending (I also haven't played this ending yet tho so).

How so? The "best" ending is clearly Panam/Nomads, with V back in his body going through Arizona for a cure, with everyone pretty much taking it for granted. In the end credits Misty also pulls out a "Sun" tarot for V, basically confirming the "happily ever after" etc ending for him.

Whereas for Arasaka all you manage is to bring back Saburo, who is basically an equivalent of Soros, and helping Arasaka complete Secure Your Soul project, who then bar it behind an astronomical price tag, basically ensuring that the corrupt elites live forever. This ending is literally named "Devil" lmao.

- I literally don't understand what Rogue saw in Johnny, I do not get it. Maybe he had a silver schlong too.

He's an apex alpha male and an ultimate irreparable, literal Rocker badboy obviously. Even the game mentions it explicitly in his retrospections. The fact he doesn't "respect womyn" is enough in the grim future lmao.

From what I've seen from an English VO, Keanu's voice doesn't communicate it well at all, or at least as good as Michal Zebrowski does in the Best language.

- If they canonize
it's probably gonna be V volunarily giving the body to Johnny which SUCKS ASS (and not in a good way)

Looking at the Witchers, they didn't canonize anything that was up to player's choices, so if we get Cyberpunk 2087 or whatever they'll likely just work around it, or skip Keanu's cost entirely.
 

Xeon

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Gibson played the game or is he just shitting on the game just because. I remember him shitting on the game even during the first gameplay showcase iirc as well.
 

RobotSquirrel

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Players were exceeding the 8MB stack limit.

So the game crashed during saving due to a stack overflow? You can verify this by changing stack size limits with editbin to avoid making spurious claims.

I'll hand you this that I'm completely wrong because I just checked the official forums and its stated the corruption occurs under the 8MB limit. Changing the stack did nothing on my end based on what you suggested so I'll give you a point there I'm sorry I didn't check first before I made that point. I was going on a hunch and I'm tired from working on my game all day and I come here to wind down but anyway I noticed other people on the official forums were wrong about their hunches as well. It'd be nice to know what the problem was and how they fixed it but we all know CDPR will probably never tell us. The PS4 version tops out at 12MBs so you're right and I'm wrong.

Fully agree with Mr. Gibson on this one.
I do too actually lol. Its rare that I agree with him, but yeah Cyberpunk is an average game and wasted potential.
 

Twiglard

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Strap Yourselves In Codex Year of the Donut
At least it's not an alloca caller getting inlined. I hate when it happens.
 

hivemind

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How so? The "best" ending is clearly Panam/Nomads, with V back in his body going through Arizona for a cure, with everyone pretty much taking it for granted. In the end credits Misty also pulls out a "Sun" tarot for V, basically confirming the "happily ever after" etc ending for him.

Whereas for Arasaka all you manage is to bring back Saburo, who is basically an equivalent of Soros, and helping Arasaka complete Secure Your Soul project, who then bar it behind an astronomical price tag, basically ensuring that the corrupt elites live forever. This ending is literally named "Devil" lmao.
Doesn't that feel like a huge cop out tho?

Oh btw you get to live happily ever after because of some strange mystery in arizona even tho the best scientists on earth can't make a dent in the problem?

It just doesn't feel right and purely as feelgood fanservice
 

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This is a weird game. It has a bunch of issues here and there, but it's oddly satisfying to play. Mixing up between doing sidequests, then roaming the city at night completing the blue stuff, then going for the main campaign a little bit...
Best way to play is to just forget the map, select a spot on the map and just go exploring, going from point of interest into point of interest is a fast way to get bored, besides, there are legendary crafting specs spread through the whole map on hidden locations.
 

Perkel

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Doesn't that feel like a huge cop out tho?

Oh btw you get to live happily ever after because of some strange mystery in arizona even tho the best scientists on earth can't make a dent in the problem?

It just doesn't feel right and purely as feelgood fanservice

pretty sure they just "hope so", so no 6 months left with some drugs maybe tiny bit more.

And it is not "feels good" fanservice but legit choice imho. I did it not because of panam pussy but because this choice represents position where living life is more important than trying not die to fast. Or dying with honor not like rat in cornet forgotten.

Also it felt great as Nomad. You lost your family, went to Night City to find yourself a new, never found it and it the end at the end of your life you actually found second family away from NC. Poetic. Especially with lines at the end overlooking the city.

The whole 77 is basically debate on existentialism without taking easy way out (religion) which is one of the strong points about it.
 

Fenix

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Is there any reason why food texture is so horrible in every damm game? Jesus christ, food looks like a cardboard.

This one is proibably intentiohnal lol. You know, to reinforce that lying greeny narrative about shortage of food, bread from worms and maggots and such.
 
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Tacgnol

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Doesn't that feel like a huge cop out tho?

Oh btw you get to live happily ever after because of some strange mystery in arizona even tho the best scientists on earth can't make a dent in the problem?

It just doesn't feel right and purely as feelgood fanservice

pretty sure they just "hope so", so no 6 months left with some drugs maybe tiny bit more.

And it is not "feels good" fanservice but legit choice imho. I did it not because of panam pussy but because this choice represents position where living life is more important than trying not die to fast. Or dying with honor not like rat in cornet forgotten.

Also it felt great as Nomad. You lost your family, went to Night City to find yourself a new, never did that and it the end at the end of your life you actually found second family. Poetic.

The whole 77 is basically debate on existentialism without taking easy way out (religion) which is one of the strong points about it.

My ending thoughts:
The Panam/Nomads ending felt quite open ended to me. Personally I felt it was more about V accepting his/her fate and living the best they could with their remaining time. V sounded quite uncertain I thought when Panam was talking about finding a cure, as if they were just humouring her.

I guess it's up to the player whether they want to believe V managed to find a cure, or lived the 6 months they had left in relative happiness with their romantic partner (or not).

Arguably the cyberspace ending is a more clear cut "happy" ending, because at least V's consciousness (or at least an approximation) would survive with Alt and a more matured Johnny gets to live as well.
 

hivemind

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Doesn't that feel like a huge cop out tho?

Oh btw you get to live happily ever after because of some strange mystery in arizona even tho the best scientists on earth can't make a dent in the problem?

It just doesn't feel right and purely as feelgood fanservice

pretty sure they just "hope so", so no 6 months left with some drugs maybe tiny bit more.

And it is not "feels good" fanservice but legit choice imho. I did it not because of panam pussy but because this choice represents position where living life is more important than trying not die to fast. Or dying with honor not like rat in cornet forgotten.

Also it felt great as Nomad. You lost your family, went to Night City to find yourself a new, never found it and it the end at the end of your life you actually found second family away from NC. Poetic. Especially with lines at the end overlooking the city.

The whole 77 is basically debate on existentialism without taking easy way out (religion) which is one of the strong points about it.
I don't mean the choice in general. I actually think the choice and the aesthetic of riding off into the sunset with your new family knowing you will die is actually really good.

It's adding the "oh btw we can solve this dying problem" is what feels like a cop-out
 

Renevent

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Okay just finished the game...took about 45 hours. Few thoughts:

1) Game, at least for me, was nowhere near as broken I keep hearing about. It ran smooth, looked amazing, and had no crashes. I had the game pretty much maxed out with raytracing on a 2080 with a 4 generation old i7 so imo that's pretty good. That said there are plenty of hilariously ridiculous glitches. Mostly around cars glitching out, guns disappearing from hands, and stuff like that. Didn't happen all the time but def was a constant throughout the entire playthrough.

2) The city, graphics, and overall atmosphere is a technical and artistic triumph. One of the coolest places I've visited in a video game and overall fun to explore.

3) They fucked up the item system...way too much shit. They should of focused on the player buying weapons/armor/cyber/etc and instead of picking up 1000's of items and selling/dismantling and had the player focus more on selling all that shit for eddies, and the player having to find different stores (maybe driven by clan association) where they would buy and upgrade shit at. The entire game is just finding shit on the ground and dismantling and equip-ing the hodge-podge of shit you find.

4) Combat and gunplay were fine, overall I enjoyed shooting things although it was all too easy imo. I barely died and the only real threat is explosions/mines which basically 1-hit the player. That said the guns were very cool and there's a impressive amount of them.

5) Skill system was just okay. There's some decent keystones that help define your build but overall I think it was weak. I never really specialized (crafting, handguns, shotguns, rifles, body) and even though I never took any of those to their limit I could kill just fine with any weapon even with difficult enemies towards the end of the game.

6) I mostly enjoyed the story, and they did a good job of getting the player to care about a few of them. Jackie is a bro and I ended up with Panam, which from what I've seen of the other love interests, is the clear choice. There's some annoyances, like the constant fucking onslaught of phone calls and some missteps as well.
For instance they did introduce Adam Smasher and it's cool you get to fight him at the end, but never really felt like he was part of the story so the eventual meeting was slightly ant-climatic. Also they took the whole "V's sick thing too far. Waaaaay too much of him crawling around coughing...get's grating eventually.

7) I eventually gave up bothering hacking stuff, the mini game get's extremely boring and the rewards are crap. They should have reduced the places to hack by orders of magnitude, made the hacking more involved (something similar to shadowrun on genesis), and the rewards far more interesting.

8) Side missions were okay...decent mix of different stuff to do. Some of the longer ones have flat out retarded rewards though.

7/10...although I think it could be a lot better with some updates.
 
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